Random ramblings for the night

[RichardTheFrog]

I went to a bar and didn't talk to anyone...

I was thinking about the red pill. It doesn't lead to a happy life and it is hard to keep that mindset when you're out and looking at people. Perhaps I should just accept that as part of female nature and then still try to deal with them.

If any female is going to become invested in you, then you are going to have to be helping her in some tangible or material way.

All talk about pills aside, I still have no game. I can't even start a conversation. I barely look people in the eye, let alone act in any dominant or alpha ways, which I'm told I'm supposed to act like.

I think I scare girls at some level. Like I'm a psycho. I have lots of anger.

Perhaps I am an incompetent suitor, but I don't know why this is. I can't pinpoint specific reasons. Is it because I don't have enough money? Is it because I'm not tall enough? Don't have good enough social skills? Hopefully I can fix these things if I can ever identify them.

By the time I work up the courage to talk to a girl, I will find out she already has kids, a boyfriend, or a husband.

In the rare opportunity that something arises, I can't be scared to escalate.

I am starting to think that there is no way for me to win this game.

Am I really "red pilling," or is this a case of... "you can't fire me because I quit." Was I ever in the game in the first place and will I ever be? Am I doomed to be a loser for eternity unless I can pay girls?

Even if I take the "red pill," nothing will stop me from waking up thinking about sex. My strongest biological urge is to have sex with women that are morally depraved and evil and just want to use me.

Instead of going MGTOW, should I devote my life to meeting the hypergamy standard of today's women? That would be easy. Just get rich.

I am reminded of a quote from The Mystery Method that says "never be apathetic" when talking to a girl. You must always put lots of energy into it and really care about the interaction. I am finding this difficult to impossible because I truly don't care that much about them.

I'm jealous of other guys that are successful because I would think at this point in my life, there would at least be ONE girl who is interested in me, right!?!?? I feel like I've earned at least that and to cut through all the games, etc. but apparently that's not going to happen.

If I was rich, would that give them the "'gina tingles?".... Nothing else I'm doing is.

I also think that most girls are BORING AS ****. Even if you manage to cut through the 1,000 layers of ego to get to the real person in front of you, that person will end up being boring and probably stupid.

Most females have False Confidence. If they were males, they would be scrutinized and broken down mercilessly, but they're not. At any hint of challenging this False Confidence of a woman, she will run away, or even call people to come help her. How dare you insult her like that! Don't you know who she is?!??!!

Red pill: There's no such thing as a good girl. It's probably 1 in a million to even find one who is a decent human being.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

Over analysis leads to peralisis. It seems to me your over analyzing things and I'm sure your correct in most of your assumptions but those are your crosses to bare. These women and most people in general that you meet have enough of their own drama that they go through on a daily basis so they don't want to baby or mother you or me. Does that suck yes it would be nice if people had our backs in life the way we wanted them to but the cold hard truth is most people never will unless you pay them to sit on their couch (psychologist) or their your mother.

So try to change your perspective or at least departmentalize certain areas of your life. Go out meet people without expectations and assumptions about them get to meet them with the real you not the over analyzing you don't like something about them get over it there's nothing you can do about anyone other than yourself. Will you hate people yeah most of them but will you find some gems yes you might as long as you search far and wide. For the most part people are drawn to positive people. I'm not saying you have to be fake. I'm just saying search for that other person inside you that has that positive adventure personality. You just turned down the wrong road turn yourself around and keep it moving till your heads back above water.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Over analysis leads to peralisis. It seems to me your over analyzing things and I'm sure your correct in most of your assumptions but those are your crosses to bare. These women and most people in general that you meet have enough of their own drama that they go through on a daily basis so they don't want to baby or mother you or me. Does that suck yes it would be nice if people had our backs in life the way we wanted them to but the cold hard truth is most people never will unless you pay them to sit on their couch (psychologist) or their your mother.

So try to change your perspective or at least departmentalize certain areas of your life. Go out meet people without expectations and assumptions about them get to meet them with the real you not the over analyzing you don't like something about them get over it there's nothing you can do about anyone other than yourself. Will you hate people yeah most of them but will you find some gems yes you might as long as you search far and wide. For the most part people are drawn to positive people. I'm not saying you have to be fake. I'm just saying search for that other person inside you that has that positive adventure personality. You just turned down the wrong road turn yourself around and keep it moving till your heads back above water.

What am I overanalyzing? All the red pill MGTOW stuff? It all makes perfect sense to me. Are you saying that I should forget that I know it?

It's kind of hard to fake an outgoing personality when I don't have one. I'm basically just depressed and seeing life as pointless ever since I've educated myself about all the red pill stuff.

I don't think anything will ever stop me from waking up thinking about sex. As recently as last week, my strategy was to impress. Dress nice. Buy a nice car. Get rich. And maybe this is still my strategy. I just have to understand that girls will just be "utilizing" me for my money.

Also, I have that pesky little criminal record that will scare many girls away. I was arrested for cyberstalking in 2009 and did 4 years. Even $1,000,000 might not be enough for girls to overlook that.

But at the same time, I don't really care about them like I used to just last week. I see them for who they are. Selfish as ****, and nihilistic and solipsistic (my 2 new favorite words). I don't trust them and I shouldn't.

I'm going to get old and sick and die and I don't think any of these girls would give a **** if I caught cancer right now. Yet I have to spend my whole life and change my whole personality just to impress them, so I can get a chance of sex that isn't even worth it in the first place? Thank God for prostitutes.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

No what ever makes sense to you you have to trust after all it's your path and not mine I'm just spitting from my perspective. If MGTOW works for you have at it.

From this side of the conversation it seems like your over analyzing everything women, mgtow, redpill, going out, yourself, how girls see you, hypergamy, jealous of other men etc...

I did not say to fake it, but look in a way me and you are talking right now. If we were at a restaurant or somewhere public we would strike up a conversation just like we did on here so it's not like you can't you do have it in you for what ever reason you make choices not to.

Look man your past is in your past if you keep bringing it up your making it part of your present and future. You know how many people have women that stay in their life while in jail and convicted criminals so what your just one more it's not the end of the world.

It just seems like you need to go out relax have a good time for yourself without looking for something in return enjoy yourself and meet people for the sake of meeting them. That will help you with your interpersonal skills and in turn that will help you with women. It will not happen over night but it will happen.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

No what ever makes sense to you you have to trust after all it's your path and not mine I'm just spitting from my perspective. If MGTOW works for you have at it.

From this side of the conversation it seems like your over analyzing everything women, mgtow, redpill, going out, yourself, how girls see you, hypergamy, jealous of other men etc...

I did not say to fake it, but look in a way me and you are talking right now. If we were at a restaurant or somewhere public we would strike up a conversation just like we did on here so it's not like you can't you do have it in you for what ever reason you make choices not to.

Look man your past is in your past if you keep bringing it up your making it part of your present and future. You know how many people have women that stay in their life while in jail and convicted criminals so what your just one more it's not the end of the world.

It just seems like you need to go out relax have a good time for yourself without looking for something in return enjoy yourself and meet people for the sake of meeting them. That will help you with your interpersonal skills and in turn that will help you with women. It will not happen over night but it will happen.

Yea I don't know what to make of all this red pill MGTOW stuff, or what role it will play in my life.

But as far as for right now, I've met very many good-looking girls on Seeking Arrangement that will meet me for a price. I'm okay with that for now. At least I Get to have sex.

Then, when I go out, if I ever actually get to have sex for free, that will be like a treat. I'm beginning to realize that sex isn't meant to be free.

My bar game right now is.... I sit there and don't say a word. Not much "game," at all. But could you imagine if I started asking girls in bars for sex for money?

I would get kicked out of every bar in town.

I really don't want to be miserable my whole life.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

So, the same guy who last week says women are evil, also admits to having no game. Well what do you know.

At least you have the foresight to see your own issues. Which means you can change. It's not easy and does't happen over night. But you can change.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

So, the same guy who last week says women are evil, also admits to having no game. Well what do you know.

At least you have the foresight to see your own issues. Which means you can change. It's not easy and does't happen over night. But you can change.

Well they're not making it any easier for me. I am starting to wonder if they just don't find me attractive enough.

I want to be having lots of sex, but they're not giving it to me. And I don't think the problem is that I can't think of clever little conversation lines. This is like a problem that I cannot solve. Like there is something prohibiting me from gaining access to their vaginas, but I don't know what it is.

I bet Chad Thundercock doesn't hate women. He probably has girls offering him money.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Is my life just going to be one frustrating day after another? Wondering why I won't be granted access to the secret club, if such a thing exists?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Like there is something prohibiting me from gaining access to their vaginas, but I don't know what it is.

It's your own attitude towards the situation.

If you explain what you're actually doing about gaining access, then maybe we can start unraveling where you're going wrong, and begin coming up with solutions.

At the moment, you're just spouting vague platitudes and rhetoric which just makes me think you haven't done any background reading and want the 'magic bullet' to solve all your problems (which doesn't exist, btw), or you're just a troll.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

It's your own attitude towards the situation.

If you explain what you're actually doing about gaining access, then maybe we can start unraveling where you're going wrong, and begin coming up with solutions.

At the moment, you're just spouting vague platitudes and rhetoric which just makes me think you haven't done any background reading and want the 'magic bullet' to solve all your problems (which doesn't exist, btw), or you're just a troll.

So you're saying if I'm just more positive, things will start looking up for me?

Several times recently, girls have come up to me and tried started conversations, but I can't even hold one. A few weeks ago a super hot girl came up to me and told that I looked nice and all I could say was "thanks." I was very drunk.

Currently, I just go out and drink beer after beer. Nothing even gets started. Not even a conversation.

This, coupled with all the red pill knowledge I've recently been filling myself with has painted a bleak outlook for my future with women.

I've read every PUA book in the world.

Currently, I'm just meeting girls on Seeking Arrangement that will pay per meet. They want anywhere from $300-$750. I'm wondering if paying for sex is all I have to look forward to, or if that is just the natural order of things anyway. I know wives that charge their husbands for sex. It's ridiculous.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

K. Usually, I would stop to help. But to be honest, your world view is just too warped, even for me. You've really got to start right back at the beginning. You either have absolutely zero self esteem, or you are a troll. Do you have the mental faculties to understand why I arrive at those conclusions?

One suggestion; why not try just going out on a normal night out and enjoying the company of others. I'd forget about pulling women for now. Just learn how to socialise with people normally. The way you come out with all these skewed genalisations about women, I'm not surprised none of them want to fck you.... are you??

 

[RichardTheFrog]

K. Usually, I would stop to help. But to be honest, your world view is just too warped, even for me. You've really got to start right back at the beginning. You either have absolutely zero self esteem, or you are a troll. Do you have the mental faculties to understand why I arrive at those conclusions?

One suggestion; why not try just going out on a normal night out and enjoying the company of others. I'd forget about pulling women for now. Just learn how to socialise with people normally. The way you come out with all these skewed genalisations about women, I'm not surprised none of them want to fck you.... are you??

But I wasn't born with these generalizations. Am I thinking negative things about them or am I seeing the truth?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

But I wasn't born with these generalizations. Am I thinking negative things about them or am I seeing the truth?

You're taking a few word of mouth examples and transforming them in to unconditional universal truths, because of a few bad experiences of your own.

Like I ALWAYS (seem to have to) say, there are very few if any binary answers in the universe. For everyone of your 'rules' about women, I bet I can come up with at least two examples to which that rule does not apply.

I'd talk to a professional if you're actually being serious about this. Your thought processing is not very dynamic at the moment and you're displaying quite poor judgement, even by local standards.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

If you still can't accept and try to apply the advice given to you by the people on here then you may want to look in to some professional help like I and others said. After all we are just giving you our perspective on things and how we have or would approach a similar situation. I personally have never had to deal with some of the things you are dealing with.

It seems to me you need to reboot and see the world in a different light. Yes women can be all and more of what you say but it can only effect you if you let it. So don't let it. Easier said than done but that's where boundaries, walls and protecting yourself first comes in. Failure is part of everyone's life the master has failed more times then the beginner has even tried.

 

[Mike32ct]

I went to a bar and didn't talk to anyone...

That should have worked according to some Tom Leykis theory lol.

I was thinking about the red pill. It doesn't lead to a happy life and it is hard to keep that mindset when you're out and looking at people. Perhaps I should just accept that as part of female nature and then still try to deal with them.

If any female is going to become invested in you, then you are going to have to be helping her in some tangible or material way.

All talk about pills aside, I still have no game. I can't even start a conversation. I barely look people in the eye, let alone act in any dominant or alpha ways, which I'm told I'm supposed to act like.

I think I scare girls at some level. Like I'm a psycho. I have lots of anger.

Perhaps I am an incompetent suitor, but I don't know why this is. I can't pinpoint specific reasons. Is it because I don't have enough money? Is it because I'm not tall enough? Don't have good enough social skills? Hopefully I can fix these things if I can ever identify them.

The strange thing is that we may NEVER identify the exact reason(s). Women won't tell us. We just end up working to fix what we can fix and think we should fix.

By the time I work up the courage to talk to a girl, I will find out she already has kids, a boyfriend, or a husband.

I'm looking for a divorcee in her "revenge F" phase lol.

In the rare opportunity that something arises, I can't be scared to escalate.

I am starting to think that there is no way for me to win this game.

Am I really "red pilling," or is this a case of... "you can't fire me because I quit." Was I ever in the game in the first place and will I ever be? Am I doomed to be a loser for eternity unless I can pay girls?

Even if I take the "red pill," nothing will stop me from waking up thinking about sex. My strongest biological urge is to have sex with women that are morally depraved and evil and just want to use me.

Instead of going MGTOW, should I devote my life to meeting the hypergamy standard of today's women? That would be easy. Just get rich.

I am reminded of a quote from The Mystery Method that says "never be apathetic" when talking to a girl. You must always put lots of energy into it and really care about the interaction. I am finding this difficult to impossible because I truly don't care that much about them.

I'm not sure about that. I think some guys can pull off a chill, even boring vibe with women, provided she's attracted.

I'm jealous of other guys that are successful because I would think at this point in my life, there would at least be ONE girl who is interested in me, right!?!?? I feel like I've earned at least that and to cut through all the games, etc. but apparently that's not going to happen.

If I was rich, would that give them the "'gina tingles?".... Nothing else I'm doing is.

I also think that most girls are BORING AS ****. Even if you manage to cut through the 1,000 layers of ego to get to the real person in front of you, that person will end up being boring and probably stupid.

Most females have False Confidence. If they were males, they would be scrutinized and broken down mercilessly, but they're not. At any hint of challenging this False Confidence of a woman, she will run away, or even call people to come help her. How dare you

Females could never endure the rejections that a lot of males deal with.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Females could never endure the rejections that a lot of males deal with.

Females live their entire life on easy street, yet they still manage to complain about every little thing all while thinking they're super special.

If there were no law to protect them, a man could take anything he wanted from a female and she couldn't do **** about it. A girl can be a complete ***** just for fun and not have to worry about getting her ass beat even if she deserves it.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

Females could never endure the rejections that a lot of males deal with.

They start to get a taste of it in their 30 if their not locked down in a marriage. Then by their 40s all bets are off they start going crazy because the loss of male attention.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

They start to get a taste of it in their 30 if their not locked down in a marriage. Then by their 40s all bets are off they start going crazy because the loss of male attention.

And then they become an even more useless version of the useless thing they always were. The thing is, no one noticed they were useless while they were young because they were pretty.

You should hear some of the stupid **** that comes out of young, pretty girls mouths. Well, I'm sure you have.

 

[Mike32ct]

They start to get a taste of it in their 30 if their not locked down in a marriage. Then by their 40s all bets are off they start going crazy because the loss of male attention.

Then they retire from men/sex and go full cat lady WGTOW.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Then they retire from men/sex and go full cat lady WGTOW.

All while milking some guys alimony.

I seriously have been so depressed since I "swallowed the red pill," about a week ago. I used to wake up and go to sleep thinking about making tons of money so that I could impress strippers and Hooters girls, etc.

Now, it's like I lost the main motivation to my life.

My only hope is that I can somehow masterfully manipulate the game now that I have red pill knowledge.

What does it mean to "win" anyway? Does that mean have sex? I could do that any time I want for a few hundred bucks.

But I don't hate women as much as the guys on the MGTOW forums because I haven't been ripped off like they have. Nothing will stop me from waking up thinking about sex. I just hope I can navigate this masterfully given my newfound knowledge.

This would also include staying free of STD's, but do you know how hard it is to want to wear a condom for oral sex? I'm playing Russian roulette with these sugar babies mouths.