Texting (Why You Shouldn't)

[Tenacity]

Most of these PUA tactics seem to be geared toward creating distance between you and the girl. Don't text them, don't talk to them, make them miss you, don't GAF about them. That may be great advice for the guy whose problem is that he just gets way too gushy and overboard over these chicks, but that just has never been my problem. I mean it was when I was really young and a green as grass beginner, but I really think that not overdoing it is the first lesson you learn anyway.

A lot of players (as you say), go the complete opposite way. They love up on them like they're totally enthralled. Deesade made a post the other day how he makes them think they might have a chance for a relationship. That's all feigning interest, and not this creating distance stuff. The creating distance stuff just leads to things like Neil not seeing his dream girl for eight weeks or whatever it was (although she was acting up on him too).

Certainly after you bang the girl, you shouldn't have to keep finding ways of tricking her into liking you. Go be with her, have fun.


Yeah, this is part of giving value instead of taking value. Instead of being so caught up in ignoring the girl for fear she might think you have some interest in her and be repulsed by you. Or even worse, that she might find out what you're really like, and bam the game is up then.

I really think there are a lot of different approaches that can work, and that you should find one that fits your personality. So text, don't text, do whatever you want, but do it because YOU want to, not because Corey Wayne told you to.

You mentioned Facebook. I won't have a Facebook account myself, not my thing. But I can certainly see how some people might use it to their advantage, for sure.

Completely agree and I would take it a step further that many of these PUAs are just spreading around bullshyt that they heard someone else say (because it sounded good). They spread this shyt along with a variety of other shyt (like 3 second rules, looks don't matter, money doesn't matter, being overweight/obese doesn't matter, etc.) because it's what people who purchase their material WANT to hear. Think about it........

- Most of them already have a hard time building a connection with a woman in the first place, so with a PUA telling them that they can now double-down on being aloof, that's exactly the type of information they want to hear.

- Most of them already are struggling looks wise, so a PUA telling them looks don't matter, is exactly the type of information they want to hear.

- Most of them already are struggling financially, so a PUA telling them money doesn't matter, is exactly the type of information they want to hear.

- Most of them already are overweight and out of shape, so a PUA telling them being fit doesn't matter, is exactly the type of information they want to hear.

- Most of them SUCK at texting and talking to a woman on the phone anyway, so a PUA telling them that texting/talking on the phone doesn't matter, is exactly the type of information they want to hear.

Guys better learn quick WHO to listen to on the Manosphere and who NOT to listen to, because if you follow this PUA shyt your situation with dating, women, etc., is going to get worse.......not better.

 

[Tenacity]

@Tenacity , Name one PUA who's worth a damn that thinks it's a good idea to never message women..

Ummmm, just about all of them lol. Just about all of them talk about getting a number and NOT calling for 3 to 5 days. In addition, just about all of them talk about never "texting" a woman because "texting" is quote, unquote "AFC".

 

[zekko]

Keeping her at some distance is important too though (for me, at least). It's just push/pull, which is probably the most important overreaching part of gaming women.

Push/pull is one thing. What irritates me is that the vast majority of PUA tactics emphasize the "push". I've always been naturally aloof, the last advice on the planet I would ever need is "Be aloof". It's one reason I've always been a little disappointed with PUA material.

 

[bigneil]

As I've documented, I think it's best for the man to text once a week and ask for a specific date. Then just reply to her texts the rest of the time. If your girl isn't initiating two different days per week, she is preoccupied. I've had great success shutting my phone off for 2 days here and there. My new girl actually thought her phone had broken when I didn't text after our first date.

Most men are overtexting happy crap like "Good morning! How is your day today? Lol! " and girls literally cringe. I love when I'm about to have sex with a girl and she gets a message like that.

Chicks don't ask guys out man.......in my experience it's only be fat or ugly chicks that would directly approach me. Decent and hot looking women have always required my DIRECT approach, whether they were giving me non-verbal "cues" or not, most of the time there aren't any non-verbal "cues", especially with black women who routinely walk around with a pissed off look on their face.

Of course they do. I would argue that it's the opposite. Men don't even get a chance to ask them out until she already wants to go out.

Women might not directly say "I want to take you to a movie" but when they text "I miss you" or "Thinking of you" they are asking you for a date. Compare that to your double texting for a date and getting no reply. It's usually one or the other extreme.

 

[lizardking82]

Not a name. Give me one guy, because I don't see it.

I see it a lot on SoSuave - this "don't message women" business. I also see a lot of cussing out pua's on SoSuave.

This is one of the greatest ironies of this forum. In this case, I see Tenacity annoyed at the advice of not to message women - which I've only really seen on this forum. I then see him attribute that to pua's, and then put down pua's, whilst not even understanding that the game is well beyond the straw man which he's criticizing.

You don't even know what you're talking about really, do you?



Most beta males are all pull and no push. That's probably one of the main defining characteristics. Naturally the push is going to be emphasized.

If there's no pull, then she'll just wander off, though. Managing this is what spinning plates is all about, imo.

Can you give a simple situation where you pull and then push, but I am more interested in the "push" part.

 

[bigneil]

Not a name. Give me one guy, because I don't see it.
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Here are three (besides myself)

1) Coach Chris Canwell
2) Coach Corey Wayne
3) Coach Craig Kenneth

All three recommend the same thing as myself: avoid overtexting.

deesade probably sends a smiley face to every girl in his phone every day.

 

[bigneil]

4) Coach Bobby Rio
5) Coach Rob Judge

6) Coach Trung Kien

7) Author Robert Greene

All of these coaches are great.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I think these coaches are stupid. While Neil was busy "not texting" is when his girl was ****ing other guys.

Do you really need another man to tell you how to interact with a girl after you've already met her?

 

[bigneil]

Coaches... authors.. SS members... books... research... empirical evidence.... photos... HB9's... meh...

* Denial and dismissal are deesade's filters (Analyst personality type).
* As a Driver personality type, I react with anger and indignance.

Ok, with the score "Don't overtext" 8 and "Overtext" 2 we'll return after this.

Source

 

[zekko]

Most beta males are all pull and no push. That's probably one of the main defining characteristics. Naturally the push is going to be emphasized.

That's what irritates me. They seem to assume every guy has the same problem, instead of tailoring the advice to the individual. So we get 90% of the advice being about how to push. I really think that a lot of guys have different sticking points. For one guy it might just be one stupid thing he's doing (or not doing), for someone else he may be a complete and total mess. Some guys straight up don't know how to socialize.

 

[devilkingx2]

Delusional. Why are you talking to women that barely give you the time of day?

she was hotter than all of the other girls I knew at the time, hell, she's still top 10 out of all the girls I've ever personally known.

there's other hot girls though, so that doesn't really matter, what really matters is her DD breast size is super super rare on slim girls and I'll never ever find one like that again

 

[bigneil]

Yeah, cause If there's one thing that I'm known for: it's my lovely calm temperament.

I'll ask you again, what makes Corey Wayne on any sort of level at all to someone like Yad, or Krauser?

Corey Wayne says the exact same thing all 7 of those people say. Coincidence? Maybe you can be an Un-Relationship Coach on youtube, the way you are here?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

They also teach how to pull in a refined way.



I like how you put that. Seems that a fundamental difference between us is that I stick girls in a grey area - avoiding exclusivity for a prolonged period, whilst you try to game exclusivity out of them.

However, If you are the "master of interest level", and your whole game revolves around relationships, then why are you so dense to call someone your girlfriend who clearly tells you "I'm not your girlfriend", tells you to your face that she's pursuing and shagging other men, and only shows up when you are taking her somewhere expensive?

The master of interest level can't distinguish between a plate and a girlfriend? The master of relationships doesn't seem to know what a serious one actually is, even if it pulled his trousers down and slapped his face...

Gee, maybe because he's 46 years old going after 20 year olds. Did you hear him talk about the 17 year old he "seduced?"

He's a borderline child molester.

 

[darksprezzatura]

I'll cut to the chase.

A decent looking woman has the options to have sex with majority of the men approaching her.

In short her replication value is high.

A high value man has power in society, through preselection, respect of other men, money, social proof, leader of men, protector of loved ones, strength.

In short his survival value is high.


A woman aligns with a high value man by trading her replication value for his survival value.


A man with high survival value IMO will not be preoccupied with any woman, he knows he can get anyone of them.

Hence flattery, feigning interest, giving attention, making her feel beautiful etc goes out the window.

Intermittently reinforce her good behaviours by giving her attention. Push pull is the name of the game in all domains - Texting, Kino, Comfort, Sex.

Pull hard, push hard, go ghost. Repeat.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I'm not going to go that far. But he takes shots at me all the time, so I'll fire a few back.

His game is pretending to be a photographer. He goes up to young girls, pretending that he's going to make them famous. He then splashes cash on them until they put out.

Corey Wayne gives him just enough game not to creep them completely the fvck out in the process.

He then thinks they are his "girlfriend", writes love poetry about them, and uses numerology/astrology looking for signs that they actually like him due to his very low self-esteem and weasel game that he employs.

Master indeed... actually is including himself among those he considers such now too, according to the post at the top of the page.

Guys a complete buffoon, and he's finally going on my ignore list with Christopher Colombus.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while.

The only thing I like about him is that he uses money, which is basically what I'm counting on.

 

[bigneil]

Last Friday I picked up a woman at the airport that I was recently talking about. She didn't have a shred of clothing on an hour after we got back to my place (and it only took that long because we both needed a few drinks after a long day). Leading up, we often texted back and forth for days. We spent over an hour chatting on the phone on a few occasions.

No doubt there are certain times when your girl is in a romantic mood and wants to spend hours texting - on occasion those can be some of the most important moments of the relationship. I've had days when my girls sent 50-100 texts, and yes, that means super high interest. It's not that you shouldn't send lots of texts, it's that you shouldn't be initiating such conversations, but rather, cultivating and responding to them. Be sure to use seductive language, never complain, never argue, and never talk about bad things (unless she wants to tell you her Story, which IMO should be done over text instead of in person so she doesn't associate you physically with bad things). Remember that one bad text can spoil the mood, so minimize what you say. Especially avoid talking about sex, only respond to her comments about sex.

That said, I find that she should be texting first on a given day, or I won't get that romantic tone from her as often. It's when she is reaching out that you get that. And yes, that is a function of IL.

 

[bigneil]

I'm not going to go that far. But he takes shots at me all the time, so I'll fire a few back.

His game is pretending to be a photographer. He goes up to young girls, pretending that he's going to make them famous. He then splashes cash on them until they put out.

Corey Wayne gives him just enough game not to creep them completely the fvck out in the process.

He then thinks they are his "girlfriend", writes love poetry about them, and uses numerology/astrology looking for signs that they actually like him due to his very low self-esteem and weasel game that he employs.

Master indeed... actually is including himself among those he considers such now too, according to the post at the top of the page.

Guys a complete buffoon, and he's finally going on my ignore list with Christopher Colombus.

"I pretend to be a photographer"?

I work for Apple on camera technology. I earned about $400,000 this year (factoring in taxes). I patented my first computer graphics system (referenced by Pixar, Disney, Microsoft, etc) 15 years ago.

I am an artist and passed up an art scholarship in college.

I delved into professional photography in March of 2016. I've worked with three models. Only one became my girlfriend.

The photos I took of my last girl rated off the charts (three score average of 98, done on two occasions) and not one of you has produced one single photo that beat her top photos on Photofeeler (something else that deesade must dismiss, because 9 months of sex with HB9 21 year old women simply isn't enough to convince him/her that a 46 year old average looking man is a good seducer).

Deesade tried to say that having an HB9 girl initiate texting 5 times per week (71% of the time) isn't that much. He tried to say having sex every 6 days for nearly a year doesn't count as a girlfriend. This is someone pretending to help? I can attest that taking the opposite of his advice is closer to the truth.

Who DOES deesade like? He poo-poo'd every dating coach out there (and I have listened to all of those 8 references I provided for hours - they are all great). Coincidence? We have consensus on Photofeeler that my women are hot, and we have consensus on youtube that my dating strategy is sound. Or you can listen to some presumably short little English bloke who would back down if he were in front of me.

As far as pretending I am unattractive and using money to score, yesterday I had a Publix cashier, age 17 (age of consent here is 16), gushing over me, just talking about her braided hair. I am a master seducer and deesade has steam coming out of his little English ears.

 

[Pandora]

We can disagree on tactics all day, but you're uttering pure falsehoods.

Women don't give a **** about you or any attention you give them until their feelings are involved. You can go jump off a bridge and she wouldn't care. You don't engage a woman's feelings by being her gay male girlfriend or her text buddy. You build attraction, which is done in person then and in her time away from you. Texting destroys her attraction. She can't miss you if you're texting her, guy.

Women do not care how much you like them. This is the biggest falsehood in your post. Your interest level and investment in her is irrelevant. Women care about their interest, not yours.

Real talk

 

[bigneil]

He then thinks they are his "girlfriend"

Indeed, during the Super Bowl when she told me she loved me she said she thought of me as her boyfriend (she was married which did put a damper on things). It was nearly 5 months later, after her divorce, that she left me, but deesade is having a hard time with that whole concept of time.

Anyhow, you would think someone who lives in England would understand the English language, but in his little tantrum deesade revealed he does not:

girl·friend

1. a regular female companion with whom a person has a romantic or sexual relationship.

 

[Pandora]

Lol whatever you say mate. Looks like no-one has liked your original post, which means people see through this garbage.

Have fun with your HB6s.

haha man i am the king of Hb 6's and 6.5/10s lol. A 6/10 is the lowest i would consider for relationship. My 6/10 is different than most. An average looking girl is a 5/10 to me so a 6/10 is slightly above average. I dont think most of the guys on this forum are hooking up with even 6/10s. I may be wrong tho.

This is an interesting debate. I think both sides have merit. Both sides are oversimplifying the issue. It really depends on many factors.

1.) It depends on what part of the USA the chick lives in. If she lives in a small town with limited options then maybe you may be able to make traction through texting all the time. Girls are as loyal as their options. They take the shape of their enviroment.

2.) How crazy is this girl? If she is borderline or has some personality disorder then you may be able to work your magic through showering her with attention via text. If she is the co dependent type it might also work.

3.) How funny are you through text? If you are hilarious through text then she will meet up with you even having met you one time. I have had that happen before. The girl said i was one of the funniest people she talked to. When we met up again it fizzled out because it was fake text attraction and not real chemistry ( long story). This chick was pretty hot too. She was an ex stripper. If you are truly funny it can happen. Funny is the best way to get her to emotionally bond with you via text. She becomes chemically addicted to your humor. Dont text about daily boring stuff. Send her funny memes and say funny stuff.

4.) How interested is she in you to begin with?

There are so many variables. I usually err on the side of what the OP is saying. For hot American girls in metropolitin areas with tons of options it is better to not suffocate them with texts. It is rare that you build attraction through little characters on a screen ( unless you are very funny), but its more common to say something stupid and hurt your chances.

So if you are going to text you better be funny as fu*k and or captivating as f*ck. If you are neither one of those things you will hurt your chances as coming off as a lame who has nothing better to do than text her. No girls definition of Prince Charming is some dude hunched over his phone texting her.