Still not being seen as alpha or leader of tribe...

[RichardTheFrog]

So we've established in previous posts that humans evolved in tribes and we are not programmed to live in the world we live in today. This has also been told in books like The Mystery Method. So this means that any of us males can join social groups and, if we are the highest member of the group, have the pick of the ladies. It has also been said that guys with "game" can fool people into thinking they are high value and that is the essence of what "game" is. And that guys who actually do have high value need less "game" than guys who have lower actual value.

My frustration is this....

I am still not being seen as an alpha male when I approach strangers. Despite everything I've been through in life, I get disrespected, lied to, and even stolen from.

I have been through too much. Broken my neck, broken my back, spinal cord injury, lived homeless on the streets, 4 years of incarceration. In this world full of feminized men, I would like to think that I should be cleaning up. But I'm not.

Is it because of feminism and the ill-effects that it's had on the women of today's world? Is it because of the ridiculous hypergamy standard that they have?

I still think that getting rich is my only ticket in the door to "impress" these ladies that aren't worth impressing in the first place. They are worth nothing more than a hole in most cases and that hole isn't even worth all that much.

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Is anybody out there going to tell me that driving this car isn't going to get me noticed? That it won't show status and "peacock" in a very effective way? I think that people would either want to rob me, take advantage of me, or get to know me. What do you think? (and no, this whole post wasn't just about a car, it was about being seen as the leader of a group).

Some guys do it by being socially proofed bartenders. Some do it, like Chad, by being extremely good-looking, other's do it by being street thugs that intimidate most. I think this is my only way into girl's hearts and vaginas.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You have a pretty significant mental illness and that is the number one problem in your game. I recommend spending the money you would spend on the car and put it towards fixing that problem.

What are you basing that on? Do you know the details of the crime I committed, or was it because I mentioned it somewhere else on this forum?

I have been through all the counseling in the world and I have no symptoms for which psychiatric medication would help. In fact, I'm not even sure that I have that mental illness anymore due to my lack of symptoms. I am pretty sure I see reality clearly.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I'm basing it off of yours repetitive uncontrolled and obsessive speech patterns on this forum. Medication may not help but what about behavioral therapy?

And that would lead you to believe I had what? OCD? Or schizophrenia?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Definitely OCD

Good. Then I'll obsess about my business and make millions.

If only I could stop smoking, I could live a long healthy life.

As soon as a drop of alcohol gets in my system, it's cigarette after cigarette.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I have been through too much. Broken my neck, broken my back, spinal cord injury, lived homeless on the streets, 4 years of incarceration. In this world full of feminized men, I would like to think that I should be cleaning up. But I'm not.

Your assuming that people can look at you and somehow sense your past and your "alphaness" because of it.

Nothing you mentioned will cause a behavioral shift that is attractive to ladies.

You are making the common and subconscious association of "Girl I Want = Mommy."

I'm NOT saying you want to bang your mom, (or any other freudian bs) but males tend to assume the same strategy that worked with mommy (rewards for behavior) will work with ladies.

IT DOES NOT.

IT IS ALWAYS a mix of "what can you do for me now" and "what can you do for me in the future."

This is rarely conscious and most ladies would disagree with this, but this is what drives their feelings.

Girls look at you and instantly and subconsciously ask themselves, "What can this dude do for me?"

This isn't a question they ask that comes back with an answer. As you mentioned in your OP, this comes back as a "feeling."

Women's biology is calibrated to feel "attraction" for general alpha traits.

You have none.

She watches how you interact with others. She watches your body languages. She listens to your words, how quickly or slowly you speak, whether or not your sentences end in a downward tonality or an even tonality or an upward tonality. She watches how OTHERS judge you, men and women. Humans are hierarchical, we always are measuring those around us.

If "past performance" generated "alpha behavior" and attraction, every guy who'd been in jail or homeless or in the hospital would be cleaning up.

Soldiers coming back from war would get rained on by never ending pvzzy.

But they don't.

Until you admit that you have NON ALPHA behavior which stems from NON ALPHA beliefs about yourself, the world, and your relationship to it, NOTHING will change.

NONE OF THIS has anything to do with your often repeated tales of woe.

Since you seem to be incapable of listening to advice online, your only hope is a mix of therapy/coaching.

Walk in with a specific GOAL of being able to walk up and seduce a reasonably attractive girl in a reasonable amount of time.

FOCUS ON THAT GOAL as you go through the counseling sessions.

Shop around for a counselor that can help you achieve that goal and "fix" the underlying issues which stop you from getting it.

IF YOU DON"T DO THIS

take a good hard look at your life NOW, and extrapolate until you die.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You have a lot of unresolved pain and frustration and self defeating thoughts and behaviors.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Your assuming that people can look at you and somehow sense your past and your "alphaness" because of it.

Nothing you mentioned will cause a behavioral shift that is attractive to ladies.

You are making the common and subconscious association of "Girl I Want = Mommy."

I'm NOT saying you want to bang your mom, (or any other freudian bs) but males tend to assume the same strategy that worked with mommy (rewards for behavior) will work with ladies.

IT DOES NOT.

IT IS ALWAYS a mix of "what can you do for me now" and "what can you do for me in the future."

This is rarely conscious and most ladies would disagree with this, but this is what drives their feelings.

Girls look at you and instantly and subconsciously ask themselves, "What can this dude do for me?"

This isn't a question they ask that comes back with an answer. As you mentioned in your OP, this comes back as a "feeling."

Women's biology is calibrated to feel "attraction" for general alpha traits.

You have none.

She watches how you interact with others. She watches your body languages. She listens to your words, how quickly or slowly you speak, whether or not your sentences end in a downward tonality or an even tonality or an upward tonality. She watches how OTHERS judge you, men and women. Humans are hierarchical, we always are measuring those around us.

If "past performance" generated "alpha behavior" and attraction, every guy who'd been in jail or homeless or in the hospital would be cleaning up.

Soldiers coming back from war would get rained on by never ending pvzzy.

But they don't.

Until you admit that you have NON ALPHA behavior which stems from NON ALPHA beliefs about yourself, the world, and your relationship to it, NOTHING will change.

NONE OF THIS has anything to do with your often repeated tales of woe.

Since you seem to be incapable of listening to advice online, your only hope is a mix of therapy/coaching.

Walk in with a specific GOAL of being able to walk up and seduce a reasonably attractive girl in a reasonable amount of time.

FOCUS ON THAT GOAL as you go through the counseling sessions.

Shop around for a counselor that can help you achieve that goal and "fix" the underlying issues which stop you from getting it.

IF YOU DON"T DO THIS

take a good hard look at your life NOW, and extrapolate until you die.

I have no alpha traits? Are you sure about this? Tell me your life story, little boy. Even tell me what you do for a living.

What can I do for a girl? Give her orgasms and maybe money. Question becomes, would I want to... And what can she do for me?

Also, ex-military guys do get respected by females and get lots of *****. What world do you live in?

You have never even seen me to make such generalizations about me. You are no expert.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You have a lot of unresolved pain and frustration and self defeating thoughts and behaviors.

What self defeating stuff do you see?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

What self defeating stuff do you see?

It comes across in your tone. Your hurt and angry. It's not going to be attractive. Are you happy with yourself outside of females? Talking to a therepist can help.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I have no alpha traits? Are you sure about this?

by your own admission you have trouble talking to girls and you have no friends.

That's all anybody needs to know. If you had alpha traits, any at all, you would not have so many issues in social situations.

Also you come across as very angry, as mentioned by others.

Unless you fix the issues inside yourself, nothing will change.

However, it seems you are dead set on arguing with anybody who tries to give you any genuine advice.

I'll stay out of your threads from now on.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

by your own admission you have trouble talking to girls and you have no friends.

That's all anybody needs to know. If you had alpha traits, any at all, you would not have so many issues in social situations.

Also you come across as very angry, as mentioned by others.

Unless you fix the issues inside yourself, nothing will change.

However, it seems you are dead set on arguing with anybody who tries to give you any genuine advice.

I'll stay out of your threads from now on.

What is the need to making male friends? I have business people that I associate with. I am not rude to other guys, but I don't care to make friends with the cool people down town, for example, because they're mostly retarded.

Most girls don't deserve for me to give them the time of day. Let alone for me to dance like a monkey trying to impress them with my riches. And guess what, that's what it's going to take - riches.

 

[Fzatf]

What is the need to making male friends? I have business people that I associate with. I am not rude to other guys, but I don't care to make friends with the cool people down town, for example, because they're mostly retarded.

Most girls don't deserve for me to give them the time of day. Let alone for me to dance like a monkey trying to impress them with my riches. And guess what, that's what it's going to take - riches.

It sounds like some male friends would actually do you some good. Some companions in arms would do well to kill some of your bitterness. Also if you build a social circle you can go after woman within it. Wingmen for club and bar game can help you as well.

As for the attitude regarding women, what makes you think that going in with that perspective is helpful? Most women aren't worth your time? If you assume that going in you're not going to give girls the chance to show you different.

If you don't care about women and plan to get rich, why don't you just stick with prostitutes? It doesn't sound like you want a healthy relationship with a woman, just a warm hole.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

It sounds like some male friends would actually do you some good. Some companions in arms would do well to kill some of your bitterness. Also if you build a social circle you can go after woman within it. Wingmen for club and bar game can help you as well.

As for the attitude regarding women, what makes you think that going in with that perspective is helpful? Most women aren't worth your time? If you assume that going in you're not going to give girls the chance to show you different.

If you don't care about women and plan to get rich, why don't you just stick with prostitutes? It doesn't sound like you want a healthy relationship with a woman, just a warm hole.

Because I can't have a family with a prostitute.

 

[Fzatf]

Because I can't have a family with a prostitute.

Then find a girl worth building a family with. Even if there's a lot of trash on the market it does you no good to go in with a negative attitude about women in general. Work on yourself, learn to cold approach, work on night and day game, and kill the defeatist attitude.

 

[SuckItUp]

I have no alpha traits? Are you sure about this? Tell me your life story, little boy. Even tell me what you do for a living.

What can I do for a girl? Give her orgasms and maybe money. Question becomes, would I want to... And what can she do for me?

Also, ex-military guys do get respected by females and get lots of *****. What world do you live in?

You have never even seen me to make such generalizations about me. You are no expert.

You're missing the point. An alpha man doesn't need to tell other men he is alpha, because they see it in his behaviors, hear it in his voice.

We can only make deductions on the questions you ask and the things you grouse about.

Every man has ultility to women. The difference is that that the every man is easily susceptible to being taken to the cleaners whereas for the Alpha man women fear that their value isn't enough for the Alpha man.

A large part of doing well with women is being in tune with yourself, the world, and how people interact. Treating interactions with women like transactions doesn't suggest a greater understanding.

Have you ever been able to arouse a woman into a sexual frenzy without taking her clothes off and just whispering to her?

That is stripping away all the game playing, and is what women want, but are afraid to allow.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Your issue is that you do not understand social dynamics at all. You have zero social skills, like none. You want it to work like how YOU want it to, and let me tell you something, you are below the threshold for it to happen. You have a very weak personality filled with ego and arrogance. Destroy it. And rebuild yourself. You take a lot of pride from previously being the scum of the Earth, and that's NOTHING for you to take pride in. Let me tell you something, TRULY tough people don't ever talk about their misfortunes. Why? Because they don't ever want to think about them, they don't expect people to feel sorry for them, nor do they want them to either. They get going and do what they gotta do to survive. You talk about how bad you have had it before, but there is ALWAYS someone who has had it worse than you. Prison for 4 years in the United States? Pffffft, that's living like a Saudi King compared to some other prisons a few people I know have been to. Suffered a spinal and neck injury? That's a hell of a lot better than shock torture on your tongue and penis in Tadmor. Had to learn how to walk again? What about having seen someone have one leg tied to a tanker truck and the other tied to a wall, then watch the guard floor the truck and see one of your friends get ripped in half? How about watching another friend get his throat stomped on until death just because a guard felt like it? Or because you looked at him in the eye? How about when the guards take you to a torture chamber to punch you in your skull 7 times, where you see the blood spouting out from your head like a fountain just because you were talking in your sleep? These people I know have had it harder than a Jew in Auschwitz. You can't make these stories up. What you have been through is still nothing compared to some others. Quit complaining that no one is giving you a standing ovation. You were born with the ability to speak English and you know how the system here works better than others, yet these people who I have met have had struggles worse than you, came to the US without knowing any English, and made a living better than you. Quit complaining so much. If your life isn't the way you want it to be, it's because of you.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Not really. There may be some women out there like that, but your issue is most likely because whatever you think the reason is, it angers and frustrates you tremendously. Issues like this resonate in everything you do and in ways you may never even notice; the way you act, react, talk, don't talk, sometimes just the way you look at people... even the way you write. Any one of these things can drive people away from you, let alone a combination of them. And it's not something you can hide well, if only because you seldom realize you're even doing it to begin with.

Once in a while I find myself so wrapped up in my own head about the stresses and hustle of my life that a friend might sometimes ask me what I'm so angry about. It surprises me, because I'm rarely angry at all when they ask me this, but that's what I resonate as I have this intense look on my face without even realizing it.




You're exactly right. Because if you cannot attract women without money, then the only women you will attract with money will be the types that aren't worth impressing; types not worth more than a warm hole. Even if you do attract women this way, they will be the types who will only reinforce your hatred of women and frustrate you even more. It's not working for you now. It won't work for you then either.



I notice ugly people, but that doesn't mean I'm attracted to them. I notice stupid people, but that doesn't mean I want to talk to them. I notice a lot of sh*t, and it doesn't mean anything. Sure, you'll get noticed in your nice car, but you're not going to do any better with these women than you would in a setting where your car is nowhere in sight, when you're in a situation where it's just you.... which is precisely where you're dealing with so much rejection already. And once again, for those women who this does work on, see my previous comment above....



Some do it without being any of the above. I think I'm a decent looking guy, but don't consider myself extremely good looking. I don't bartend. I'm certainly not a thug. I was a musician and got a lot of ass that way, but I haven't done it in years. I make six-fig money, but I don't advertise it, and the only people who know what I make and think I'm rich, are all broke mother f*ckers.

You may also need to let go of the fantasy that you're going to get rich flipping houses. You might do well enough, if you're lucky, to make ends meet without working another job, but rich? It's not probable or likely. I've done this kind of work. You're not going to make big profits flipping 10 year old houses in good shape. You have to get them cheap, which means they'll be older and far more decrepit, which also means you're going to find a lot of hidden disasters once you start tearing sheetrock down and so forth. You're always going to have to deal with sh*t that will eat big into your dreamy profit margins. You're going to need to be extremely savvy and smart with finances, along with a very long term plan and patience, if you want to have a realistic shot at doing this. The whole buying a Bentley thing, regardless of how you're paying for it, is exactly the kind of reasoning that makes me wonder if you have the financial sense and discipline it really takes to flip houses successfully, most especially to the extend of becoming "rich" doing it.

I have handyman that do quality work at a fraction of the cost of contractors.

I don't get listings from realtors. I get them from wholesalers, who make a living finding distressed properties.

I was going to use hard money lenders, but my dad just told me he would finance me at 0%

 

[Tenacity]

So we've established in previous posts that humans evolved in tribes and we are not programmed to live in the world we live in today. This has also been told in books like The Mystery Method. So this means that any of us males can join social groups and, if we are the highest member of the group, have the pick of the ladies. It has also been said that guys with "game" can fool people into thinking they are high value and that is the essence of what "game" is. And that guys who actually do have high value need less "game" than guys who have lower actual value.

This is cartoon shyt.

I am still not being seen as an alpha male when I approach strangers. Despite everything I've been through in life, I get disrespected, lied to, and even stolen from.

Sir, people lying to you, being rude, and stealing shyt has NOTHING to do with you......it has ALL to do with the fvcked up morals, lack of ethics, and lack of integrity that majority of people hold today.

Some guys do it by being socially proofed bartenders. Some do it, like Chad, by being extremely good-looking, other's do it by being street thugs that intimidate most. I think this is my only way into girl's hearts and vaginas.

Stop trying to figure out if you are some cartoon character called "The Alpha Male", and just make sure your looks, personality, and finances are FIXED so you are attractive. From there, make sure you are meeting a lot of women on a weekly basis to build up your plates.

That's it......there's nothing else to this.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

This is cartoon shyt.



Sir, people lying to you, being rude, and stealing shyt has NOTHING to do with you......it has ALL to do with the fvcked up morals, lack of ethics, and lack of integrity that majority of people hold today.



Stop trying to figure out if you are some cartoon character called "The Alpha Male", and just make sure your looks, personality, and finances are FIXED so you are attractive. From there, make sure you are meeting a lot of women on a weekly basis to build up your plates.

That's it......there's nothing else to this.

That all makes sense, except for...

Why would I want to meet people if they all have ****ed up morals?

I barely have the desire to go out anymore.

 

[Tenacity]

Why would I want to meet people if they all have ****ed up morals?.

Because they provide sex and companionship.