If you're already high value there's no need to demonstrate it.

[9Volt]

If you're already seen as high value in a chick or chicks eyes there's no need to demonstrate high value. She'll know that on her own.

The only reason you'd even bother trying to demonstrate "high value" is because you already know you're trying to aim out of your league to hopefully have a chick see any value in you to begin with. Which means deep down you know the chick has more value than you and you're simply being a try-hard to demonstrate what you think she'll see as "high value". You are at that point nothing more than a desperate dancing monkey doing your best guess at what value you hope she'll see in you.

Do millionaires and billionaires need to demonstrate high value to some chick?

Do pro athletes need to demonstrate high value to a chick?

Do box office actors?

No. Whomever sees high value in them doesn't need a demonstration. They already know.

Become a man of high value for yourself. Not others. Some chicks will value your high value. Others won't. But you won't have to do demonstrations.

As a man you're already of higher value. The proof is in you being born a man, kids looking up to you, fellow men, feminists raging constantly over trying to be "equal" to men or become "men" themselves, societies attack on men simply because they are men. You don't need to demonstrate you are born and will eventually die a man do you?

 

[guru1000]

Ya, but what if my value were too high, and her value paled in comparison, and thus my higher value could only reasonably be demonstrated as lower value to match hers, but as we conjoin values, her value inherently is higher than my demonstrated lower value, and thus, I must revert back to my original high value, which averts her as her value is still lower than my high value, ergo leaving me at a value surplus, to which I become conscious of and compensate by again demonstrating lower value, which she recognizes and rebuts with her true value, which is higher than my original high value?

 

[devilkingx2]

The only reason you'd even bother trying to demonstrate "high value" is because you already know you're trying to aim out of your league to hopefully have a chick see any value in you to begin with. Which means deep down you know the chick has more value than you and you're simply being a try-hard to demonstrate what you think she'll see as "high value". You are at that point nothing more than a desperate dancing monkey doing your best guess at what value you hope she'll see in you.

a woman having value? lmao. the average woman has nearly no value except maybe good looks. even the lamest guy can do better than "I was born with a pretty face"

Do millionaires and billionaires need to demonstrate high value to some chick?

Do pro athletes need to demonstrate high value to a chick?

Do box office actors?

what if she has never heard of you?

 

[fastlife]

Lol.

• Rolling up to the club in a nice car is a DHV
• Competing & winning an elite sports event is a DHV
• Photo shoots, interviews, red carpet events, being followed by paparazzi are all DHVs (a celebrity's WHOLE life is a DHV)
• Wearing nice clothes is a DHV
• Looking good is a DHV

All of these things are demonstrated in a highly public fashion--so a celebrity can roll up to a club & stand in the corner, assuming he's within his sphere of influence, & he doesn't have to DHV.

But let's say I go out tomorrow in gray sweatpants & a hoodie. Let's say I go out by myself to a venue where no one knows me:

• My value hasn't changed, BUT the environment's perception of my value would be starting at a lower point.
• None of the girls I approach would know that I have a lot of friends, none of them would know I have a good fashion sense, none of them would know about the girl I had over yesterday. I would not be demonstrating ANY of that value visually.
• Most girls would not be initially compelled by my approach--but let's say I casually mention the girl Tuesday (DHV=Preselection), let's say I mention a crazy party me & my friends had a couple weeks ago (DHV=Social Proof), let's say I convinced her friends to check out the next venue with me (DHV=Leader of Men).
• The girl initially unreceptive to my approach would suddenly start throwing IOIs & probably go home with the dude who came to the bar by himself in gray sweat pants.

Come on, @9Volt, I know you're doing the Lord's work but you can't disprove game concepts without a rudimentary understanding of them Your argument is pretty much akin to Everyone knows cars are useful; if a car was high value its manufacturer wouldn't have to advertise it. They would just park it in the lot and buyers would come. When was the last time you saw a Lamborghini commercial on TV?

 

[BeTheChange]

Retarded post is retarded.

You might have a super saiyan level of high value but if no one sees it, it means nothing in the moment.

People aren't going to recognise value unless they can see it. I might own the club and every property on the street but if I'm sat in a corner with a pair of torn jeans and ripped trainers then the guy in the leased suit using his rent money to pop bottles is going to have higher value than me to 99 percent of women in that environment. Perception matters. That's why for better or for worse appearance is paramount to ones success as a DJ.

 

[9Volt]

Ya, but what if my value were too high, and her value paled in comparison, and thus my higher value could only reasonably be demonstrated as lower value to match hers, but as we conjoin values, her value inherently is higher than my demonstrated lower value, and thus, I must revert back to my original high value, which averts her as her value is still lower than my high value, ergo leaving me at a value surplus, to which I become conscious of and compensate by again demonstrating lower value, which she recognizes and rebuts with her true value, which is higher than my original high value?

^^^Panduring "DHV" goof gon pander. You know you're that same dancing monkey.

 

[9Volt]

Retarded post is retarded.

You might have a super saiyan level of high value but if no one sees it, it means nothing in the moment.

People aren't going to recognise value unless they can see it. I might own the club and every property on the street but if I'm sat in a corner with a pair of torn jeans and ripped trainers then the guy in the leased suit using his rent money to pop bottles is going to have higher value than me to 99 percent of women in that environment. Perception matters. That's why for better or for worse appearance is paramount to ones success as a DJ.

Seeing as well as possessing high value is one thing. Let's not act like the manosphere "gamer" community isn't suggesting putting on an act when they don't possess that same high value in the first place.

 

[Urbanyst]

Its not that simple. Women who don't know you have no way of knowing you are high value other then if you're good looking and well dressed.

I will say that your attitude changes when you consider yourself high value. Like since I started making good money I've become more arrogant and entitled and I don't try hard to impress women because I don't have to. Women know you have value when you are not trying to impress them.

Game teaches you to be a challenge for this reason. Being a challenge makes you seem like you have abundance and a lot going on. If this is true, you will naturally be a challenge. If its not true, you will have to put on a clown show to attract women out of your league.

Men with abundance act like it. Desperate men act like it. Game teaches desperate men how to act like men with abundance to trick women.

 

[Atom Smasher]

The display of value is important, but I have shifted my focus in life to 80% displaying high value to myself, and 20% to the outside world, instead of the other way around.

When I started displaying value to myself, I automatically knew how to display it to the world. Clothing and grooming are of the most critical importance... these are the equivalent of makeup on women. Clothing doesn't have to be expensive, nor does it have to be super-stylish. It just has to be neatly put together. There's no excuse for a man to be walking around in sweats.

Here's a news flash that many men have no clue about: 90% or higher of women will immediately judge your value based on your shoes! The first insta-rejection can easily be based on your shoes. Women are obsessed with them and will use that as a metric to evaluate your worth.

Bottom line, live to prove value to yourself, and the rest will fall into place. There is still great value in how you present yourself to the world, because after all, how you present yourself shouts out to others what you think of yourself. You don't need money to pull this off. You just need to dress a little more neatly than the other slobs who are running around.

 

[The Duke]

If you aren't getting comments from women on the shoes you are wearing, then you aren't wearing the right ones! And yes shoes are super important to women.... most I know have at least 50pairs in their closet.

I'd bet that women notice shoes as much as we notice their boobs. ;-)

 

[guru1000]

If you aren't getting comments from women on the shoes you are wearing, then you aren't wearing the right ones! And yes shoes are super important to women.... most I know have at least 50pairs in their closet.

I'd bet that women notice shoes as much as we notice their boobs. ;-)

I never got complimented on my shoes, though I wear some of the finest Italian-design square toe, alligator-truffled shoes known to man, like a true pimp Matter of fact, I rarely get compliments on a first date at all; they're too busy baking in their own insecurities as to whether I like them.

But yes, shoes are extremely important. So are fitted shirts, pants, a nice watch (if you can't afford exclusive designers, get a knockoff). My usually walk-in is a Hugo Boss white-button down with collar stays, tailored and fitted to hug but not grab, Italian tailor made- and fitted pants, shoes mentioned above, and a Ballon Bleu Cartier watch.

Add to this a well-groomed face (skin, hair, teeth) and physique of 10% bf with perfect proportions that will make women shake, there's not much that you need to say on the date. She will close herself.

 

[Atom Smasher]

The shoes can even be relatively cheap ones. It's the condition that counts, not so much the brand or quality.

My girlfriend told me she loves the fact that I keep my cars neat because the way a man treats his car correlates to the way he will treat his woman. It's probably the same way with shoes, but it also shows her how he feels about himself.

Watch women when they meet a new person. First their eyes go to the face, and then secondly, down to the shoes. If anyone here is wearing worn out or dirty shoes, you are seriously hampering your game.

 

[Urbanyst]

If you aren't getting comments from women on the shoes you are wearing, then you aren't wearing the right ones! And yes shoes are super important to women.... most I know have at least 50pairs in their closet.

I'd bet that women notice shoes as much as we notice their boobs. ;-)

No woman is going to sleep with you because of the shoes you are wearing bro. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[9Volt]

"Value" is subjective and situational.

You cannot be a mind reader trying to guess what each specific person finds as "high value" unless they already see and know you are high value to them.

a plumber is high value when you need them not an electrician. and vice versa. You have to be that high value in the situation for that person's needs. Not guess what a person needs and then pretend to try to play that role. you don't get to decide what others know are the high value they need for themselves.

game simply teaches acting and pandering. that's not actually being high value but low value.

 

[Atom Smasher]

No woman is going to sleep with you because of the shoes you are wearing bro. Don't be ridiculous.

Nowhere have I ever stated that women will sleep with a man because of his shoes. Before you throw around the term, "ridiculous", you should make sure you understand the concept being stated. You clearly don't.

 

[The Duke]

No woman is going to sleep with you because of the shoes you are wearing bro. Don't be ridiculous.

Hmm...reading comprehension should be your first step towards self- improvement......BRO!!!! ;-) .

I've had many women stop me and make a comment about my footwear. The same thing happens with premium cologne. Believe what you want. My guess is you've never experienced things like this.

 

[devilkingx2]

No woman is going to sleep with you because of the shoes you are wearing bro. Don't be ridiculous.

no one thing picks up girls most likely unless you're a one trick pony

 

[9Volt]

Lol.

• Rolling up to the club in a nice car is a DHV
• Competing & winning an elite sports event is a DHV
• Photo shoots, interviews, red carpet events, being followed by paparazzi are all DHVs (a celebrity's WHOLE life is a DHV)
• Wearing nice clothes is a DHV
• Looking good is a DHV

All of these things are demonstrated in a highly public fashion--so a celebrity can roll up to a club & stand in the corner, assuming he's within his sphere of influence, & he doesn't have to DHV.

But let's say I go out tomorrow in gray sweatpants & a hoodie. Let's say I go out by myself to a venue where no one knows me:

• My value hasn't changed, BUT the environment's perception of my value would be starting at a lower point.
• None of the girls I approach would know that I have a lot of friends, none of them would know I have a good fashion sense, none of them would know about the girl I had over yesterday. I would not be demonstrating ANY of that value visually.
• Most girls would not be initially compelled by my approach--but let's say I casually mention the girl Tuesday (DHV=Preselection), let's say I mention a crazy party me & my friends had a couple weeks ago (DHV=Social Proof), let's say I convinced her friends to check out the next venue with me (DHV=Leader of Men).
• The girl initially unreceptive to my approach would suddenly start throwing IOIs & probably go home with the dude who came to the bar by himself in gray sweat pants.

Come on, @9Volt, I know you're doing the Lord's work but you can't disprove game concepts without a rudimentary understanding of them Your argument is pretty much akin to Everyone knows cars are useful; if a car was high value its manufacturer wouldn't have to advertise it. They would just park it in the lot and buyers would come. When was the last time you saw a Lamborghini commercial on TV?

Value is subjective. Just because you believe you possess “high value” doesn’t mean another person will see that in you. You, I or no one is a mind reader on what another determines is high value to them. Which when trying to “display high value” is only pandering and guessing at what you think they determine is “high value”.


If you need a truck it doesn’t matter how a car dealer tries to convince you need a car. You need a truck. Therefore a car’s “value” isn’t needed in that situation. The dealer is simply being a try-hard to convince you to see “value” instead of you already determining what actually is high value to you.


Do you see “high value” in a chick who tries to prove she’s “high value” to you when you aren’t interested in her? No. You see a desperate to prove herself chick that you aren’t interested in.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Hmm...reading comprehension should be your first step towards self- improvement......BRO!!!! ;-) .

I've had many women stop me and make a comment about my footwear. The same thing happens with premium cologne. Believe what you want. My guess is you've never experienced things like this.

True. This helps, as it creates an "opening".

 

[Urbanyst]

You touched on something very important Urbanyst. This is something only an entitled guy who's been validated by women because of his value and status can understand. This is how I know who is actually high value, and who isn't.

It's called entitlement

It is a switch inside your head that turns on and you go from Clark Kent to Superman.

First comes the value(Looks, money, resources). Then comes the status. Then comes abundance (every woman in your social circles wanting to bang you). Then comes entitlement.

Your brain was designed to work in social tribes (work environment, clubs, social circles, etc). Entitlement is a switch that turns on when you are the de facto alpha male and all women validate you.

Entitlement makes you a flawless natural with women.

You will rarely, if ever, make a mistake. I don't remember the last time I did.

Inside a social circle, you always sense sexual tension and use plausible deniability to get her alone and have sex with her.

Outside in the field, as soon as you sense an ioi, you immediately approach and assume attraction.. And when you sense she is attracted, you make out with her.

Entitlement goes with you everywhere.

Entitlement is perfect confidence with women.

Entitlement is the missing link between a guy learning game and a natural. All game advice tells you to act as if you are entitled.

Entitlement is the absence of all negative internal beliefs with women. It's like game doesn't even exist. Like taking a "limitless" pill when it comes to women and everything becomes completely effortless.

Newbies don't know about this phenomenon because they don't have it. They can't see above their own limited reality of having to rely on tactics.

No matter what techniques you do as a seducer, don't you always feel like you are missing some kind of belief?

Entitlement is the end goal. The switch cannot turn on in your brain if you are not an alpha male of your environment.

Why do you think all alpha males act with the same sense of entitlement?

Guys without entitlement have to work 100 times harder and battle so many negative internal beliefs just to APPROACH women.

Entitlement comes from abundance. Abundance comes from having status. Having status comes from being a man of high value.

In broad day light, when I am surrounded by women in my social circles that validate me, my entitlement switch turns on and suddenly I felt like super mario touching the star.

And then I when I go back to the night clubs, I'll start making out with chicks without saying a word. It's like confidence on steroids.

When you act entitled, women backwards rationalize "This guy must be high value to be acting that way." That's essentially what game is. To act as if.

But the entitled alpha males do it unconsciously.

So in a way, high value guys DO demonstrate it by being c0cky, arrogant, full of themselves, dominating, assuming attraction, taking women rather than trying to impress them, assuming the close, thinking he's God's gift to women, etc. These are all the hallmarks of a player, aka the most validated guy.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. When you have value, status, and abundance, you WILL act entitled.

The is the guy you always see women complaining about, not being able to make him commit, be faithful, etc. When women say "All men....." they actually just mean the high value guys.

I would say entitlement is a combination of demonstrating power and arrogance.

This is so true. Something happens when you become successful. I always believed I would never change no matter how successful I got. But success changes you anyway. You really start to believe you are superior. Then you start acting like it and people validate you by being intimidated, compliant or insecure around you. This just makes you feel more superior.

I was still pretty modest when I first started doing well. But people just treat you so differently and eventually your ego catches up. If hot women are coming onto me, I must be attractive. If people treat me like I'm a big deal, I must be a big deal.

You can fake your status with game and be treated better short term, but eventually the facade is uncovered and you get rejected or humiliated.