Doesn't matter what you think, hot girls are still sleeping with them.

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Someone else needed to hammer this point home, thanks @BeTheChange.

I used to be a hot guy in his 20's with no money. I would occasionally score really hot women but by age 30 they are coming over and saying "What kind of interest rate did you get on your second car?" and "What are your investments?" and they tell their friends "He's hot, but he's a bartender".

In my 30's I was neither here nor there so it was depressing. I was making about $85K salary which is hard to get and basically just chump change working poor. I got to live the life of a welfare mom with organic food basically, only I paid my own way instead of leeching of taxpayers.

Once I started earning $80 per hour ($160,000 per year), and started wearing a suit and tie, there was never a shortage of beautiful women who were available. Some of them wanted money, but they provide so much sex it builds your confidence to the point where equally hot women are interested in you in general. There is a "fake it till you make it" period, and then you realize women are just a commodity. For (good looking) men willing to pay for it (I do not pay for sex), sex costs about $300 (up to thousands otherwise), so women are happy with decent looking men who make about $600 per day. Hookers and wives both, the former being far more honest. Your girl won't leave you because she knows you make enough by lunch time to have a 19 year old going down on you. Actually, they say a man can be a 1 and marry a hot girl if he makes about $160,000 per year.

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All of that said, there is nothing that repulses me more than thinking that gorgeous women use me for expensive dinners and then dumpster dive with busboys in their spare time. That is always a real possibility when you date much younger women. While I think my current girlfriend is past that stage (mainly because they don't physically satisfy her) I still started working out 6 months ago, bringing my body fat from about 19% (still lean for a man in his 40's) to 12% (lean for a man in his 20's). I try to be as physically fit and strong as possible and this will be something I have to do for life. Nothing can inspire a man like a much younger woman, especially in his 40's. God designed us this way. A man my age can start a whole new family if he is strong.

In the past year I got a new car, kept my contract, got a new apartment, decorated it better, and had the best sex of my life. I owe a lot of that to my girlfriend inspiring me to try to impress her. I look around now and realize that instead of living in a crappy place and being sort of chubby I'm in a really nice place and I'm sort of lean. So even if she leaves me, finding another girl will be that much easier, as will going without one.
 

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Is that you when you were young on the picture, Neil? Sorry, I had to ask ;)
 

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Is that you when you were young on the picture, Neil? Sorry, I had to ask ;)
My photo is Secret Agent aka Danger Man Patrick McGoohan circa 1960, then age 30.

Though my best friend said I do look like him.
 

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You know what's funny about these threads.

You never see rich older guys coming in here saying "yeah you're right fellas, money and age don't help at all". But yet you see plenty of the poorer, younger crowd trying to tell us it's not important, even though they haven't even had the lived experience to support their claim.

Boys, if you are broke or under 30 you have no idea what it's like to be someone like bigneil, Atom_smasher, guru, etc. With that in mind, I'd rather put money on that camp being right than Don't Listen to Olly and co.
I don't believe stories on the internet dear boy.
 

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I don't believe stories on the internet dear boy.
Ok, but we don't believe you when you say you don't believe us.

"Dear boy"? Cringe. You really are a girl.

So why are you online if you can't believe any information here?

As readers see, feigning ignorance, playing dumb and demanding impossible proof is no "argument". The are Disinformation strategies used by feminists who come here to disrupt men from connecting.

All we know is that I posted women I claim to be dating, and you posted no such women.

And of course readers who don't believe me can PM me for proof.

 

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...as a general rule more educated and intelligent women are a better bet overall.
Indeed, my girlfriend has a really high IQ. That's probably why she is growing to be more compatible with me over time. Having watched so many women go down the path to slvthood, it's nice to see one stopping and turning around and retreating from that path. No, she is not the type to sleep with drunk, bisexual college hipsters on daddy's credit card.
 

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So HB11 walks in a closed-room full of rich-millionnaires.... who does she leave with ?
 

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All of that said, there is nothing that repulses me more than thinking that gorgeous women use me for expensive dinners and then dumpster dive with busboys in their spare time.
This is a major chink in your frame. The sexy busboy has far more potential to threaten your conception of reality than you do his. Whoever reacts least has higher value--and you're reacting to him before he even exists. Plus, you're letting your investment in one area of your life spill over into your investment in a girl who's done absolutely--nothing--to earn that level of investment; and allowing her, having absolutely no qualifications to make that judgement, determine your value relative to other men.

Women will fvck who they want to fvck. Sometimes that's you, sometimes it's the other guy. Sometimes it's you, plus a couple more simultaneously. Gross, yeah, but the quicker you can accept that on an emotional level the more consistently your behavior will be attractive & the less likely that is to happen.

Indeed, my girlfriend has a really high IQ. That's probably why she is growing to be more compatible with me over time. Having watched so many women go down the path to slvthood, it's nice to see one stopping and turning around and retreating from that path. No, she is not the type to sleep with drunk, bisexual college hipsters on daddy's credit card.
Careful. Even non-BPD girls mirror to an extent. Submitting to strong frames & all that. Don't mistake her virtues for your own ;) Know that sounds highly cynical but every girl below the age of 25 or so is one or two slvtty friends, one music festival, one scumbag with game, away from full blown CC rider. Watch it happen all the time--even with the nicest girls you've ever seen.
 

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This is a major chink in your frame. The sexy busboy has far more potential to threaten your conception of reality than you do his. Whoever reacts least has higher value--and you're reacting to him before he even exists.
I don't let girls know that directly, but indirectly. For example, when a recent date confirmed but asked what time she would be home after our dinner date that night, I flaked 2 hours before the date. She asked me out for that weekend in her immediate reply, but I had shut my phone off for 3 days so I ultimately flaked again. She reached out again when I finally replied so we'll still get together, but I set boundaries that way.
 

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Women will fvck who they want to fvck. Sometimes that's you, sometimes it's the other guy. Sometimes it's you, plus a couple more simultaneously. Gross, yeah, but the quicker you can accept that on an emotional level the more consistently your behavior will be attractive & the less likely that is to happen
I agree that on an emotional/maturity level you should be ready for anything. But no one NEEDS to accept a woman who is banging the busboy. That is just buying into her frame.
 

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I agree that on an emotional/maturity level you should be ready for anything. But no one NEEDS to accept a woman who is banging the busboy. That is just buying into her frame.
Every woman you've ever dated has fvcked/is fvcking/or will fvck a guy 'less deserving' of her intimacy than you are. Ok, super rare exceptions--like if she's a virgin and you & she live happily ever after--but let's be real. That's not her frame, that's just her nature. Just like 'the sky is blue' isn't a frame; it just is. Even in societies where adultery is met with stones and familial shame, this stuff happens.

Yeah, it'll have been a 'mistake' (if you ever find out). Yeah, 'she isn't like that anymore' (if you ever find out). Yeah, 'she used to go for guys like that buy you've shown her the way' (if you ever find out). If you date older women (but I won't) then you're probably out of the mud, so to speak--but she still shouldn't be a standard for your self worth or some narrative you tell yourself about how you only date 'quality women.' Different girls in different circumstances have different floors & different ceilings, of course; but men consistently delude themselves on this front.

The only thing you can control is your time, attention, commitment, behaviors & (with some training) emotions. And I'm by no means saying you're not obligated to have standards on how you invest those things or that you shouldn't try to find the best possible women (based on what you know about her and all that) but if you're ego's invested then you will experience the pain of devalidation and you'll experience it unnecessarily since biology is really a pretty impersonal thing.
 

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I saw a hot girl with a hipster at a party recently. My first thought was wow, she's with him? Then the next instant he started whining about not knowing where they should sit and asking her to tell him.

A lot of women, and I think often small, petite women especially, have a need for a man that is not threatening, at least in a relationship sense. I'm pretty sure I saw a look of disgust on that girl's face at the party, though. Just because you see them together doesn't mean that he is the object of her sex fantasies.
 

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So you don't believe anything they say but presumably we should believe you? Interesting logic dear boy.
You don't have to believe me, but I will argue my claims aren't as bombastic and preposterous as other's claims on this site.
 

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A lot of women, and I think often small, petite women especially, have a need for a man that is not threatening, at least in a relationship sense.
It can go both ways though. Some small, petite women go for big, strong guys because they feel safer with them around. They know they can't protect themselves, so they go for a guy who can.
 

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You don't have to believe me, but I will argue my claims aren't as bombastic and preposterous as other's claims on this site.
This translates to: (fists clenched, foot stomping and screaming "Whaaah!!!")

Not an argument. An argument is supposed to state claims, provide evidence, apply references and use statistics and examples. You know, guy stuff.
 
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