Sticking point: bringing up sex

[RichardTheFrog]

Okay I think this post is significantly different from my other ones.

This is about a girl I met on POF. She gave me her number and we started texting.

After a brief conversation about what she does for work and stuff like that, she tells me she just watches TV most of the day when she's not at work.

I assume she's at least a little attracted to me since she was the one to message me on POF.

I feel like I got a feel for her as to who she is. She's just a person.

I feel like she might appreciate a d !ck in her life.

I ask her to send me a pic and she does.

Then, I start thinking about how I could ask her for sex or if that would be appropriate. But I feel like it's too soon, so I ask her if she is into real estate at all, just to keep the conversation going.

She says she isn't and asks if that's a deal breaker.

The reason I brought up real estate is because I was trying to do the "two steps forward, one step back" thing that I've read in the books.

At this point, I'm not sure how much of a DTF type girl she is, so I decide to just go for it and ask if she will show me her boobs. She says no.

I figure it's over, but then she asks me if that's the end of our conversation. I say it's not and go on to ask her about her work.

This may seem like too early to bring up sex, but isn't it just polarizing to find someone who just likes to f uck all the time, etc.?

Even when I do manage to get in conversations, I never know how to smoothly bring up sex or transition to sex. This seems to be a major sticking point of mine at the moment.

 

[El Payaso]

Instead of all this pointless back and forth texting, ask her out and escalate in person.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Instead of all this pointless back and forth texting, ask her out and escalate in person.

Any suggestions on where I should ask her to? What type of place? This is actually new to me.

Here's another question that you, or anyone else, might know....

Seems like every girl I talk to doesn't want to talk about her past relationships. They always say something like they are tired of being lied to. That is what this girl said. I really want to ask her about what she was lied to about, but I know that's not a good idea. So perhaps someone here knows?

Apparently, the guys who are being successful are the ones who are lying and manipulating these girls? Now I have to play "Mr. Nice Guy" after she's choked on the d! cks of a million liars?

How does this work and what's going on here?

I am beginning to realize that no matter how hot the girl or how much "social status" she may be trying to portray, at some point in her past, there was at least one guy who lied to her and used her.

Is it bad to say that I would like to be that guy? Hell, he probably even got her to pay for stuff, while over here thinking I have to be a millionaire in order to have value.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

After realizing that sex wasn't going to just happen with minimal effort in this case, I backtracked and started asking her about relationships because that's what it said she wanted in her profile.

I asked what she valued in a relationship and she said "honesty above all else" and that she's tired of being lied to and won't tolerate it anymore. Like I said, I REALLY want to ask her about every single detail of what someone lied to her about and how it manipulated her because I KNOW this happens all the time and the types of guys that do this are not wasting their time on a website like this, either.

She then asked me what I'm looking for in a relationship and I haven't answered yet because I don't really know. I suppose I'm looking for sex. Like I've said before, I probably want to have children some day but not necessarily with this random girl that I just met on POF. So I don't even know how to answer that question. And that's even without getting all philosophical about "what is a relationship actually?" and if a relationship is something that actually exists or is just an imaginary concept that people make up.

 

[Murk]

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[El Payaso]

Any suggestions on where I should ask her to? What type of place? This is actually new to me.

Here's another question that you, or anyone else, might know....

Seems like every girl I talk to doesn't want to talk about her past relationships. They always say something like they are tired of being lied to. That is what this girl said. I really want to ask her about what she was lied to about, but I know that's not a good idea. So perhaps someone here knows?

Apparently, the guys who are being successful are the ones who are lying and manipulating these girls? Now I have to play "Mr. Nice Guy" after she's choked on the d! cks of a million liars?

How does this work and what's going on here?

I am beginning to realize that no matter how hot the girl or how much "social status" she may be trying to portray, at some point in her past, there was at least one guy who lied to her and used her.

Is it bad to say that I would like to be that guy? Hell, he probably even got her to pay for stuff, while over here thinking I have to be a millionaire in order to have value.

If you drink alcohol, tell her to meet you at a bar for drinks.

If you don't drink alcohol, tell her to meet you at a coffee shop.

If you live in or close to the downtown in your city, you can also just ask her to meet you for a walk. In addition to regular conversation, you can use window shopping, people watching etc to strike up further conversation and find out more about her.

Whatever you choose to do, just keep it lowkey and cheap.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

If you drink alcohol, tell her to meet you at a bar for drinks.

If you don't drink alcohol, tell her to meet you at a coffee shop.

If you live in or close to the downtown in your city, you can also just ask her to meet you for a walk. In addition to regular conversation, you can use window shopping, people watching etc to strike up further conversation and find out more about her.

Whatever you choose to do, just keep it lowkey and cheap.

Okay well after talking to her, she already has 2 **** buddies. And now she's trying to get a relationship so that someone can give her love and affection.

Do you see what kind of bull sh!t this is?

I have to play Mr. Gentleman so that I can get into a relationship with her? When that's not even what I want... I really just want the sex like the other guys are getting. But for some reason, which I've yet to figure out.... apparently I can't play just the "**** buddy" role?

Keep in mind.... I'VE HAD SEX BEFORE.... It's not going to change my life to sleep with this girl... but apparently I have to jump through all kinds of hoops to make it happen? When I could just as easily pay someone and get it for free.

You heard that right... I said....

PAY SOMEONE AND GET IT FOR FREE!!!! And if you don't know how that makes sense, what I mean is that I don't have to put up with any of the relationship drama and headaches that may lead to me having a stroke.

 

[El Payaso]

Okay well after talking to her, she already has 2 **** buddies. And now she's trying to get a relationship so that someone can give her love and affection.

Do you see what kind of bull sh!t this is?

I have to play Mr. Gentleman so that I can get into a relationship with her? When that's not even what I want... I really just want the sex like the other guys are getting. But for some reason, which I've yet to figure out.... apparently I can't play just the "**** buddy" role?

Keep in mind.... I'VE HAD SEX BEFORE.... It's not going to change my life to sleep with this girl... but apparently I have to jump through all kinds of hoops to make it happen? When I could just as easily pay someone and get it for free.

You heard that right... I said....

PAY SOMEONE AND GET IT FOR FREE!!!! And if you don't know how that makes sense, what I mean is that I don't have to put up with any of the relationship drama and headaches that may lead to me having a stroke.

I don't see what the problem is. She told you what she wants, you know what you want.

Since you want f*ck buddy and she wants relationship then just move on. No need to get stressed over this. People are free to have f*ck buddies at a point in their life and then decide they want a relationship at another. I'm sure there's a man out there willing to be the relationship guy for her. You just don't want to be that guy so cut contact and move on.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I asked her for more information about her **** buddies. She says they weren't even that good of friends, but they had good d !cks.

So apparently, it's all about having a good d !ck and then you can get it for free.

I have a ****ing d !ck implant. You can see that as a good thing or a bad thing, but it sure gets hard.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I don't see what the problem is. She told you what she wants, you know what you want.

Since you want f*ck buddy and she wants relationship then just move on. No need to get stressed over this. People are free to have f*ck buddies at a point in their life and then decide they want a relationship at another. I'm sure there's a man out there willing to be the relationship guy for her. You just don't want to be that guy so cut contact and move on.

I'm kind of just pumping her for information of how "the game" works at this point.

And it also kind of pisses me off that I'm now having to listen to "rules" from a little girl. She's only 23.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

So now it becomes clear that "bringing up sex" was not my sticking point at all.

She knows all about sex. Obviously.

And the reason why she didn't enter into relationships with her **** buddies was that they didn't want relationships.

So, apparently, to get what I'm wanting, I have to have a really good d !ck.

I think girls will overlook the implant, but I don't know that mine is big enough for a girl to want me as a **** buddy.

Sad but true.

So therefore, I'm stuck having to amass wealth, which probably won't help my anyway.

So perhaps I should just be messaging girls with "hey wanna ****." I used to do this on Tinder all the time, I don't know why I have such respect for "POF girls" as if they are something special.

I think certain girls would accept my size as a **** buddy.

And I can't believe it took me this long to figure out that girls weren't innocent. I mean, deep down I knew, but it never came to my attention like this.

Why is she trying to play the relationship game with me when she's ****ing other guys for free? Not fair.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

So it's been confirmed. This guy is a troll. Waste of time

No, what happened was that your "advice" (of which there actually was none) wasn't at all helpful so you got mad.

You start off by telling me I should be nicer... then next you tell me I'm being too nice. I called you out on it, so you started asking me for pictures and to see a bunch of messages I'm sending as if that's any of your business or as if you would be able to offer any "help" at all.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I'm starting to believe it all boils down to only talking to women that have high interest in you. I don't see myself as having game however I was able spin one plate and these last couple of days and the reason I believe I'm successful is because she has extremely high interest. she's no dime she's not that pretty however I believe my personality and laid-back attitude is what got her interested. As for having sex I simply kissed her and she told me to touch her and it just went from there.

I'm starting to believe it's all about the d !ck.

You have to show them that you're worth their time.

Money is nice, but d !ck is probably better to them.

Also, I don't know why they choose some guys to give them d !ck over others. I mean, they obviously have to make sure the guys d! ck is good, but is there anything more to it than that?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I'm starting to believe it's all about the d !ck.

You have to show them that you're worth their time.

Money is nice, but d !ck is probably better to them.

Also, I don't know why they choose some guys to give them d !ck over others. I mean, they obviously have to make sure the guys d! ck is good, but is there anything more to it than that?

Sometimes when they just want to eff they want someone they WON'T fall for. One lady told me she wouldn't use a fine dude as a eff buddy cause she'll get hooked.

 

[Thorninmyside]

"Chicks only want money" - has money but can't get noticed.

"Money is status" - has no status

"It's all about the d!ck" - has a penis implant but still doesn't get laid.

"Don't give me that mindset chit" - displays constant cognitive dissonance

"I've turned down better girls than you could ever get" - can't get any kind of girl for any kind of thing.

"I hit the bars" - drinks alone in public

"don't know what my problem is" - refuses to accept or investigate any suggestions

I honestly don't know how you can be helped. You might not be a lost cause, but you're a bloody stubborn one. Your reply to this will be a bunch of blah about how I'm nothing and you're the big dog, but a month ago I predicted you'd still be exactly where you are.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

"Chicks only want money" - has money but can't get noticed.

"Money is status" - has no status

"It's all about the d!ck" - has a penis implant but still doesn't get laid.

"Don't give me that mindset chit" - displays constant cognitive dissonance

"I've turned down better girls than you could ever get" - can't get any kind of girl for any kind of thing.

"I hit the bars" - drinks alone in public

"don't know what my problem is" - refuses to accept or investigate any suggestions

I honestly don't know how you can be helped. You might not be a lost cause, but you're a bloody stubborn one. Your reply to this will be a bunch of blah about how I'm nothing and you're the big dog, but a month ago I predicted you'd still be exactly where you are.

I could have gotten all the sex I wanted if I would have entered into a relationship with that girl today.

I don't have money yet. I have $87k/year, which I hope will go up significantly when I start flipping houses. But I am now realizing that that won't make all the difference.

If "status" means being a local disc jockey, then I'm not sure I want status.

 

[Thorninmyside]

Flip houses for your betterment. That's for you, not any girl who might be impressed. It's natural to want some recognition for being good at something, but there are guys earning less, thinking less, and getting more vag, so there's gotta be an aspect you haven't tapped into yet.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I could have gotten all the sex I wanted if I would have entered into a relationship with that girl today.

I don't have money yet. I have $87k/year, which I hope will go up significantly when I start flipping houses. But I am now realizing that that won't make all the difference.

If "status" means being a local disc jockey, then I'm not sure I want status.

Well you can at least have "physical attraction". With enough "physical attraction" not a lot needs to be said. Build the body and drape it like a king in fine clothing.

 

[amoka]

Any suggestions on where I should ask her to? What type of place? This is actually new to me.

You are going to be repeating the same mistake if you want to be spoon-fed. Think of you asking a chick to show you her boobs as a chick asking you to show her your bank account.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You are going to be repeating the same mistake if you want to be spoon-fed. Think of you asking a chick to show you her boobs as a chick asking you to show her your bank account.

She has two **** buddies, yet she's gonna be stingy with me?

How's that fair?

I have to commit my life to someone just to get something I could get for free for $150?