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[AttackFormation]

black girls aren't exactly known for being the paragon of beauty, I mean a few girls like Rihanna being the welcome exceptions

As usual... there is the asterisk that it's as good as always FAKE when it comes to women guys rate as "beautiful", "hot", whether it's make up or/and (as in Rihanna's and other black celebrities') case, plastic surgery.

Don't let them bullsh!t you.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Here's my analysis.

While we all bash OLD on here for having low-quality women on it, my experience shows that OLD is just a reflection of the market in general. On OLD you will find the following:

- Single mothers
- Chicks with bad finances
- Fat chicks with attitude problems like a HB8
- Golddiggers
- Hot chicks with bad attitude problems
- Flakey chicks
- Serial dating chicks
- Chicks who give out their number, but disappear
- Straight up h0es

Guys I'm sorry, but this isn't just some OLD phenomenon, this is the MARKET of women in 2017 that are aged 21 - 45 (our dating age range).

With that being said, I never understand why OLD gets so much hate on here. With OLD, you are literally meeting the SAME local chicks that you would run into at the grocery store, the gym, the mall, the club, or whatever. These aren't chicks who were dropped from outer space or some shyt lol, these are chicks who stay RIGHT down the street from you!

Maybe you guys will come to realize what I realize, and that the market is fvcked. If there are super, duper, quality chicks on the market, they are most likely already married in MASS (they married their high school or undergrad sweetheart, which means they were never ON the fvcking market)....and the ones that remain are SO difficult to find it's like trying to find BigFoot.

So I think we need to adjust our criteria based on said marketplace. Really, really, think about your long term goals with this, not just short term. Really, really, think about it.

All the rest of them adapted to the dating game.

 

[BeTheChange]

Seriously. Why would a woman use OLD when she can find men just as attractive that are THOROUGHLY VETTED and therefore SAFE in her social circle?

Would also add group activities (although this may count as social circle, not sure)

Some of the women in my salsa class are ALOT more friendly towards me now I've been going for a few months and it's clear I'm not just some loser trying weakly trying to use a hobby to pull girls.

 

[Tenacity]

@Tenacity Dating 100s of women who all happen to be trash doesn't give you insight into the higher end of the market. Why is it that @guru1000 has such a different opinion on this than you do?

Just when you think you are out, somebody drags you right back in again

If I were to estimate, I met approx over 500 women in my life (approx 100 women per year during my single years; 80% OLD, 20% Conventional). Out of these women, under your criteria:

• Weight/looks issues, kids, bad finances, or personality/attitude/mental health related problems

Around 25% of these women (125+ women) I met, carried none of these issues.

Guru, assuming this is true, we must be dealing with different markets. You said you were white and a millionaire. Being a millionaire and being around Wallstreet, gives you access to a certain "network" that I don't (as of yet) have access to. Furthermore, being a good-looking WHITE MAN on OLD, is going to give you more access to decent WHITE/ASIAN women. The honest truth is that many white/asian women don't respond to black men on OLD.

Notwithstanding, the argument of this thread is not that the market is good or that most women are "quality," but rather not every woman is garbage.

I didn't say every woman was low quality, I said the ones that DIDN'T have one of the major issues I listed were no longer on the market....or the ones that are ON the market, don't "put themselves out there" to be found.

Those are the ones that are quality, they marry young within their social circle. Most normal young girls date within their social circle whether they use OLD for attention once in a while or not.

But I already said this. I said the vast majority of the quality women marry their high school or undergrad college sweathearts, and the ones that are still on the market are virtually impossible to find because she doesn't really PUT herself out to be found (like on OLD, like going to many social functions where you can meet her, etc., etc.)

Your argument attempting to defend your choice for dumpster diving on old is akin to some dude that lives in a dive bar surrounded by whatever trash chicks that go there and tells people why would I go anywhere else to meet chicks? Every chick on the planet goes to dive bars.

old is known for trash just like dive bars. trying to act as if because there are women who go to dive bars = all women go to dive bars= all women are trash = my justification for trying to pick up trash women in dive bars is laughable

Tenacity said it's a reflection of the market in general. I disagree. The pool of women out at bars and clubs is not a reflection of the pool of women in general. Neither is OLD.

Bros I just completely disagree. It hasn't been my experience.

Also I want you guys to ponder this...........can't we pretty much lump in Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and other social media as "ONLINE DATING" as well? Think about it, the dynamics aren't that much different, girls have a shyt ton of messages in their OKC/POF inbox and their Facebook Inboxes as well.

Then consider that of women age 21 - 45 (the women we are dating), at least 90% of them are on some sort of Social Media (Facebook) in some context.

 

[Tenacity]

Seriously. Why would a woman use OLD when she can find men just as attractive that are THOROUGHLY VETTED and therefore SAFE in her social circle?

Because from my experience and analysis, they are using OLD just like another Social Media channel. It's an extension of Facebook to them (which they are getting a shyt ton of messages in their inbox as well).

Understand, POF and OKC are FREE. I think the question would be: "Why would a woman use a paid dating service?" Well, the vast majority of women on POF and OKC are using the free subscription, not the paid one.

 

[MrAddiction]

But this just reflects that most dating in real life is terrible.. hence the large incidence of divorce. And how many of the couples still married are really happy I bet it's a very small percentage..

.... and that is why I think a girl marrying at a Young age does not proof her a quality girl as someone said above.

 

[MrAddiction]

These days, "getting a good woman" is just a matter of how much mental/emotional instability from a woman you are willing and able to deal with

Words of wisdom here!!

 

[MrAddiction]

Also I want you guys to ponder this...........can't we pretty much lump in Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and other social media as "ONLINE DATING" as well? Think about it, the dynamics aren't that much different, girls have a shyt ton of messages in their OKC/POF inbox and their Facebook Inboxes as well.

Then consider that of women age 21 - 45 (the women we are dating), at least 90% of them are on some sort of Social Media (Facebook) in some context.

And that is a big problem. The Girls can get attention whenever wherever they want. No Wonder that they become more and more affectionated. Attention is what Girls strive for - als we man do for sex. All this socialmedia is to women as if us guys could get sex wherever whenever and from whomever we want. Guess what: no man would be willing to marry any more. And that is why there are no or less and less qualitiy woman out there. They just have no need to be quality women any more. Social Media, whatsapp etc brought them their candystore where they can get what they want for free.
Ourdays a Girl can sit with you in the livingroom telling you how much she appreciates being with you while at the same time getting her so urgently needed attention fix of Five our guys via her Smartphone the same time.
Who wants to trust women like this?

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I mean a few girls like Rihanna being the welcome exceptions I read a study (okcupid?) stating that black women were the least desired group in OLD.. and I don't think that's just a coincidence. I feel bad for tenacity, it's hard enough for the rest of us to get a quality woman but for you it must be downright impossible.

Rihanna is not even cute, way badder black chicks then Rihanna

 

[Tenacity]

And why aren't you in this sphere?

For a number of reasons.

- When I was 18 - 22, I was not attractive, so I wasn't even going to be able to secure the quality chick during that time period and KEEP her going forward into today.

- I'm also not going to go scrolling through the 18 - 22 year old market today, because at 33 (about to be 34 in August) I just find that a little creepy lol. My dating range is 25 - 40 (sweet spot 27 - 30) right now.

And that is a big problem. The Girls can get attention whenever wherever they want. No Wonder that they become more and more affectionated. Attention is what Girls strive for - als we man do for sex. All this socialmedia is to women as if us guys could get sex wherever whenever and from whomever we want. Guess what: no man would be willing to marry any more. And that is why there are no or less and less qualitiy woman out there. They just have no need to be quality women any more. Social Media, whatsapp etc brought them their candystore where they can get what they want for free.
Ourdays a Girl can sit with you in the livingroom telling you how much she appreciates being with you while at the same time getting her so urgently needed attention fix of Five our guys via her Smartphone the same time.
Who wants to trust women like this?

Correct and this is what I'm trying to pinpoint to the guys here. They are speaking on OLD like it's a different PLANET or something.......when OLD is pretty much Social Media, and Social Media is pretty much OLD.

Every guy here knows that 90% of women 21 - 45 are ON Facebook or some other type of Social Media. Well, what is really the difference between let's say a Facebook v.s. let's say a POF/OKC? Let's see:

- Both are free
- Both allow the woman to get a lot of attention
- Both allow the woman to get her inbox FULL of guys trying to fvck/date her
- Both allow the woman to update her pics and get likes

What's the difference between Facebook and POF/OKC? Nothing! It's why Facebook created Tinder in the first place, they realize they are very similar to the dating websites so why not just add a dating app for Facebook users?

So once again, I stand by my theory....that there's NO difference between the OLD market and the General Market........because the General Market and the OLD Market is the SAME damn Market!

 

[9Volt]

Guru, assuming this is true, we must be dealing with different markets. You said you were white and a millionaire. Being a millionaire and being around Wallstreet, gives you access to a certain "network" that I don't (as of yet) have access to. Furthermore, being a good-looking WHITE MAN on OLD, is going to give you more access to decent WHITE/ASIAN women. The honest truth is that many white/asian women don't respond to black men on OLD.



I didn't say every woman was low quality, I said the ones that DIDN'T have one of the major issues I listed were no longer on the market....or the ones that are ON the market, don't "put themselves out there" to be found.



But I already said this. I said the vast majority of the quality women marry their high school or undergrad college sweathearts, and the ones that are still on the market are virtually impossible to find because she doesn't really PUT herself out to be found (like on OLD, like going to many social functions where you can meet her, etc., etc.)





Bros I just completely disagree. It hasn't been my experience.

Also I want you guys to ponder this...........can't we pretty much lump in Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and other social media as "ONLINE DATING" as well? Think about it, the dynamics aren't that much different, girls have a shyt ton of messages in their OKC/POF inbox and their Facebook Inboxes as well.

Then consider that of women age 21 - 45 (the women we are dating), at least 90% of them are on some sort of Social Media (Facebook) in some context.

So in other words you just want to generalize and lump an entire gender into what you want so you can attempt to justify them all = trash on pof.

might as well say anyone that uses the internet is the same garbage as pof.

 

[Tenacity]

So in other words you just want to generalize and lump an entire gender into what you want so you can attempt to justify them all = trash on pof.

might as well say anyone that uses the internet is the same garbage as pof.

Well, I'm not referring to them as trash, I'm referring to them as having ONE of the major issues I outlined and thus not being "high quality".

Just because someone isn't high quality, doesn't mean their trash (in my opinion at least). For example, Guru's criteria includes:

• Strong family values and background (no previous divorces or within her immediate family);
• Traditional minded and raised;

Seeing as though 75% of black people grow up in single mother households, this automatically takes 75% of black women OFF of Guru's list just right there. But why does a woman have to been considered "trash" because of her family situation, of which she has NO control over?

I don't come from strong family values nor a traditional minded household, so does that mean I'm trash as well? Lol, Guru might say YES

 

[guru1000]

Guru, assuming this is true, we must be dealing with different markets. You said you were white and a millionaire. Being a millionaire and being around Wallstreet, gives you access to a certain "network" that I don't (as of yet) have access to.

What do you think, I wear a stamp of my net worth on my forehead? Women I date don't know my net worth. LTR women don't know my net worth. I keep this info private in my personal life. Further, although I live nicely, when I first meet women in person, they don't know where I live nor what I drive.

Furthermore, being a good-looking WHITE MAN on OLD, is going to give you more access to decent WHITE/ASIAN women. The honest truth is that many white/asian women don't respond to black men on OLD.

Would you mind sending a link to your OLD profile.

 

[Tenacity]

Would you mind sending a link to your OLD profile.

I don't have an issue, but I already tried this with Legend and I'm sure you will say the same thing. You will tell me to go buy Armani suits and spend $1,000 on professional pictures.

ALL of which will in fact increase the appearance of my profile....but will do NOTHING in terms of bringing in women that do not have at least one of the major issues I already outlined.

 

[guru1000]

Is this not a contradiction?

being a good-looking WHITE MAN on OLD, is going to give you more access to decent WHITE/ASIAN women. The honest truth is that many white/asian women don't respond to black men on OLD.

ALL of which will in fact increase the appearance of my profile....but will do NOTHING in terms of bringing in women that do not have at least one of the major issues I already outlined.

If I'm meeting those type of women, surely those women must exist. My argument is not that you cannot attract a qualified partner because you're black, but rather you lack presentation or as Brad, BeTheChange and 9Volt state, you are entertaining the wrong venues.

Yes, I'm not black. BUT, the few black associates who I do know are dating scores of great (sometimes white) women. What is the key difference between them and you? They look the part. From what I remember of your pics, you have the look, but your presentation is not congruent with whom you seek.

 

[Tenacity]

Is this not a contradiction?

If I'm meeting those type of women, surely those women must exist. My argument is not that you cannot attract a qualified partner because you're black, but rather you lack presentation or as Brad, BeTheChange and 9Volt state, you are entertaining the wrong venues.

Yes, I'm not black. BUT, the few black associates who I do know are dating scores of great (sometimes white) women. What is the key difference between them and you? They look the part. From what I remember of your pics, you have the look, but your presentation is not congruent with whom you seek.

Guru like I told Legend, I respect your opinion but I really don't think it's going to make much of a difference.

To give you an analogy, it's like telling a person with AIDS that eating right, exercising, and not smoking creates a healthy lifestyle. It's TRUE that eating right, exercising, and not smoking creates a healthy lifestyle, but the person has AIDS, which means it really won't make much of a difference in their "situation" of being on the edge of death.

Legend already told me to invest in expensive pictures, buy fancy suits, and take this pic and that pic...then ALL OF A SUDDEN the super, duper, high-quality woman will appear. It's bullshyt advice, why? Because the super, duper, high-quality woman has to EXIST in order for me to attract her! She doesn't exist.....

If I'm meeting those type of women, surely those women must exist.

So YOU (Guru) are dating black women who:

- Are HB7 and higher
- No kids
- Good Finances
- Absolutely No Personality/Attitude/Stuck Up Related Issues
- Age 25 to 32

This is what you are telling me? And you are telling me that you are dating SCORES of these women?

Yes, I'm not black. BUT, the few black associates who I do know are dating scores of great (sometimes white) women.

But how do you know if the women fit the criteria I laid out? Guys lie all of the time Guru.

 

[guru1000]

Guru like I told Legend, I respect your opinion but I really don't think it's going to make much of a difference.

To give you an analogy, it's like telling a person with AIDS that eating right, exercising, and not smoking creates a healthy lifestyle. It's TRUE that eating right, exercising, and not smoking creates a healthy lifestyle, but the person has AIDS, which means it really won't make much of a difference in their "situation" of being on the edge of death.

Legend already told me to invest in expensive pictures, buy fancy suits, and take this pic and that pic...then ALL OF A SUDDEN the super, duper, high-quality woman will appear. It's bullshyt advice, why? Because the super, duper, high-quality woman has to EXIST in order for me to attract her! She doesn't exist.....



So YOU (Guru) are dating black women who:

- Are HB7 and higher
- No kids
- Good Finances
- Absolutely No Personality/Attitude/Stuck Up Related Issues
- Age 25 to 32

This is what you are telling me? And you are telling me that you are dating SCORES of these women?



But how do you know if the women fit the criteria I laid out? Guys lie all of the time Guru.

No I have not dated any black women. I'm not averse to dating black women (they hit on me all the time), I just never sought them out.

Let's have an honest discussion for a moment:

By your saying the girl must be black, are you not making your necessity a virtue. Riddle me this:

You meet a Hispanic or white girl with big lips, hips, ass, and tits. She is an 8. She meets all of the qualifying criteria that you and I have mentioned. Are you telling me she is disqualified?

Me thinks that you have little success with white, Hispanic, and Asian women on OLD, and thus make black women, the only ones who do respond to you, a requirement.

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Tenacity, if I gave you some pictures of the chicks I have talked to in the past/currently I think you'd have a heart attack. I don't play when I say I like baddies.

While I haven't dated too many chicks that makes as much as me it's not that hard to find one that's 7+, no kids, and make 40k+.

 

[Tenacity]

You meet a Hispanic or white girl with big lips, hips, ass, and tits. She is an 8. She meets all of the qualifying criteria that you and I have mentioned. Are you telling me she is disqualified?

Me thinks that you have little success with white, Hispanic, and Asian women on OLD, and thus make black women, the only ones who do respond to you, a requirement.

I'm not sure what would be the point of me lying Guru? If I preferred Asian women but can't get one in general, I would have said that.

While I haven't dated too many chicks that makes as much as me it's not that hard to find one that's 7+, no kids, and make 40k+.

But with no personality/attitude related issues?

Listen, all know is the following:

- I'm NOT crazy, I'm reporting back to you guys what I've been experiencing

- Creating the "world's greatest OLD profile" isn't going to change anything

The honest truth though is that I'm finalizing my decision on the vasectomy. I might get it done this year. I've already opted out of marriage. Quite frankly, it doesn't really MATTER anymore, I'm not doing any legal relations nor settling down with any woman.....so fvck it.

But I'm NOT making up what I'm reporting and creating the world's greatest OLD profile isn't going to change anything.

 

[Trainwreck]

I deleted Tinder and Bumble because OLD is pretty **** for black men. It would take me too much effort for very little results while my white friends could get a date at ease. In addition, the girls I was matching with were alll low quality at best. I don't participate in any game where I start severely handicapped at the beginning. In addition, it really does frustrate you a lot.