Why do you want a traditional lifestyle?

[mrgoodstuff]

They do have a different market of women. You live relatively near Detroit if I'm not mistaken, and you are asking for a high quality black woman that somehow was resilient enough to resist the social pressure of thug culture that was happening all around her. Women are much more intertwined with culture than a man ever could be because 1) they tend to have better social skills than men and 2) they are followers and conformers of society, not leaders or creators of it. Not to mention that black culture has integrated thug culture into it, meaning that thug culture is now predominantly black.

And he wants it specifically in 22-30 years age range, younger than him. That age range is a mess in all cultures.

Women conform to the rules and expectations placed on them. Thug culture has a very different set of expectations placed on women than say Latino/Hispanic culture. In order for you to find a woman of your standards, you need to find a woman who is strong enough to resist societal pressure first, which is almost impossible lol. Begin looking within that group. You can do that, or you can look for women who grew up in a culture that is different and more positive, something NOT thug culture. This is probably better, because the first women would also be harder to make her submit to you.

If you can't find anyone in your area, then it is time to relocate. There have been many threads stating how geographic location makes a huge difference in game.

 

[JohnChops]

It's blue pill to expect women to act right just because it's the right thing to do or because generations before them did it. Women don't think that way. They are reward based and agenda driven.

Agree with this as well. It is the modern man that believes this garbage. They think their little angel will always do the right thing and love them, unconditionally, and that simply isn't the case. When she finds someone better (hypergamy) or finds that you aren't fulfilling her agenda/needs, then she will drop you for someone else.

This is also another argument for, always gaming girls eben when you know you have them. Once you let up, it's over.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

What the Manosphere doesn't tell you is what do you do.....if you want MORE than just sex and companionship from this horrible market of women? What do you do, if you desire MORE, which includes a deep, serious, relationship? How do you get this within this market?? And if you can't get it, then HOW do you eliminate the desire to have it??

You can eliminate undesirable desire if you want to go full on monk mode. It is a long arduous process though for your rational desire to overcome your irrational ones... it depends how far down the rabbit hole you have gone.

 

[Desdinova]

Why don't you get a slightly older female that can take care of you for a change.

The "older is better" argument is an interesting one. I've been with women in their mid to late 30s. Sure they're more able to cook and clean for you, but it doesn't mean that they're resorting to their true nature. They're just doing what they've had to do for years, living alone or with their offspring. Their true nature is NOT to take care of you. The man they want to take care of is an ex somewhere in the past who fvcked with her emotions.

I believe they do exist, but they're literally the most desirable women available. You just have to make sure you're in the top 0.1% to even have a shot at them..

When I think about the mysterious ideal woman who has good looks, youth, and a good moral set, I still have to wonder about the external forces that will fvck up the relationship for you. Her family may not like you and may nag her to leave your ass. A woman's closest acquaintances (be it family or friends) will ALWAYS be more influential than your ability to seduce her. If she doesn't have any acquaintances causing her to question her relationship with you, then it's very possible she'll remain with you.

Looks, youth and morals aside, there are other things that are going to make her a good or bad candidate for a long term partner. If you can find a woman who's 100% adaptable to your lifestyle and agrees to come along for the ride on your road of life, you'll have a loyal keeper.

The problem is, perfection is a dream. If you want a good companion in today's society, you'll have to make sacrifices. I have yet to meet a woman who fits all the criteria I'd want in a good companion. I have a pretty damn decent woman now who's adaptable, had a good moral set, no kids, and has her youth. Her looks aren't exactly what I want though. But you know what? I don't mind sacrificing in that area. She comes along with me when I do all my 5hit. She has literally made her life the same as mine. She has built her foundation of happiness on my life. If I were to toss her away, she would be destroyed. If she sticks around for a decade, she will know no other lifestyle than the one I have created. People don't generally leave what's familiar. A woman will only be comfortable leaving her man because she's developed a lifestyle apart from his. She'll be able to keep much of it intact without him. However, if her life is the same as his, she's not going to leave because she'll be completely lost.

THAT is how I believe a woman should be. Her man should be in the driver's seat. I've encountered old women who have been completely lost after their husband died because he was her entire life. That's the way it should be.

 

[Tenacity]

I see math is not your forte. I am not 44.

As I stated the mode age I date is 27; the girls in this age range I take more seriously. I spin 21-25 for fun and sex. If you notice, my criteria does not include finances, yours does. Virtually all the women I meet have no recognized financial problems (that I am aware of) and are gainfully employed. The younger ones under 25, who are just finishing school are typically raised from affluent families or families that subsidize their cost of living, so the finance subject is never brought up, nor do I really care.

Irrespectively, as a woman's salary will always pale in comparison to mine, I could care less about her salary or net worth, hence why it's not listed in my criteria. As to debt, I have met no women with debt (that I am aware of) except those with student loans, which, again, I could care less about. I could be wrong about their finances, but their finances are a non-issue for me so I don't delve into those specifics with them.

Yes, the girl in the pic you posted is typically whom I would date.

Guru you have been one of the main people outspoken about how the woman I want you are easily getting, but as you can see Guru, the women you are talking about and the ones I'm talking about are completely NIGHT and day.

- I'm not finding any black woman that's 21 - 25 with good finances. 75% of black people come from single parent homes. This means the only chance to find a black woman (reasonably) with good finances is when she's at least 28 or pushing 30.

- Now, but the time she's 28 or pushing 30, like DoubleGreatest said, she's going to have had this amazing ability to REJECT thug culture to the point of not getting knocked up by Ray Ray and Pookie.

- Then, she has to have been able to keep herself in good shape and still looking good.

- Then, she needs to have a attitude/personality that's not too high maintenance, not gold-digger like, not entitled, etc.

- Finallyyyyy, she has to have decent enough interest.

Guru are you starting to see that this chick doesn't exist? I'm listening to guys like you, BeTheChange, AJ, and others tell me that I"m wrong, that these chicks are hanging off trees. But when we BREAK down the conversation further, you guys aren't even discussing the SAME woman I'm talking about.

Just like with Mr. Good Stuff, he was talking about a woman 40 and older, well I said no older than 32 lol. I'm not dating no chick older than 40 or pushing 40.

So, maybe I can have some closure now on this subject by coming to the conclusion that this chick I'm looking for doesn't exist. It's not a location problem, it's not my "inner game" like BeTheChange was talking about, it's not because I don't have pics with Armani Suits on OkCupid, etc. This is a god damn market problem based on changing social dynamics, which I have been saying for 2 years now.

So my strategy now is to reduce my criteria. But I've been taking a break from dating women for the time being, focusing on career-related projects.

 

[Tenacity]

You said that you found women that met your standards, and that you cussed them out for no reason in messages.

You also said that you regularly do the same with your poor old mum.

I found a very small amount that might have been very close, but yeah, I cussed them out. But it was a very small amount that came this close. And I went off on my family members for reasons that were legitimate. Going off in general is bad though, I'm working on no longer doing that.

To say it's not an inner-game issue is absurd.

Well, you know sometimes we on this board define things differently. What is your definition of inner game? To me, inner game is more centered around personality aspects like carrying on a conversation, leading a woman, being sociable, etc.

Is that what inner game is to you? Or is inner game to you in relation to certain emotional foundations, thought patterns (like thinking positive/law of attraction), etc.?

Serious question, do you love women?

Well, I wouldn't say I have HATE in my heart for anybody unless they have specifically done me wrong. I have DISTASTE for certain "types" of women though.

.......And I don't want to discuss serious things with them such as game or politics.

But I enjoy them greatly in other aspects.

You are where I was from 2010 - 2014. I've grown pass that stage now. I'm at the stage where a chick needs to be able to have more SUBSTANCE than just sex and companionship, I'm sorry. So yes, I want to be able to have real, deep, intelligent conversations with her about a variety of topics. I want to be able to see her as more of a PARTNER than just a sex toy.

BUT at the same time, I need to like her and not have a distaste in my mouth for her....due to her having bad finances or another man's kid(s) already.

I've grown.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The problem is, perfection is a dream. If you want a good companion in today's society, you'll have to make sacrifices. I have yet to meet a woman who fits all the criteria I'd want in a good companion. I have a pretty damn decent woman now who's adaptable, had a good moral set, no kids, and has her youth. Her looks aren't exactly what I want though. But you know what? I don't mind sacrificing in that area. She comes along with me when I do all my 5hit. She has literally made her life the same as mine. She has built her foundation of happiness on my life. If I were to toss her away, she would be destroyed. If she sticks around for a decade, she will know no other lifestyle than the one I have created. People don't generally leave what's familiar. A woman will only be comfortable leaving her man because she's developed a lifestyle apart from his. She'll be able to keep much of it intact without him. However, if her life is the same as his, she's not going to leave because she'll be completely lost.

THAT is how I believe a woman should be. Her man should be in the driver's seat. I've encountered old women who have been completely lost after their husband died because he was her entire life. That's the way it should be.

Put a ring on it.

 

[SteR]

When I think about the mysterious ideal woman who has good looks, youth, and a good moral set, I still have to wonder about the external forces that will fvck up the relationship for you. Her family may not like you and may nag her to leave your ass. A woman's closest acquaintances (be it family or friends) will ALWAYS be more influential than your ability to seduce her. If she doesn't have any acquaintances causing her to question her relationship with you, then it's very possible she'll remain with you.

Looks, youth and morals aside, there are other things that are going to make her a good or bad candidate for a long term partner. If you can find a woman who's 100% adaptable to your lifestyle and agrees to come along for the ride on your road of life, you'll have a loyal keeper.

The problem is, perfection is a dream. If you want a good companion in today's society, you'll have to make sacrifices. I have yet to meet a woman who fits all the criteria I'd want in a good companion. I have a pretty damn decent woman now who's adaptable, had a good moral set, no kids, and has her youth. Her looks aren't exactly what I want though. But you know what? I don't mind sacrificing in that area. She comes along with me when I do all my 5hit. She has literally made her life the same as mine. She has built her foundation of happiness on my life. If I were to toss her away, she would be destroyed. If she sticks around for a decade, she will know no other lifestyle than the one I have created. People don't generally leave what's familiar. A woman will only be comfortable leaving her man because she's developed a lifestyle apart from his. She'll be able to keep much of it intact without him. However, if her life is the same as his, she's not going to leave because she'll be completely lost.

THAT is how I believe a woman should be. Her man should be in the driver's seat. I've encountered old women who have been completely lost after their husband died because he was her entire life. That's the way it should be.

I agree with you completely. The problem is that when we talk about women on these boards we're talking in archetypes. The reality is every woman really is different, and you just have to find one that meets your main criteria - of course there will have to be sacrifices as you said it yourself: Nobody's perfect.

 

[Desdinova]

The problem is that when we talk about women on these boards we're talking in archetypes. The reality is every woman really is different

Every woman is different on the surface. Their core values (if any) are also very different, which usually results from their different upbringings. But when you get down to how their brains work, they're all very identical.

 

[Urbanyst]

@Desdinova

@SteR

@Tenacity

@deesade

Guys, I think the conclusion we can all draw here is in order to have high standards you have to be a high standard yourself.

Guys need to be high value if they want to be selective. Once you have reached a high enough place on the food chain.. you will find you don't have to settle as much on looks. However, you still need to be in the top 0.5% to get the very best.

Most of us will need to settle on something. Either looks, personality, age or compatibility. We are not going to get a model hot 23 year old who agrees with us on everything. I don't know why men today believe that is even possible. Its pretty childish.

What is even more important is every LTR will eventually fail or turn to sh*t no matter how good it is. That is just what time does to everything. Your young 25 year old hottie will eventually be 30, then 35, then 40. Her attitude will change too. We can either learn to enjoy women for a set time and replace them later, or we can cling to one girl and cry when things to to sh*t later.

Today's hot women don't want the kind of relationships men want because times have changed. Today's hot women laugh at traditional men and think they are a joke. The free spirit douche bags who don't care if they are in a relationship or not get the respect. Basically guys with the attitude @Poon King had.

 

[Tenacity]

@Desdinova

@SteR

@Tenacity

@deesade

Guys, I think the conclusion we can all draw here is in order to have high standards you have to be a high standard yourself.

Guys need to be high value if they want to be selective. Once you have reached a high enough place on the food chain.. you will find you don't have to settle as much on looks. However, you still need to be in the top 0.5% to get the very best.

Most of us will need to settle on something. Either looks, personality, age or compatibility. We are not going to get a model hot 23 year old who agrees with us on everything. I don't know why men today believe that is even possible. Its pretty childish.

What is even more important is every LTR will eventually fail or turn to sh*t no matter how good it is. That is just what time does to everything. Your young 25 year old hottie will eventually be 30, then 35, then 40. Her attitude will change too. We can either learn to enjoy women for a set time and replace them later, or we can cling to one girl and cry when things to to sh*t later.

Today's hot women don't want the kind of relationships men want because times have changed. Today's hot women laugh at traditional men and think they are a joke. The free spirit douche bags who don't care if they are in a relationship or not get the respect. Basically guys with the attitude @Poon King had.

Bro I agree.

- I think we all need to just stop trying look for unicorns, Disney situations, and "soul-mates".

- Instead, we need to just ENJOY the damn ride. Enjoy the early interactions with chicks, which is usually the BEST times as that's when all the sex is being issued out, she's on her best behavior etc. Then ride the shyt DOWN, and if it doesn't go back UP......trade her in for another chick and rinse, wash, repeat.

- It's just that when you do this, TRY to protect yourself. Try to wear a condom lol, try not to make kids you don't want, and TRY not to get married unless you MUST!

- But guys.......let's just enjoy the rollercoaster ride that is women. Then let's focus on other goals in life like career, investing, working out, and recreation!

- From there, we'll DIE and go back to the clouds!

 

[Urbanyst]

Bro I agree.

- I think we all need to just stop trying look for unicorns, Disney situations, and "soul-mates".

- Instead, we need to just ENJOY the damn ride. Enjoy the early interactions with chicks, which is usually the BEST times as that's when all the sex is being issued out, she's on her best behavior etc. Then ride the shyt DOWN, and if it doesn't go back UP......trade her in for another chick and rinse, wash, repeat.

- It's just that when you do this, TRY to protect yourself. Try to wear a condom lol, try not to make kids you don't want, and TRY not to get married unless you MUST!

- But guys.......let's just enjoy the rollercoaster ride that is women. Then let's focus on other goals in life like career, investing, working out, and recreation!

- From there, we'll DIE and go back to the clouds!

I agree.

Disregard females, acquire currency. That's what I keep saying!!

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Every woman is different on the surface. Their core values (if any) are also very different, which usually results from their different upbringings. But when you get down to how their brains work, they're all very identical.

But it's not her brains that you are interested in, it's her personality. These are very different from woman to woman. And no, I don't think a woman's personality is mere ...'epiphenomena'. The 'underlying reality' IS the person.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Wow! All this agreement... after so much brow-beating. No doubt the brow-beating will continue in order to fully convince yourselves. ha ha

 

[Desdinova]

But it's not her brains that you are interested in, it's her personality.

I'm interested in both. Having a decent understanding of how a woman's brain works will help you seduce one with a good personality.

- I think we all need to just stop trying look for unicorns, Disney situations, and "soul-mates".

I don't believe in any of that 5hit. Is my GF my soul mate? No. I don't believe that men have "soul mates", but I do believe that women have them. The trouble with women is they don't realise it when he's right in front of her. A woman's soul mate is the man who can make her an alpha-widow.

- But guys.......let's just enjoy the rollercoaster ride that is women. Then let's focus on other goals in life like career, investing, working out, and recreation!

See, I'm more of the opinion that the woman is the one who should be enjoying the ride. If she starts to become a pain in the ass, kick her out of the passenger seat.

 

[guru1000]

Guru you have been one of the main people outspoken about how the woman I want you are easily getting, but as you can see Guru, the women you are talking about and the ones I'm talking about are completely NIGHT and day.

- I'm not finding any black woman that's 21 - 25 with good finances. 75% of black people come from single parent homes. This means the only chance to find a black woman (reasonably) with good finances is when she's at least 28 or pushing 30.

- Now, but the time she's 28 or pushing 30, like DoubleGreatest said, she's going to have had this amazing ability to REJECT thug culture to the point of not getting knocked up by Ray Ray and Pookie.

- Then, she has to have been able to keep herself in good shape and still looking good.

- Then, she needs to have a attitude/personality that's not too high maintenance, not gold-digger like, not entitled, etc.

- Finallyyyyy, she has to have decent enough interest.

Guru are you starting to see that this chick doesn't exist? I'm listening to guys like you, BeTheChange, AJ, and others tell me that I"m wrong, that these chicks are hanging off trees. But when we BREAK down the conversation further, you guys aren't even discussing the SAME woman I'm talking about.

Just like with Mr. Good Stuff, he was talking about a woman 40 and older, well I said no older than 32 lol. I'm not dating no chick older than 40 or pushing 40.

So, maybe I can have some closure now on this subject by coming to the conclusion that this chick I'm looking for doesn't exist. It's not a location problem, it's not my "inner game" like BeTheChange was talking about, it's not because I don't have pics with Armani Suits on OkCupid, etc. This is a god damn market problem based on changing social dynamics, which I have been saying for 2 years now.

So my strategy now is to reduce my criteria. But I've been taking a break from dating women for the time being, focusing on career-related projects.

I went on jungle fever this past week. Actually, first time I ever dated black:

Girl One: Black, Jamaican descent, 28 yo, 8.5 looks, Nurse, AI 75K, no kids, not previously married. Attitude is congruent with her IL, which is super high;

Girl Two: Black, 27 yo, 8 in looks, Pharmaceutical rep, Estimated AI 150k, no kids, not previously married. Attitude is congruent with her IL, which is high.

Pics available via PM upon request.

So your "unicorn" does not exist, heh? As I have always stated, they exist in higher numbers to those who have enough extrinsic value to pull em'.

 

[Tenacity]

I went on jungle fever this past week. Actually, first time I ever dated black:

Girl One: Black, Jamaican descent, 28 yo, 8.5 looks, Nurse, AI 75K, no kids, not previously married. Attitude is congruent with her IL, which is super high;

Girl Two: Black, 27 yo, 8 in looks, Pharmaceutical rep, Estimated AI 150k, no kids, not previously married. Attitude is congruent with her IL, which is high.

Pics available via PM upon request.

So your "unicorn" does not exist, heh? As I have always stated, they exist in higher numbers to those who have enough extrinsic value to pull em'.

Guru stay right there........

- Where did you meet these women at?

- You said you dated these women, where are they now?

- When you say their attitude is "high", what does that mean? Are the women high maintenance, gold-digging like, stuck up like, "bougie", somewhat flakey (here/there), etc.?

 

[Listen_to_Olly]

I find that this sort of whining comes from older guys and younger losers who cannot accept the current reality of what it is. What happens is that guys who suck at adjusting to modern times and lack the value to compete often cry for the older days. Most of the times these are miserable men that just want someone to lend them an ear, no different than the woman who hit the wall and talks about her good ol days.

I for one LOVE the modern times.

 

[guru1000]

Guru stay right there........
Where did you meet these women at?

Both in Bumble

- You said you dated these women, where are they now?

I'm not into black women. One date with one; had two dates with the other. Just about to drop them, not enough spark for my taste. My point is that your criteria is lacking and plentiful to those men who possess enough value to attract them, even among black women.

- When you say their attitude is "high", what does that mean? Are the women high maintenance, gold-digging like, stuck up like, "bougie", somewhat flakey (here/there), etc.?

I stated that a woman's attitude is a product of her IL. These women have high IL, so naturally their attitude will be accommodating. What you confuse as "flaky," "too stuck up for you," and "attitude" are simply an indication of their lower IL in you, so naturally they will put forward their worst attributes forward to make you go away.

As to high maintenance, I'm not interested in women who are low-maintenance. I'm not going to, let's say, Cipriani in NYC with a low-maintenance chick. I want the stunning dress, exclusive high heels, and her cracking heads. That's my style, high-maintenance, like myself.

As to gold-digging, I dismiss gold-digging chicks, and if they were elusive enough to fool me, no matter, they get nothing from me other than wining and dining, which I like to do irrespectively.

 

[SteR]

Both in Bumble


I'm not into black women. One date with one; had two dates with the other. Just about to drop them, not enough spark for my taste. My point is that your criteria is lacking and plentiful to those men who possess enough value to attract them, even among black women.


I stated that a woman's attitude is a product of her IL. These women have high IL, so naturally their attitude will be accommodating. What you confuse as "flaky," "too stuck up for you," and "attitude" are simply an indication of their lower IL in you, so naturally they will put forward their worst attributes forward to make you go away.

As to high maintenance, I'm not interested in women who are low-maintenance. I'm not going to, let's say, Cipriani in NYC with a low-maintenance chick. I want the stunning dress, exclusive high heels, and her cracking heads. That's my style, high-maintenance, like myself.

As to gold-digging, I dismiss gold-digging chicks, and if they were elusive enough to fool me, no matter, they get nothing from me other than wining and dining, which I like to do irrespectively.

I'm curious about how long you've been in this state for though? I remember you saying in another thread that dating now was vastly superior to your 20s and even 30s.. when did it change for you?