Why do you want a traditional lifestyle?

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So basically we cannot ever really fully open up to them...

Pretty much.

Agrees. Just when you relax is when she starts demanding things or drifting away. The game never stops.

Definitely not. I notice that couples get fat after a while of being together. It's because they relax and loosen up. That's never good.

 

[Urbanyst]

Of course. Women are at the whim of their emotions, and their emotions can only be bounded by something stronger than itself. That's the whole point of FRAME. Before, women were like this because of society bounding them. Now, it's just you against society, which is forcing these boundaries open and encouraging women to force your boundaries open too. Can't relax for a second.

I agree with this.

People don't want to face the elephant in the room, which is loyalty largely depends on need. That's why I post about value and money so much. If people don't need you in some capacity, they won't be loyal.

It's blue pill to expect women to act right just because it's the right thing to do or because generations before them did it. Women don't think that way. They are reward based and agenda driven.

 

[Tenacity]

They exist, but not with any girl that's really hot.

If you only want to date really hot girls like most of us then just forget about finding that kind of relationship.

My analysis and logic is telling me the same thing.

But then when I get guys like Guru, BeTheChange, Mr. Good Stuff, Pretty Boy AJ all saying these women are just hanging off trees.....I'm wondering :

- Either I'm crazy (which doesn't make any sense)

- Either I have a SHYTTTT ton of work left to do, which means right now I completely and utterly svck (which doesn't make sense)

- These guys are in a completely different market than the vast majority of markets in the United States

- Or they are lying their a.sses off about meeting these women on a daily/consistent basis

Which is it??

 

[SteR]

They exist, but not with any girl that's really hot.

If you only want to date really hot girls like most of us then just forget about finding that kind of relationship.

I believe they do exist, but they're literally the most desirable women available. You just have to make sure you're in the top 0.1% to even have a shot at them..

 

[guru1000]

I personally find that my interpretation of a 9 in NYC is 1 out of 100, and for the following baseline attributes:

No kids or divorces;
Educated enough;
Intelligent enough;
Socially compatible;
Shared interests and long-term vision;
Classy; and
Traditional values and -minded;

brings this ratio to 1 out of 2000, which brings my pool of available women to .05% (close to SteR's ratio). I meet this kind of girl on average twice a year, and I would consider myself at least a corresponding .05% (in totality). You will attract what you are once or twice per year if you're meeting tons of women. This rule is unequivocal.

 

[Tenacity]

I believe they do exist, but they're literally the most desirable women available. You just have to make sure you're in the top 0.1% to even have a shot at them..

Urbanyst so see, SteR is another one that is saying these women exist, even though he is saying they don't exist in MASS number like Guru and them are saying.....he's saying they are very rare.

SteR here's my follow up question. How do you know these women exist? Are you seeing them? How do you know it's them?

 

[Tenacity]

I personally find that my interpretation of a 9 in NYC is 1 out of 100, and for the following baseline attributes:

No kids or divorces;
Educated enough;
Intelligent enough;
Socially compatible;
Shared interests and long-term vision;
Classy; and
Traditional values and -minded;

brings this ratio to 1 out of 2000, which brings my pool of available women to .05% (close to SteR's ratio). I meet this kind of girl on average twice a year, and I would consider myself at least a corresponding .05% (in totality). You will attract what you are. This rule is unequivocal.

Guru I need more information. Because remember I broke down stats like this about the Black Girl I'm looking for and I'm getting about a 0.1%

How do you find a girl that's 0.1% of the market? You are saying that because a guy is a 0.1% he will "attract" the 0.1% and I'm sure he would be ATTRACTIVE to her if he ran across her..........but it's the running across her/finding her part that's the problem.

How are you finding these people???

 

[guru1000]

Guru I need more information. Because remember I broke down stats like this about the Black Girl I'm looking for and I'm getting about a 0.1%

How do you find a girl that's 0.1% of the market? You are saying that because a guy is a 0.1% he will "attract" the 0.1% and I'm sure he would be ATTRACTIVE to her if he ran across her..........but it's the running across her/finding her part that's the problem.

How are you finding these people???

75-80% OLD, 20-25% socially, at an approximate rate of meeting at least 100 per year.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Guru I need more information. Because remember I broke down stats like this about the Black Girl I'm looking for and I'm getting about a 0.1%

How do you find a girl that's 0.1% of the market? You are saying that because a guy is a 0.1% he will "attract" the 0.1% and I'm sure he would be ATTRACTIVE to her if he ran across her..........but it's the running across her/finding her part that's the problem.

How are you finding these people???

Dude, I know several "sisters" that would fit your bill and they make from $80-$140k of their own. They HATE dating and the games. They want a stable guy they can "build" with. They tend to be closer to 40 or 40 though. Around 30 is a shoot em up like the wild wild west, everyone so scared of being cheated on and played that they play you first.

 

[Urbanyst]

My analysis and logic is telling me the same thing.

But then when I get guys like Guru, BeTheChange, Mr. Good Stuff, Pretty Boy AJ all saying these women are just hanging off trees.....I'm wondering :

- Either I'm crazy (which doesn't make any sense)

- Either I have a SHYTTTT ton of work left to do, which means right now I completely and utterly svck (which doesn't make sense)

- These guys are in a completely different market than the vast majority of markets in the United States

- Or they are lying their a.sses off about meeting these women on a daily/consistent basis

Which is it??

If they were really meeting these types of women all the time, they would probably be married or at least not posting on SoSuave.

More than likely they are exaggerating how attractive these women are (probably dating 5's and 6's) or they are out right lying.

Dude, I know several "sisters" that would fit your bill and they make from $80-$140k of their own. They HATE dating and the games. They want a stable guy they can "build" with. They tend to be closer to 40 or 40 though. Around 30 is a shoot em up like the wild wild west, everyone so scared of being cheated on and played that they play you first.

Of course they are 40. Once women are over the hill and all the men stop chasing them.. suddenly they learn how to act.

If those women were really that great someone would of snatched them up around age 25.

 

[Tenacity]

I personally find that my interpretation of a 9 in NYC is 1 out of 100, and for the following baseline attributes:

No kids or divorces;
Educated enough;
Intelligent enough;
Socially compatible;
Shared interests and long-term vision;
Classy; and
Traditional values and -minded;

brings this ratio to 1 out of 2000, which brings my pool of available women to .05% (close to SteR's ratio). I meet this kind of girl on average twice a year, and I would consider myself at least a corresponding .05% (in totality). .

Okay I'm confused, because you state the above with the woman being 1 out of 2,000 women (0.05%) then you state the following below:

75-80% OLD, 20-25% socially, at an approximate rate of meeting at least 100 per year.

How do you go to getting 1 out of 100 women, when you just said it was 1 out of 2,000? Are you bringing in some other type of mass filtering procedure that beats down the 2,000 mass women to a more filtered 100, then from there it becomes 1 out of 100 or 1%? If so, how are you doing that?

Dude, I know several "sisters" that would fit your bill and they make from $80-$140k of their own. They HATE dating and the games. They want a stable guy they can "build" with. They tend to be closer to 40 or 40 though. Around 30 is a shoot em up like the wild wild west, everyone so scared of being cheated on and played that they play you first.

No my dating range is age 22 - 32. I'm not dating any woman in her 40's until I'm in my late 50's AT LEAST.

I'm referring to women 22 - 32, preferably 22 - 30.

 

[guru1000]

Okay I'm confused, because you state the above with the woman being 1 out of 2,000 women (0.05%) then you state the following below:



How do you go to getting 1 out of 100 women, when you just said it was 1 out of 2,000? Are you bringing in some other type of mass filtering procedure that beats down the 2,000 mass women to a more filtered 100, then from there it becomes 1 out of 100 or 1%? If so, how are you doing that?

Edited, the last paragraph is correct.

Every girl I meet has been preliminarily looks- and attribute-qualified to some degree (as OLD pics and other data can differ) so I'm meeting 100 potentially good candidates as opposed to 100 entirely randoms (where 1 out of 100 is an interpreted 9) off the street (utilized as part of a .05% ratio).

Out of the 100 pre-qualified candidates per year, 1 or 2 per year will fit my bill.

As to your criteria (7+, no kids, good attitude, no debt), I would say 25 or more whom I meet per year fit your bill.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Okay I'm confused, because you state the above with the woman being 1 out of 2,000 women (0.05%) then you state the following below:



How do you go to getting 1 out of 100 women, when you just said it was 1 out of 2,000? Are you bringing in some other type of mass filtering procedure that beats down the 2,000 mass women to a more filtered 100, then from there it becomes 1 out of 100 or 1%? If so, how are you doing that?



No my dating range is age 22 - 32. I'm not dating any woman in her 40's until I'm in my late 50's AT LEAST.

I'm referring to women 22 - 32, preferably 22 - 30.

Well good luck. They say that age range sucks worse than ever now adays. Why don't you get a slightly older female that can take care of you for a change.

 

[SteR]

Urbanyst so see, SteR is another one that is saying these women exist, even though he is saying they don't exist in MASS number like Guru and them are saying.....he's saying they are very rare.

SteR here's my follow up question. How do you know these women exist? Are you seeing them? How do you know it's them?

Well the only reason I'm so adamant about this is because I've met them in real life - I've dated some of them. But they don't come easily (what worth having in life does?) and they clearly have no shortage of admirers.

I'm also in disagreement with Guru that they exist en masse - how can they, since attractiveness typically follows a bell curve. Or rather maybe I should clarify: Guru may indeed be in the top 0.1% where he can demand the attention of all the top calibre women, but the average guy can't.

 

[Tenacity]

Well good luck. They say that age range sucks worse than ever now adays. Why don't you get a slightly older female that can take care of you for a change.

Well, now you see why I keep saying the market is horrible lol. And I'm not attracted to a woman older than me to be honest. I'm 33, she can't be older than me. I've been with some older, but not that many.

Edited, the last paragraph is correct.

Every girl I meet has been preliminarily looks- and attribute-qualified to some degree (as OLD pics and other data can differ) so I'm meeting 100 potentially good candidates as opposed to 100 entirely randoms (where 1 out of 100 is an interpreted 9) off the street (utilized as part of a .05% ratio).

Out of the 100 pre-qualified candidates per year, 1 or 2 per year will fit my bill.

As to your criteria (7+, no kids, good attitude, no debt), I would say 25 or more whom I meet per year fit your bill.

These women aren't 40 like Mr. Good Stuff is talking about right? Are they 22 - 32? Are they mostly white? Any black chicks in there?? And to confirm, your market is New York City right?

 

[guru1000]

SteR: It's important for you and others not to accept hearsay from other posters like Tenacity as my assertions. The words I actually used were reiterated here in this thread.

Tenacity: I date in the age range 21-34, with the mode age at 27 (which is still 15 years my junior). Mostly Eastern European and in NYC.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity: I date in the age range 21-34, with the mode age at 27 (which is still 15 years my junior). Mostly Eastern European and in NYC.

Guru,

Quick questions:

- So you are 44 now, right? You are dating women that are 21?

- How are the 21 - 23 women you are dating with good finances already?

- Does this picture below look like the types of women you're dating? These aren't American women though Guru, these women have a completely different culture, moral foundation, values, etc. I mean these types of women and American Black Women are night and day.

 

[guru1000]

I see math is not your forte. I am not 44.

As I stated the mode age I date is 27; the girls in this age range I take more seriously. I spin 21-25 for fun and sex. If you notice, my criteria does not include finances, yours does. Virtually all the women I meet have no recognized financial problems (that I am aware of) and are gainfully employed. The younger ones under 25, who are just finishing school are typically raised from affluent families or families that subsidize their cost of living, so the finance subject is never brought up, nor do I really care.

Irrespectively, as a woman's salary will always pale in comparison to mine, I could care less about her salary or net worth, hence why it's not listed in my criteria. As to debt, I have met no women with debt (that I am aware of) except those with student loans, which, again, I could care less about. I could be wrong about their finances, but their finances are a non-issue for me so I don't delve into those specifics with them.

Yes, the girl in the pic you posted is typically whom I would date.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Well, now you see why I keep saying the market is horrible lol. And I'm not attracted to a woman older than me to be honest. I'm 33, she can't be older than me. I've been with some older, but not that many.



These women aren't 40 like Mr. Good Stuff is talking about right? Are they 22 - 32? Are they mostly white? Any black chicks in there?? And to confirm, your market is New York City right?

Some older have super tite bodies and actually are more beautiful than when they were younger. But yes i KNOW for a fact now why you say the market sucks. My babe I been complaining about is 31 turning 32 and she's trying to hang onto staying 25 for ever, they suck badly to try to partner with.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Urbanyst so see, SteR is another one that is saying these women exist, even though he is saying they don't exist in MASS number like Guru and them are saying.....he's saying they are very rare.

SteR here's my follow up question. How do you know these women exist? Are you seeing them? How do you know it's them?

- These guys are in a completely different market than the vast majority of markets in the United States

They do have a different market of women. You live relatively near Detroit if I'm not mistaken, and you are asking for a high quality black woman that somehow was resilient enough to resist the social pressure of thug culture that was happening all around her. Women are much more intertwined with culture than a man ever could be because 1) they tend to have better social skills than men and 2) they are followers and conformers of society, not leaders or creators of it. Not to mention that black culture has integrated thug culture into it, meaning that thug culture is now predominantly black.

Women conform to the rules and expectations placed on them. Thug culture has a very different set of expectations placed on women than say Latino/Hispanic culture. In order for you to find a woman of your standards, you need to find a woman who is strong enough to resist societal pressure first, which is almost impossible lol. Begin looking within that group. You can do that, or you can look for women who grew up in a culture that is different and more positive, something NOT thug culture. This is probably better, because the first women would also be harder to make her submit to you.

If you can't find anyone in your area, then it is time to relocate. There have been many threads stating how geographic location makes a huge difference in game.