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[PrettyBoyAJ]

I'm not sure what would be the point of me lying Guru? If I preferred Asian women but can't get one in general, I would have said that.



But with no personality/attitude related issues?

Listen, all know is the following:

- I'm NOT crazy, I'm reporting back to you guys what I've been experiencing

- Creating the "world's greatest OLD profile" isn't going to change anything

The honest truth though is that I'm finalizing my decision on the vasectomy. I might get it done this year. I've already opted out of marriage. Quite frankly, it doesn't really MATTER anymore, I'm not doing any legal relations nor settling down with any woman.....so fvck it.

But I'm NOT making up what I'm reporting and creating the world's greatest OLD profile isn't going to change anything.

I think all girls have attitude/personality problems and I probably do as well.

 

[Tenacity]

I think all girls have attitude/personality problems and I probably do as well.

Especially the ones who are HB7 and higher. Which is what I've been saying lol. Every girl you meet has one of the problems I outlined, but then I get these guys responding saying, "NO, NO, Not the girls I've been with!"

It's bullshyt lol.

I think if one wants to be in an LTR or a relationship with a chick today, you are going to have to TOLERATE one or more of the following:

- Either her looks being not what you prefer (she might have weight for example)

and/or

- She has some other dude's kid(s), and if she's BLACK, 85% of the time the dude will be Ray Ray or Pookie.

and/or

- She has some sort of bad financial problems right now.

and/or

- She has personality/attitude related issues where she might be high maintenance, more of a pain in the a.ss to manage/handle, or some sort of mental issues, or a golddigger, or other personality/attitude related problems.

My situation is that I'm just losing the patience and the passion to DEAL with any of these problems. It's like I'm going into a period where I just want to leave women the fvck alone for a minute.

 

[fastlife]

Where is the best place to day game? And how to approach, etc? Feel like my skills are so rusty in this regard (outside of the socially acceptable club /bar environment). Is there a comprehensive post or thread on this?

The where is the biggest question. Anywhere with heavy foot traffic & the kind of demographics you like. For cities I've lived in, coffee, smoothie, sushi places near college campuses are all money. The beach is great during the on-season; lakeside resorts are also good. Parks are good during the warmer months. Tourist destinations are good. You're in London, no? Pretty sure that's the daygame capitol of the world--sure there's plenty of stuff online & on YouTube about where's good there.

As far as technical stuff, @deesade and I go over a lot of the basics here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/first-four-day-game-approaches.238572/

Finally, you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that as far as Input (Time) : Tangible Outputs (Lays), running game is super inefficient. With OLD, at least you can rationalize that you didn't have to leave your house. But there are tons of secondary benefits, which honestly, to me, are even more important than sleeping with a new girl from time to time--and I think you really have to find enjoyment in those benefits for this to be a sustainable endeavor:

• Putting yourself in uncomfortable situations & enjoying the unexpected.
• Learning how to fully risk rejection & how to reframe that rejection to develop core confidence.
• Meeting new people--the good, the bad, the ugly.
• Developing social calibration (reading body language, empathizing w/ people's current perceptions, etc.).

 

[guru1000]

What many here confuse as" personality issues" is likely a result of your inability to control the social frame.

Two Real Examples:

1) I'm bantering with a girl on the first date. When she asks questions about me, I re-frame her question about ask the same question about her. I directly answer her questions intermittently as not to project extreme arrogance. After about one hour, I ask her a question, and in a bit of a flippant (not playful) tone, she crosses her arms and states, "I'm not answering any more questions to you."

"OK" I reply, "Waiter, check please!"

She fidgets, a bit nervous. "Did I just overspeak," she thinks. I walk her to the car, she kisses me goodbye on the lips, I say nothing and walk away. I don't call her. Two weeks later, she calls.

2) In all my relations, whether exclusive or not, if the girls demonstrate any degree of disrespect, I address it immediately or end it.

Example A:
I'm driving to the Hamptons. Exclusive girl at the time has been a tad disrespectful in her tone all day. So I state, "If you continue, with this attitude, I am turning around and going back home.Thirty minutes later, again, she comes with a snide tone. I take the next exit off the expressway, turn around, and head back home. She complains. She cries. She goes silent. An hour late, and thereon--all-of-a-sudden--her tone entirely changes.

Example B:
I will give at least one warning to an exclusive girl of what behavior I deem standoffish or disrespectful. If the behavior continues after my overtly stating my boundary, I end the relation. Period.

Gentlemen, the only reason why women commit repeated disrespect or demonstrate "personality issues" upon you is because YOU allow it.

 

[guru1000]

- Creating the "world's greatest OLD profile" isn't going to change anything

Says the man who can't find one "qualified" girl to the man who has found 100+. It's like shooting fish in the barrel for some. You're right, your scarcity of quality women has 0% to do with your presentation and is 100% attributable to the market!

 

[Tenacity]

Says the man who can't find one "qualified" girl to the man who has found 100+. It's like shooting fish in the barrel for some. You're right, your scarcity of quality women has 0% to do with your presentation and is 100% attributable to the market!

Guru with all due respect.....I honestly DON'T think you fully understand my analysis.

- For example Guru, are you going to sit up on this forum and tell me, that the HB7 and above women you date, DON'T have some level of personality/attitude related issues?

- Are you going to honestly say that? I know you aren't because you would know that would be a lie.

 

[btownbuck2012]

What many here confuse as" personality issues" is likely a result of your inability to control the social frame.

Two Real Examples:

1) I'm bantering with a girl on the first date. When she asks questions about me, I re-frame her question about ask the same question about her. I directly answer her questions intermittently as not to project extreme arrogance. After about one hour, I ask her a question, and in a bit of a flippant (not playful) tone, she crosses her arms and states, "I'm not answering any more questions to you."

"OK" I reply, "Waiter, check please!"

She fidgets, a bit nervous. "Did I just overspeak," she thinks. I walk her to the car, she kisses me goodbye on the lips, I say nothing and walk away. I don't call her. Two weeks later, she calls.

2) In all my relations, whether exclusive or not, if the girls demonstrate any degree of disrespect, I address it immediately or end it.

Example A:
I'm driving to the Hamptons. Exclusive girl at the time has been a tad disrespectful in her tone all day. So I state, "If you continue, with this attitude, I am turning around and going back home.Thirty minutes later, again, she comes with a snide tone. I take the next exit off the expressway, turn around, and head back home. She complains. She cries. She goes silent. An hour late, and thereon--all-of-a-sudden--her tone entirely changes.

Example B:
I will give at least one warning to an exclusive girl of what behavior I deem standoffish or disrespectful. If the behavior continues after my overtly stating my boundary, I end the relation. Period.

Gentlemen, the only reason why women commit repeated disrespect or demonstrate "personality issues" upon you is because YOU allow it.

This is excellent. The hardest part though is not actually doing it but standing firm in your decision. I've lost women because I've done something like this only to cave in later, thus completely giving her all the power. Definitely a huge lesson learned moving forward. For me personally, when you've spent time investing in someone, this gets harder to do, but I guess you've always gotta be ready to do it. If you're going to pull a move like this, you've gotta stand firm in it.

 

[guru1000]

Guru with all due respect.....I honestly DON'T think you fully understand my analysis.

- For example Guru, are you going to sit up on this forum and tell me, that the HB7 and above women you date, DON'T have some level of personality/attitude related issues?

- Are you going to honestly say that? I know you aren't because you would know that would be a lie.

I was very clear that PEOPLE, not just women, will get away with what they can if YOU allow them to. No need to be repetitive. Read Post 59 again and tell me if you have a relevant question.

 

[Tenacity]

What many here confuse as" personality issues" is likely a result of your inability to control the social frame.

Two Real Examples:

1) I'm bantering with a girl on the first date. When she asks questions about me, I re-frame her question about ask the same question about her. I directly answer her questions intermittently as not to project extreme arrogance. After about one hour, I ask her a question, and in a bit of a flippant (not playful) tone, she crosses her arms and states, "I'm not answering any more questions to you."

"OK" I reply, "Waiter, check please!"

She fidgets, a bit nervous. "Did I just overspeak," she thinks. I walk her to the car, she kisses me goodbye on the lips, I say nothing and walk away. I don't call her. Two weeks later, she calls.

2) In all my relations, whether exclusive or not, if the girls demonstrate any degree of disrespect, I address it immediately or end it.

Example A:
I'm driving to the Hamptons. Exclusive girl at the time has been a tad disrespectful in her tone all day. So I state, "If you continue, with this attitude, I am turning around and going back home.Thirty minutes later, again, she comes with a snide tone. I take the next exit off the expressway, turn around, and head back home. She complains. She cries. She goes silent. An hour late, and thereon--all-of-a-sudden--her tone entirely changes.

Example B:
I will give at least one warning to an exclusive girl of what behavior I deem standoffish or disrespectful. If the behavior continues after my overtly stating my boundary, I end the relation. Period.

Gentlemen, the only reason why women commit repeated disrespect or demonstrate "personality issues" upon you is because YOU allow it.

Okay I read it again lol.

You are SAYING the same shyt I have already said Guru. You are providing an example of a bytch who has personality/attitude issues and you decide to NOT deal with it and walk away. That's fine...but the bytch STILL HAS personality/attitude issues.

The point I've been making is that any woman you deal with, will either have looks/weight issues, financial issues, kids issues, or personality/attitude issues. Just because you WALK AWAY from a bytch, does not mean her personality/attitude issues will go away. She might "be good" for a temporary period of time, but the shyt will come right back shortly.

 

[guru1000]

. Just because you WALK AWAY from a bytch, does not mean her personality/attitude issues will go away. She might "be good" for a temporary period of time, but the shyt will come right back shortly.

Wrong. If a girl has high IL in you, and she was apprised of the "offense" in some manner (whether overt or covert) and is fully aware that you will walk, that behavior will not continue.

This is where you are lacking.

 

[Tenacity]

Wrong. If a girl has high IL in you, and she was apprised of the "offense" in some manner (whether overt or covert) and is fully aware that you will walk, that behavior will not continue.

I completely and UTTERLY disagree with you.

That is just magical thinking. You are going to sit up here Guru and tell me, that a chick who has been a stuck up, entitled, high maintenance, gold-digging, BYTCH her entire life.........all of a sudden stops being said person because you show up? Are you kidding me?

Granted, she might put on an "act" with some decent behavior at first, but trust me, that shyt is only temporary.

 

[guru1000]

You are going to sit up here Guru and tell me, that a chick who has been a stuck, entitled, high maintenance, gold-digging, BYTCH her entire life.........all of a sudden stops being said person because you show up? Are you kidding me?

That is exactly what I'm saying. I don't date gold diggers but yes to the "stuck up," "entitled," and "high-maintenance"--or as they might appear to you to be. And I want to remind you that the women I usually deal with have been offered homes, cars, and expensive jewelry "for free" from panderers--no exaggeration.

Women (like ALL people) will try to get away with whatever they can. Your job is to enforce your "rules of propriety." If her IL is high, she will follow.

 

[Tenacity]

.....but yes to the "stuck up," "entitled," and "high-maintenance"

Okay.......

And I want to remind you that the women I usually deal with have been offered homes, cars, and expensive jewelry "for free" from panderers--no exaggeration.

No, I don't find that hard to believe lol! Which brings me BACK to my point Guru. Let's say this chick is now 28 and became "attractive" let's say at 16, that means:

- For 12 YEARS everybody has kissed her a.ss

- For 12 YEARS she's been an entitled, high maintenance, stuck-up, bytch

How in the living hell, do you show up Guru and completely change this woman's personality that has been formed over 12 years? Just because you quote, unquote are going to "walk away"? Lmao, are you serious?

Even YOU just said these types of chicks have guys lined up the block buying them EXPENSIVE shyt.

So why in the living hell would she CARE that much that you are going to "walk away"......to do the work on completely reforming, reshaping, and revising her entire personality that's been shaped, formed, and developed over 12 years......when guys just as attractive as you are lined up the block willing to accept her as she is??

 

[guru1000]

Okay.......



No, I don't find that hard to believe lol! Which brings me BACK to my point Guru. Let's say this chick is now 28 and became "attractive" let's say at 16, that means:

- For 12 YEARS everybody has kissed her a.ss

- For 12 YEARS she's been an entitled, high maintenance, stuck-up, bytch

How in the living hell, do you show up Guru and completely change this woman's personality that has been formed over 12 years? Just because you quote, unquote are going to "walk away"? Lmao, are you serious?

Even YOU just said these types of chicks have guys lined up the block buying them EXPENSIVE shyt, why in the living hell would she CARE that much that you are going to "walk away", to do the work on completely reforming, reshaping, and revising her entire personality that's been shaped, formed, and developed over 12 years?

I gather your point of reference, and thus this quote, originate because you NEVER had a girl who was gaga about you.

Wake-Up Call: Women with high IL will cross a desert filled with atomic bombs to keep you. I'm truly sorry you never experienced this. Which naturally leads to my original conclusion, your presentation and boundaries are lacking, hence your shortage of high IL women.

 

[Tenacity]

I gather your point of reference, and thus this quote, originate because you NEVER has a girl who was gaga about you.

No, now wait a minute, don't go making up stuff now. I have had PLENTY women who were highly interested in me, that did NOT change the fact that they were unwilling to work on some of the major issues they had. Women have a mentality of wanting a man that can "HANDLE THEM", which is code word for looking for a man to tolerate her bullshyt.

She's not planning on CHANGING for a man, she wants a man to ACCEPT her bullshyt. That's the vast majority of women.

Wake-Up Call:

Women with high IL will cross a desert filled with atomic bombs to keep you.

This is complete and utter bullshyt Guru lol. Like OMG dude.....are you serious lol?

I'm truly sorry you never experienced this. Which naturally leads to my original conclusion, your presentation and boundaries are lacking, hence your shortage of high IL women.

Dude your analysis is comparable to the majority of talking heads on CNBC in 2006 and early 2007 on the state of the housing market. It's WAY OFF lol.

Dude, like I don't even believe you are saying this stuff right now lol.

 

[guru1000]

No, now wait a minute, don't go making up stuff now. I have had PLENTY women who were highly interested in me, that did NOT change the fact that they were unwilling to work on some of the major issues they had.

Then they weren't truly interested in you. Simple.

This is complete and utter bullshyt Guru lol. Like OMG dude.....are you serious lol?

Dude your analysis is comparable to the majority of talking heads on CNBC in 2006 and early 2007 on the state of the housing market. It's WAY OFF lol.

Dude, like I don't even believe you are saying this stuff right now lol.

Of course it seems like alternate dimension to you. Hence, why YOU are the one with the same problem for seven years.

You can choose to remain blind and invest deeper into the beliefs which continue to reinforce the same problem that has plagued you over the last seven years. My job is not to convince you otherwise. I will share my experiences with you. Choose to listen or don't. No sweat off my back.

 

[Tenacity]

Then they weren't truly interested in you. Simple.

Dude most women aren't TRULY interested in any man today. Most women date, fvck, and be in relationships with men based on what those men can/are doing for them. If those men were to stop or change, most of those women would leave.

Of course it seems like alternate dimension for you. Hence, why YOU are the one with the same problem for seven years.

More horrible analysis. My "problem" has NOTHING to do with me not wearing an Armani fvcking suit Guru (you know, the "presentation" you keep talking about). The problem is a market problem. Women have changed, something called Feminism occurred and it really destroyed the mentality of Black Women, far worse than any other Race of women, which is why Black Women are the LEAST desired across the board.

You can choose to remain blind, and invest deeper into the beliefs which continue to reinforce the same problem you have experienced over the last seven years. My job is not to convince you otherwise. I will share my experiences with you. Choose to listen or don't. No sweat off my back.

Guru, let's just use LOGIC for a minute.

- A woman has been a stuck up, entitled, high maintenance bytch for 12 years from the age of 16 to her current age of 28.

- She has lines of dudes down the block, who are attractive, with money, who are trying to get with her through various means, including buying her expensive shyt.

- Guru goes out with said woman and doesn't appreciate her stuck up, entitled, high maintenance, bytch attitude/personality and says he will WALK AWAY.

- What does the woman do? LOGIC would state that she would either tell Guru to fvck off and move onto the next guy in line. OR, if she is looking to "get something in particular" from Guru, she will PRETEND to have "changed her behavior" and be a good girl just until she gets whatever the fvck she's looking for from Guru, then she will revert back to her REAL personality.

 

[guru1000]

You're being repetitive and quite childish at this point. My points are crystal clear.

OR, if she is looking to "get something in particular" from Guru, she will PRETEND to have "changed her behavior" and be a good girl just until she gets whatever the fvck she's looking for from Guru, then she will revert back to her REAL personality.

Then you have no lasting value to offer, where she feels the need to revert back to shvtty behavior. Read my "Frame" thread.

 

[Tenacity]

My points are crystal clear.

Your "points" are not logical and make absolutely no sense.

Then you have no lasting value to offer, where she feels the need to revert back to shvtty behavior.

OMG. Guru, the woman's personality is shytty, that's WHO she is. It's who she has been for 12 years. Don't take my word on it, just ASK her god damn closest friends and family members who spend time around her. They will tell you (if they are honest) about what type of person she is, how she's high maintenance, stuck up, etc., etc.

My value has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact, that for the last 12 years, this woman has developed into a stuck up, high maintenance, bytch....that in order to "be with her", I'm going to have to figure out just how to DEAL with the bullshyt.

 

[guru1000]

This will be my last reply to you in this thread:

Your "points" are not logical and make absolutely no sense.

To you, as you have a diametric point of reference than my own. The low-value male thinks ALL women are shvtty and "stuck up," but fails to realize that he has little value to negotiate with in the marketplace. When you hold high value (extrinsic and intrinsic [which you lack]), women will fully defer to you. The women who don't fully defer to you view you (within your totality) as a lower-value male.

Here's a little shocker that I will leave you to ponder on: The thug who has less education, wealth, and maybe even looks than you holds more "value" to black women (within their perspective) than you.