Men don't cheat. Women don't cheat, they deceive

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**** is not of much value, ***** is = there's billions of sperm in a man and just a few eggs in a woman = simple economical concept -> the more rare a thing is, the higher it's price and vice versa AND, TIME is the most valuable asset men can give to a woman. If a man is giving you his time, as a woman, you gonna feel good as ****. Women are after men's time and attention like men are after women's *****.

Based on this, when a man "cheats" on his partner, in most cases, he is giving this other woman his **** and a short amount of time = most of his time goes to his wife/girlfriend anyways. So, he is still giving his most valuable asset to this woman + this is his default reproduction strategy -> **** as many women as you can so that you have as many offspring as possible because that equates to higher chances of that gene set surviving in the world. Priority wise, he can **** two women on the side and still give his time and attention and resources to one specific women he considers the best option to raise his children.

On the other hand, when a woman cheats, it's more complicated. Since ***** and eggs is her highest valuable asset and ***** has such a high value, she is going to be picky. A lot of people want the eggs so she can pick and she does. Whenever a woman is giving her ***** to her lover and to her husband/boyfriend, she is literally deceiving or possibly going to deceive this man in sth very important: a child.

In a lot of cases, women **** the lover and they conceive his child. In a lot of cases, noone of the parties involved knows about this. The women gets pregnant, she doesn't know she is pregnant with this other guy's child cause they always used contraceptive or condoms or pull out, her husband/boyfriend doesn't know and the real father, the other guy, doesn't know either. The man that's being deceived here is the husband/boyfriend cause he is going to raise a child that's not his. He will give this child and his/her mother his most valuable assets: time, resources, attention AND all this, for a child that is not going to pass on his gene set, but some other guy's and this woman's gene set. What just happened is that this woman chose what she perceives to be her most alpha guy at that time, at that place, and ****ed him to get his sperm and his genes while she delegates, knowingly or unknowingly, the bringing up feature to the husband/boyfriend.

That is why cheating is a concept created by women to keep guys in line. They don't cheat, they do something even worse from a moral standpoint, they deceive and their deceiving is brutal and cruel cause it often leads to a guy's gene set going extinct. On the other hand, in most cases, men cheat simply because that's our nature and to add to this, we cannot deceive women because we're engaging in a selfish act that doesn't damage our partner, be it wife of girlfriend, in any way cause we end up having children with them anyways so their gene set is passed on, too.
 

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What the fuck did I just read? Are you on drugs?

This is the largest amount of mental masturbation I have ever seen to justify men cheating. Cheating is deception regardless of who does it, because lies are told to keep the cover. You can be as convinced of this as you want, but I think very very few is going to buy it.

This is the dumbest post I've read on this forum, dead serious. 0/10
 
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Only losers cheat.
 

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Since when did sosuave become a community where ideas are put down and deemed as "stupid" and "loser"? I am not presenting only my ideas in this post, this is biology and science + things that happen everyday in real life. Anyways, I'll wait a while longer for some person that wants to share their ideas about this and not simply try to put mine down LOL

I am not justifying cheating, I am trynna discuss cheating because it is a social construct. I hope sosuave is a community where you can discuss "taboo" topics. And it is so ironic for cheating to be a taboo here LOL
 

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Well that's why there was always that stigma of a guy screwing a million women being a totally awesome stud, whereas a woman screwing a million men makes her a slut. It is biology. I've discussed this before sometime last year. This is one of the 'darker' sides of biology and most people would rather not hear about. Here's another aspect about cheating that makes it even worse when a woman does it vs a man: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/thread...-worse-than-a-man-cheating-on-a-woman.237239/
 

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I can see what you're trying to get at but a case could easily be made for a situation where the side dude was aware it was his baby but didn't tell the husband. That would also make the man complicit in the deception as well.
 

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So when a man cheats and the woman does not know, isn't that "deception" as well?
 

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So when a man cheats and the woman does not know, isn't that "deception" as well?
Yes, omission of the truth to anyone in a matter like this, is a lie and deception.
It's often used to make the deceiver feel better about themselves, aka - 'I am not a liar!!', so women use this tactic more often than men.
 
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So when a man cheats and the woman does not know, isn't that "deception" as well?
It is, but the damage they can cause you as a man when they **** another man is way bigger than what you can cause them. As I put it up there, let's supposed you are the last male standing of your family, your geneset. Your wife cheats on you with another guy, you raise this kid's child without knowing it so your whole geneset goes extinct. Biologically speaking, this is a disaster to you.

On the other hand, you cheat on your wife, I am not saying we should encourage it or that it's good, I am just saying the only thing you are deceiving her of is the truth. You are lying to her, but your lie can, at most, cause her to be upset. Her lie, in return...
 

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I can see what you're trying to get at but a case could easily be made for a situation where the side dude was aware it was his baby but didn't tell they husband. That would also make the man complicit in the deception as well.
Totally possible, I am certain it happens more than we think. But I think we agree that the deceived man is still the most losing person in all this.
 

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I am not justifying cheating, I am trynna discuss cheating because it is a social construct. I hope sosuave is a community where you can discuss "taboo" topics. And it is so ironic for cheating to be a taboo here LOL
You're discussing it, so the topic is not taboo. That doesn't mean everyone will agree with you, though.

Usually, when I hear that such and such is a "social construct", that says to me that person is trying to rationalize or justify that behavior.
 

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You're discussing it, so the topic is not taboo. That doesn't mean everyone will agree with you, though.

Usually, when I hear that such and such is a "social construct", that says to me that person is trying to rationalize or justify that behavior.
And I am not seeking everyone to agree with me. But calling someone's ideas "stupid" right off the bat...doesn;'t seem to me a constructive way of debating something, that's all. My point was that in the system we live in, women get to, pretty much, be true to their nature, biologically and psychologically, meaning they get to be the picky ones. On the other hand, men get to have their own true nature which is to **** around as much as they can, labelled as "cheating" and "bad".
 

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Since when did sosuave become a community where ideas are put down and deemed as "stupid" and "loser"? I am not presenting only my ideas in this post, this is biology and science + things that happen everyday in real life. Anyways, I'll wait a while longer for some person that wants to share their ideas about this and not simply try to put mine down LOL

I am not justifying cheating, I am trynna discuss cheating because it is a social construct. I hope sosuave is a community where you can discuss "taboo" topics. And it is so ironic for cheating to be a taboo here LOL
Pfft, this isn't a safe space. Share whatever idea you want, unfiltered. Then I will share whatever opinion I want, unfiltered. If you're gonna shut me up then I suggest you shut up as well. It doesn't work the way where you get to say whatever you want and we can't give our unfiltered opinion, if you can't handle criticism then shut up. Just like in the real world.

I'm putting down your idea because I really do think it's stupid, deal with it. You even go so far as to pseudoscientifically incorporate biology and call it science, this is NOT science, it's a work of your imagination.
 

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My point was that in the system we live in, women get to, pretty much, be true to their nature, biologically and psychologically, meaning they get to be the picky ones. On the other hand, men get to have their own true nature which is to **** around as much as they can, labelled as "cheating" and "bad".
Well, I agree with what you're saying regarding the women.

As for the men, guys who bang a lot of women are generally admired - if all the women are attractive. If they just bang anything, not so much. But the main thing is that if a man fvcks around as much as he can, that is not cheating. It's only cheating if he enters into an agreement with the girl to be exclusive. In that case he is either being deliberately deceptive, or else just weak (he can't live up to his word). A guy can just stay a bachelor, and screw around as much as he wants, if that's so important to him. Then he won't be a cheater.
 

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Pfft, this isn't a safe space. Share whatever idea you want, unfiltered. Then I will share whatever opinion I want, unfiltered. If you're gonna shut me up then I suggest you shut up as well. It doesn't work the way where you get to say whatever you want and we can't give our unfiltered opinion, if you can't handle criticism then shut up. Just like in the real world.

I'm putting down your idea because I really do think it's stupid, deal with it. You even go so far as to pseudoscientifically incorporate biology and call it science, this is NOT science, it's a work of your imagination.
That;s not pseudoscience, that's science. But anyways, you're free to call me or my theory whatever you want. At least have an opinion that counters my arguments with arguments, not a "this is stupid" kinda thing.

LOL the only thing you've said up to here is that this is stupid. What exactly is stupid? What is false? Give me sources to information that speaks otherwise.
 

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LOL the only thing you've said up to here is that this is stupid. What exactly is stupid? What is false? Give me sources to information that speaks otherwise.
First you must understand what cheating actually is, at it's core it's deception. If a woman becomes exclusive with a man it's cheating if she has sex with any other man. If a man becomes exclusive with a woman it's also cheating if he has sex with any other woman. There is no explaining that away, even with science because a promise was made and then broken. So it's deception regardless of who does it.

It's a complicated mess if either cheat and get kids. If a man cheats with a woman then his exclusive girlfriend/wife probably doesn't know, this is deceptive. If he gets kids with this other woman, then what? He will probably want to spend his resources on that kid, but the fact that his exclusive woman doesn't know about it complicates that. What if the other woman is also cheating? You'd be contributing to the problem you don't like existing.

Of course women are from a biological standpoint capable of deception through having sex with another guy and having the first guy raise it. Not much we can do about that except being critical of which woman we choose. Men cheating is definitely deception, a deception when found out often leads to the woman leaving. Meaning she doesn't want the genes of a liar and cheater.

The reason people shouldn't cheat is because it has the potential to destabilize society, and that's bad for everyone in it. This includes men, the deception is just different because the biology is different.
 

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First you must understand what cheating actually is, at it's core it's deception. If a woman becomes exclusive with a man it's cheating if she has sex with any other man. If a man becomes exclusive with a woman it's also cheating if he has sex with any other woman. There is no explaining that away, even with science because a promise was made and then broken. So it's deception regardless of who does it.

It's a complicated mess if either cheat and get kids. If a man cheats with a woman then his exclusive girlfriend/wife probably doesn't know, this is deceptive. If he gets kids with this other woman, then what? He will probably want to spend his resources on that kid, but the fact that his exclusive woman doesn't know about it complicates that. What if the other woman is also cheating? You'd be contributing to the problem you don't like existing.

Of course women are from a biological standpoint capable of deception through having sex with another guy and having the first guy raise it. Not much we can do about that except being critical of which woman we choose. Men cheating is definitely deception, a deception when found out often leads to the woman leaving. Meaning she doesn't want the genes of a liar and cheater.

The reason people shouldn't cheat is because it has the potential to destabilize society, and that's bad for everyone in it. This includes men, the deception is just different because the biology is different.
You've stated in a previous thread you created, http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/boned-a-prostitute-and-cheated.236798/ , that you cheated on your girlfriend by paying a random woman to have sex with you but the experience itself confirmed how much you love your girlfriend and how your "heart and body is just for her.

Besides cheating on her, what other ways could you have "confirmed" your love for your girlfriend? Does it take a moral shortcoming to be grateful for what you have?

You've of course avoided telling her. The circumstances of your incident probably will prevent you from ever having to outright verbally lie to her face, but through omission you are inadvertently lying to her face every time she looks at you and believes you're someone your not. That is deception.

Do you think it would be worth it if you came clean, and got it off your conscience (assuming deception through omission periodically bothers you)? Do you think a statute of limitations exists on cheating and deception? Or that if the incident qualifies as "barely cheating", and you're confident that your girlfriend will never find out, that it serves in the best interest of anyone to keep your secret to yourself?

Ignorance is bliss I guess, but would your girlfriend stay with you if you decided to end your ongoing deception? Would you
come clean even if risked the continuance of the relationship with your girlfriend? Is this girl worth being honest to, even if it means it breaks her heart and ends the relationship? If you love her and care about her, does her positive feelings about the relationship (which rely on false pretenses) justify the ongoing deception? At the end of day, do you weigh the pros and cons of honesty and deception and decide on a per case basis as to which to use? Is continued deception worth it to protect people's feelings and the ramifications of cheating?

I am genuinely interested in every question I asked. I'm not trying to be intrusive. But you have a strong opinion against the OP (rightfully so)... but you have firsthand experience regarding this topic, so I think it would benefit others who are dilly dallying around with the idea of cheating to hear your insight.
 

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First you must understand what cheating actually is, at it's core it's deception. If a woman becomes exclusive with a man it's cheating if she has sex with any other man. If a man becomes exclusive with a woman it's also cheating if he has sex with any other woman. There is no explaining that away, even with science because a promise was made and then broken. So it's deception regardless of who does it.

It's a complicated mess if either cheat and get kids. If a man cheats with a woman then his exclusive girlfriend/wife probably doesn't know, this is deceptive. If he gets kids with this other woman, then what? He will probably want to spend his resources on that kid, but the fact that his exclusive woman doesn't know about it complicates that. What if the other woman is also cheating? You'd be contributing to the problem you don't like existing.

Of course women are from a biological standpoint capable of deception through having sex with another guy and having the first guy raise it. Not much we can do about that except being critical of which woman we choose. Men cheating is definitely deception, a deception when found out often leads to the woman leaving. Meaning she doesn't want the genes of a liar and cheater.

The reason people shouldn't cheat is because it has the potential to destabilize society, and that's bad for everyone in it. This includes men, the deception is just different because the biology is different.
Do you even live in the real world? Women don't want the genes of cheaters and liars? Do you know how many women get knocked up by the bad boys and the thugs and people like that who not only cheat and lie, but also steal from them and treat them like dog****? I mean...
 

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Do you even live in the real world? Women don't want the genes of cheaters and liars? Do you know how many women get knocked up by the bad boys and the thugs and people like that who not only cheat and lie, but also steal from them and treat them like dog****? I mean...
Women marry guys who molest their children too. That doesn't mean we should emulate their behavior.
 

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Women marry guys who molest their children too. That doesn't mean we should emulate their behavior.
I am not saying that. But saying women will leave a guy because his genes are those of a liar and cheater does not really comply with the real world.
 

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