Married guy from church in for some rough times

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Thought I'd relay a recent story of something that I learned about a guy I know from my church. He and his wife are probably a couple years younger than I am, but we've known them for a while and occasionally talk. On this it was just him with the kids.

He came over to shoot the sh!t with myself and some other guys who were talking. At one point he chimes in about a recent problem he had because he has to sell all of his furniture. So of course I ask what happened, he said he was moving and apparently all of his current furniture wouldn't fit through the door. I thought wtf? Seriously? I also must have given off the same look, but I asked anyway,

Me: "whoa, what? I mean you checked the place out pretty well beforehand right?"

Him: "Yeah it's just the main door is kind of narrow. So I'm selling everything I've got and then buy some new stuff that will fit"

Different guy: "Did you get the house inspected? Did you at least do a walkthrough of everything?"

Him: "It's an apartment"


So immediately I'm thinking, whoa! WTF is going on here? He lived in a decent home in a nice suburb, and now he's in an apartment? Immediately i start wondering if he's having wife problems, but then catch myself and at least try to not rush to judgment of him. He's a decent guy, maybe he sold his house and is in-between right now. Sometimes sh!t happens and maybe this is one of those situations. I did not pry any further since I didn't want to be rude.

So the convo dies off, he walks over to talk to some other people. Myself and 2 other guys are still standing around, and the one guy who was in the convo above says aloud "Wow, I didn't know any of that. Hope he's not having marital problems". I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this.

So a couple days later I happen to be talking to my wife and mention to her "Did you know (this guy) is moving into an apartment?" She replies "NO! No way....wow, that kinda makes sense though. I saw on her facebook page she's been posting a lot of updates recently about going out drinking with her girlfriends though".

And there it is.

Yeah my wife has been facebook friends with his wife for a while, but like I mentioned earlier, we're not THAT close. I took at look at her page and sure enough, ladies night out pics. Now about his wife, she's a pretty good looking. On her worst day, i'd say she's a 6. Once she gets fixed up and looking good, she's about a 7.5. About 2 years ago she quit her full-time job at a university (i think she was doing just secretarial work, maybe some finance?) because she was really tired of dealing with so much office politics and also stated she wanted the chance to be a full-time mom to her young daughter, which at the time her daughter was about 3-4. Now I try to give women the benefit of the doubt in situations like this, in face, I admire any family that can make this work. It can be hard to get by on one income these days, but I'd always take a mother raising her children over daycare.

Now even though his wife is mid-30s right now, it's evident to me that her genetics for her physical appearance will not allow her to hit the wall until she's probably 50. She's definitely got the genes that her physical beauty will last a lot longer than normal, but my guess for her behavior is that she is mentally and emotionally hitting the wall. I am also going out on a limb and guessing that the women she was in the photos with are single, which is what women do EVERY time. They always try to pull another woman down who might be accomplishing a lot and she has allowed herself to think that she needs another ride on the carousel, especially since her looks aren't fading as fast.

There's no real moral to this story, just something I felt I should pass along. I think one mistake her husband made was allowing this ladies night out in the first place. It should be made clear to a woman, especially a married woman, the going out at night on Friday or Saturday drinking with your single girlfriends is not acceptable behavior.
 

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I talked with another guy at church who is a little closer to the guy in this topic and asked very openly what was going on with him and his wife. So he finally told me everything he knew, that about a month ago this guy's wife filed for divorce. Based on what he told me, the guy was in total shock when he was served with divorce papers. So to summarize here's what I got out of the conversation:

-He'd be working two full-time jobs. Well, maybe 1.5 full-time jobs, the second full time job was him trying to get his own business up and running and (maybe most important) stable. He was working 7 days a week. So already, here's one issue, he's never around and when he is, he's worn out and tired. I admire any man trying to provide for his family the best he can, but we can also see what happens when your life revolves around work. Double-edge sword.

-She has a guy on the side. What a surprise (not). I'm personally curious how long she's had this guy on the side that she's been seeing. I guess I'm interested because did she start seeing him before or after she quit her job to be a stay at home mom.

-Looks like they sold the house and both of them moved out...to the same apartment complex! They live in different apartments of course but the kids just go back and forth between them that way. Will be interesting to see how long this goes on.

-I really think his wife (soon to be ex-wife) has alpha widow going on. Like I said in the OP, she has some genes favorable to her physical looks, but her mental/emotional state is hitting the wall anyway, so she wants to keep using her looks to get the carousel ride again.

-When she originally married this guy, she had a kid from a prior relationship. Now she has 2 kids....talk about floating from one bucks to the next.

I don't know any real details of their marriage, like was he showing her enough attention, was she not putting out enough...kids going nuts all the time? Don't know any of that, but I always want to try and learn something from others' failures so that I can at least try and not make the same mistakes.
 

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If their marriage is over then it will make little difference if she goes out with single friends or not. Its not going out drinking and having fun that destroys a marriage. Its people not respecting each other.

I think if they are having problems, as most relationships do go through difficulties, it is good to be supportive and friendly to the couple and not gossip about them. Gossip helps no one, it just satisfies your desire for intrigue and encourages gloating behaviour.

Sometimes you need trusted friends around you who share their own tips and strategies for getting through difficult times. Or tell you not to worry because the bad time will pass.

It also sounds like you pay a lot of attention to the physical attributes of his wife. Are you a bit jealous? Do you desire her over your own wife? Is this really what you are trying to convey?
 

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She is in her mid 30s. Nuff said. 90% of women this age are trouble. My post history is infected with stating this fact. They cheat and/or end relationships. At this age they aren't even gf material let alone wife material. I feel bad for this guy but its part of nature anymore .
 

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We can try to go through what he did wrong even though we dont know everything: (based on real experience, not just **** talk)

1) He married a single mom. That is where is shot himself in the balls and everything became clear for me at least. She probably had that child around 20 as they normally do with a bad boy loser kind of type or just a guy that didnt care.

Also, what typically happens when a man signs up for the greatest loser job of our society, being a step dad, he got a woman who on a pure SMV scale was more than he could get at this point in his life. These single moms are horny, damaged creatures who are slutty as fuk in bed and can drive you nuts. On the other side, the single mom is a bit salty cause she would REALLY rather date and fuk the jacked guys with tattoos at the gym but she knows she cant make them stay and pay for her and her kid, so she decides to experiment with a poor sex deprived fellow instead.

Lets talk a little about respect and how that doesnt go hand in hand with being a step father as well: A man respecting himself would not raise another mans seemen. A man who loves and respect himself would not sign up for a loser deal. A woman can not respect and therefore love a man who takes on what everyone in ANY society knows is a taboo loser deal, NO MATTER what she wants to tell herself or you.

Therefore, this is ultimately one of the cruelest experiences a man can go through in his life. The feeling of sacrifice for raising another mans seed, noble cause, white knight, all for love, all for a blue pill illusion, all for nothing.

2) There is no need to analyse any further cause the foundation of the marriage was already invalid. Married a single mom.

3) Married a single mom.

It can be hard to let them go. This man forgot the golden rule of only fuking single moms, not dating or MARRYING them for gods sake! DO NOT reward blue pill society by cleaning up after it has taken the worst hangover diarrhea dump ever.
 

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He was working 7 days a week. So already, here's one issue, he's never around and when he is, he's worn out and tired. I admire any man trying to provide for his family the best he can, but we can also see what happens when your life revolves around work. Double-edge sword.
Yeah, it's kind of a lose/lose proposition. You should admire the guy trying to do the best for his family, but then you run the risk of this sort of thing. On the other hand, if he wasn't earning enough, she might fall prey to hypergamy and try to find a better provider. Or just divorce, hit him up for child support, and add another income to her collection.

Sounds like he just married the wrong girl and this was probably going to happen no matter what he did.

What confuses me about the "no Girls Night Out" rule is - well, isn't she supposed to have friends and see them? Or is it bar/alcohol portion of it that's supposed to be unacceptable?
I don't have a strict "no girls night out" rule, but if this sort of thing were to become routine with a woman, I would take it as a red flag. You're right, the mix of bar and alcohol is not the best environment for a married woman. Bars are full of thirsty men, and alcohol lowers inhibitions.
 

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You should admire the guy trying to do the best for his family, but then you run the risk of this sort of thing.
There's an aspect of that that many don't consider, and I didn't realize until I started hanging out with your typical Japanese "salaryman" the guys who sometimes 80 hour weeks etc.

That's a handy "reason," the whole "doing it for my family" but a lot of these guys (at least some of the Japanese dudes I know) PREFER being at work than being at home. Their wives are always angry and complaining, but at work, (at least if they've been there a few years) they get a lot more respect, and things are much more manageable.

Not saying that justifies the "girls night out sausage party" but few people are "truly" innocent.
 

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a lot of these guys (at least some of the Japanese dudes I know) PREFER being at work than being at home. Their wives are always angry and complaining, but at work, (at least if they've been there a few years) they get a lot more respect, and things are much more manageable.
They might have a nice submissive secretary who is eager to please as well, eh?
 
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