Trump's Travel Ban

[BlueAlpha1]

Iraq was stable beforehand, too much so.

It was a "stable" totalitarian dictatorship. Just like North Korea is "stable". Give me a break.

The reason the West got all pissy pissy about it was because of their ties to the Sykes-Picot Agreement (which of course we don't learn about in school). Per the agreement, Europe (our allies) especially did not want another Islamic empire rising up.

And why should we? Muslim empires don't play nice with others. As per the Quran, the non-Muslims are required to convert, die, or live as 2nd class citizens. And don't tell me I'M just taking the "bad parts of the texts" literally. The Ottoman Empire implemented this for 500 years, including the Armenian Genocide which you also don't learn about in school. And half of the Muslim world is implementing Sharia today.

Your virtual signaling will get you nowhere if the Islamic empire ever comes here.

The only people Saddam Hussein chose to kill were Shia and Jews because they wanted to kill him and Sunnis (Iran for example is predominantly Shia and they're crushing Sunnis now that they got power in that country).

You can't actually be serious? Double, please, this is just stark raving lunacy. You might simply be too young to have accurately studied history, but then again the conspiracy theories are abound in these circles from people much older than you.

Saddam Hussein was famous for secret police, torture, rape, deportations, unexplained disappearances, executions, chemical warfare, violating UN resolutions, and invading sovereign countries. What you said is just patently false. The guy killed close to a million people, including 100,000 Kurds.

Zionism was first talked about during the discussion of this agreement which is why many Arabs hate Jews, and the West as well. We're pretty fvcked up to say the least.

No, it isn't. You people can't get through a discussion about radical Islam without bringing up "Zionism". Get this through your head: Arabs hate Jews because of what's in their holy book.

There are legitimate criticisms of Israel, but stop blaming a 70 year old country for the barbarity that spans 1,500 years. I know anti-Semites really hate to be called anti-Semitic, but there can be no other way to explain this sort of anti-Jewish hysteria.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

It was a "stable" totalitarian dictatorship. Just like North Korea is "stable". Give me a break.

True enough.

And why should we? Muslim empires don't play nice with others. As per the Quran, the non-Muslims are required to convert, die, or live as 2nd class citizens. And don't tell me I'M just taking the "bad parts of the texts" literally. The Ottoman Empire implemented this for 500 years, including the Armenian Genocide which you also don't learn about in school. And half of the Muslim world is implementing Sharia today.

Your virtual signaling will get you nowhere if the Islamic empire ever comes here.

I don't understand why people always say that about Islam. Part of the reason why the Ottoman Empire fell was because of it's millet court system. If you were not Muslim, you were not subject to certain laws of Sharia. It even says in the Quran that a Muslim cannot force a non-Muslim to follow their religion. Look up verse 2:256.

You can't actually be serious? Double, please, this is just stark raving lunacy. You might simply be too young to have accurately studied history, but then again the conspiracy theories are abound in these circles from people much older than you.

Saddam Hussein was famous for secret police, torture, rape, deportations, unexplained disappearances, executions, chemical warfare, violating UN resolutions, and invading sovereign countries. What you said is just patently false. The guy killed close to a million people, including 100,000 Kurds.

Most of my knowledge comes from word of mouth, the media, and the internet so there most likely will be biases. Kurds have constantly caused problems everywhere though, they were pretty much the catalyst for the crusades. I actually recall learning in a history class in 6th grade that the Byzantine Empire had trouble with Kurds so they more or less asked the Pope for help and he ended up taking it to a whole new level waging a 'Holy War' or something. I'd have to read up more about it though.

No, it isn't. You people can't get through a discussion about radical Islam without bringing up "Zionism". Get this through your head: Arabs hate Jews because of what's in their holy book.

There are legitimate criticisms of Israel, but stop blaming a 70 year old country for the barbarity that spans 1,500 years. I know anti-Semites really hate to be called anti-Semitic, but there can be no other way to explain this sort of anti-Jewish hysteria.

The last place to really accept the Jews in the 1400s was Spain and the Ottoman Empire. Tomas de Torquemada essentially brought about Spain to rid the last of them. The only place left to accept them was the Ottoman Empire at that point. They weren't persecuted or exiled there. Like I said before, they had millets.

You cannot stay in a region for 40 years, leave it, and then say 3000 years later that it's your 'promised land' now that you see it more prosperous because other people now inhabit it. That's something I don't think is right to be honest.

 

[speed dawg]

What about Americans who are followers of Islam? Do we not have freedom of religion in this country?

When people left Europe for America, the freedom of religion they were seeking was the freedom from the Church of England or whatever ie different forms of Christianity. In no way did any of them picture having to deal with islam. And we still put up with the crap until it turns violent.

In my mind, islam is not welcome in the United States. It is not compatible with Christianity, which was at the root of the founding of this country. If you remove Christianity from the center of your worldview, something else will take its place.....atheism probably to start (which we have currently), then whoever outnumbers the other in order to take power. At the current rate of immigration, that WAS islam, and we were well on our way to a government influenced by islam ie SHARIA. But now, thanks to Trump, we can start to curb that crap.

People who support the spread of islam in this country are either muslims themselves, or are totally ignorant. That's it.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Driving out any one religion is the same as establishing a state religion, which the Constitution very emphatically says is a big no-no.

Here's a long article that talks about the way the government dangles fear of terrorists as a tool to manipulate, just like they used to do with the commies. It also mentions that the Irag invasion created ISIS by kicking the Baathists out of Iraq.
http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another-pipeline-war-1882180532.html

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Jesus man, people forget that Christianity did the same thing yet they were never branded as terrorists. Jihadists waging a 'Holy War'? Same thing the Crusades did back in the day. But that doesn't represent the whole religion. Punishing women for infidelity, killing gays, intolerance of other religions? It seems that all of you have forgotten about the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. They were even a white supremacist neo-nazi group that is still around today, no extremist Muslim says that one ethnicity is better than the other, yet they still were allowed to march in Washington D.C. That doesn't mean all Christians are bad though. It is the largest populated religion in the world after all. Islam is the fastest growing too but no one ever wonders why. Another thing people don't wonder about is that even though ISIS supposedly formed in 1999, why do we only know about it 10 months after Bin Laden dies?

Anyway, I don't want to argue about religion on the internet anymore, everyone already has their beliefs set no matter. Just remember that we in the West caused this though; the Sykes-Picot Agreement is literally one of the biggest causes of everything disastrous that's going on in the middle east. It's no wonder why they hate us so much.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Jesus man, people forget that Christianity did the same thing yet they were never branded as terrorists. Jihadists waging a 'Holy War'? Same thing the Crusades did back in the day. But that doesn't represent the whole religion. Punishing women for infidelity, killing gays, intolerance of other religions? It seems that all of you have forgotten about the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. They were even a white supremacist neo-nazi group that is still around today, no extremist Muslim says that one ethnicity is better than the other, yet they still were allowed to march in Washington D.C. That doesn't mean all Christians are bad though. It is the largest populated religion in the world after all. Islam is the fastest growing too but no one ever wonders why. Another thing people don't wonder about is that even though ISIS supposedly formed in 1999, why do we only know about it 10 months after Bin Laden dies?

Anyway, I don't want to argue about religion on the internet anymore, everyone already has their beliefs set no matter. Just remember that we in the West caused this though; the Sykes-Picot Agreement is literally one of the biggest causes of everything disastrous that's going on in the middle east. It's no wonder why they hate us so much.

Pointing to things that happened 100-1,000 years ago to divert away from the fact that radical Islamic terrorism is a bigger problem today than anything you mentioned is unproductive and ignorant. You make conversation about Islam impossible because it's always a diversion to "look what these other people did X centuries ago."

You've been watching too much of The Young Turks. You went right down their list of talking points. They've already been discredited as Marxist hacks that get money from the Islamic dictatorship Qatar.

To give you an idea of how silly these comparisons are, there are 5,000 members of the KKK left. There are 50,000 members in ISIS, and ISIS is one of hundreds of Islamic terrorist organizations that are running entire countries. As far as Neo-Nazis, there isn't even a centralized group anymore. They're just scattered and disorganized and barely commit any violence.

And yes, the Crusaders were called Christian terrorists. One thousand years ago.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Get back to us when Islam is not 1000 years behind Christians in jihads and such.

I like Double, but that post was the embodiment of virtue signaling; the process of excusing away despicable ideas in the name of pseudo-tolerance because non white people are doing it. It is white people shouting from the rooftops how "non racist" they are.

Tolerance for people who would love to kill or enslave him, mind you.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Jesus man, people forget that Christianity did the same thing yet they were never branded as terrorists. Jihadists waging a 'Holy War'? Same thing the Crusades did back in the day.

I'm glad that you brought up the Crusades. They happened only 900 years ago, so it's clearly a very relevant analogy in the context of modern day immigration policy. And it's not like the Muslims bitterly fought the Crusaders in many wars and eventually destroyed the Crusader kingdoms. As anyone who has studied history will tell you, medieval Muslims welcomed the Crusaders with open arms, and gave them welfare and freedom of religion. We owe the same thing to present-day islamic extremists.

 

[Bible_Belt]

https://medium.com/@jakefuentes/the...d-were-falling-for-it-b8910e78f0c5#.gtb5f5t9d

"We’ve just tested the country’s willingness to capitulate to a fascist regime."

 

[Bible_Belt]

Explain to me how it's a good thing when Federal police ignore orders from a Federal Court? Trump is dismantling the checks and balances of the Constitution. That's exactly what fascist regimes do.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Well Barry did set the great precedent that it is legal for the president to murder American citizens without a trial, as long as we call them terrorists. By Trump removing the military representation on the National Security Council, who is in charge of deciding who we assassinate, he made it a lot more friendly to him and his interests. He can now send the military to kill people without a member of the military being there to object to the idea.

 

[speed dawg]

Jesus man, people forget that Christianity did the same thing yet they were never branded as terrorists. Jihadists waging a 'Holy War'? Same thing the Crusades did back in the day. But that doesn't represent the whole religion. Punishing women for infidelity, killing gays, intolerance of other religions? It seems that all of you have forgotten about the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. They were even a white supremacist neo-nazi group that is still around today, no extremist Muslim says that one ethnicity is better than the other, yet they still were allowed to march in Washington D.C. That doesn't mean all Christians are bad though. It is the largest populated religion in the world after all. Islam is the fastest growing too but no one ever wonders why. Another thing people don't wonder about is that even though ISIS supposedly formed in 1999, why do we only know about it 10 months after Bin Laden dies?

Anyway, I don't want to argue about religion on the internet anymore, everyone already has their beliefs set no matter. Just remember that we in the West caused this though; the Sykes-Picot Agreement is literally one of the biggest causes of everything disastrous that's going on in the middle east. It's no wonder why they hate us so much.

Legit LOL. People love to point to the Crusades and the Klan like that was anywhere NEAR what is going on today, by the sword of the muslim animals.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Legit LOL. People love to point to the Crusades and the Klan like that was anywhere NEAR what is going on today, by the sword of the muslim animals.

It is quite a pivot from reality to be sure. The KKK killed 4,200 people over the course of 100 years and haven't killed anyone in 35 years. Muslims nearly matched that in one day on 9/11. The Crusades, which happened 1,000 years ago, was a response to Muslim conquest and were short lived by historical standards. Today, "Christian terrorists" are so rare we know their names. There have been 9 abortion clinic bombings in America's 240 year history.

9 bombings is a productive day for ISIS. 4,200 dead bodies is a productive month. And ISIS is ONE head of a several hundred headed dragon. The KKK and Neo-Nazis are scattered and relatively non-violent. Radical Muslims are running entire countries.

There are only 3 people who use these flimsy comparisons.

1. Muslims who want to "strike back" at the white infidel for blaspheming their faith.

2. Non-Muslim, anti-white racists who want to remind whites to "know their place" because "look at what you once did"

3. Well meaning but woefully ignorant whites who want to appear tolerant against their own interests.

And this is coming from a non-Christian. I have no dog in the fight to defend Christians (or Jews), but I must be rational in my criticisms.

 

[backseatjuan]

I think you kids are just too suffocated with political correctness and liberalism, can't say that blacks commit the most crime, can't say that jews steal land and your money, but because of this terrorism thing it is fine to call muslim people trash. I blame Bush Jr. for starting this.

I refuse to participate in this discussion that a certain religion is bad.

Just will add this:

49% support ban, I am 1 of those 49%
41% do not support ban
10% are undecided

 

[speed dawg]

I think you kids are just too suffocated with political correctness and liberalism, can't say that blacks commit the most crime, can't say that jews steal land and your money, but because of this terrorism thing it is fine to call muslim people trash. I blame Bush Jr. for starting this.

No, we really can't. If I said this the liberals would be calling for my head (no pun intended). So, you are correct in your assessment overall.

I think you need to change your tune regarding religion. Islam is terrible, and worse than the others. No basis in reality, except to help mongrels who are jealous of others because their intellect isn't as high. If they want to practice that crap, go stay in the Middle East and do it. Swing on vines and bow on a fancy carpet 500 times and say alalahahalhala, I don't care, just quit beheading folks.

Otherwise, accept themselves and get freaking jobs like the rest of us.

 

[AhegaoMaker]

Trump has seen what is going on, and even hamfisted as it may be, has taken action.

It can only stem the tide for so long, but long enough for us to figure out what is going on.

I, for one, feel better about this, but not much, as these Muslim organizations in America are already here and infiltrating positions in the US government, and who knows who's really pulling the strings behind them. I wont be surprised if the CIA and the NSA haven't already buggered the hell out of every single establishment they have here, looking for any signs of plotted attacks.

I'm sure that I won't be the only one Postal-tier-ragequitting if we find ourselves one day living under the Islamic States of America.

 

[Derek Flint]

People with green cards have been detained in transit based on country of origin. Honestly, how is that even legal? The ACLU already won a lawsuit for the people currently in transit.

The irony is that now civil liberties groups will go after Trump's ass, and potentially his entire middle east immigration ban will be blocked, including restrictions on issuing visas from that part of the world.

 

[Derek Flint]

People with green cards have been detained in transit based on country of origin. Honestly, how is that even legal? The ACLU already won a lawsuit for the people currently in transit.

The irony is that now civil liberties groups will go after Trump's ass, and potentially his entire middle east immigration ban will be blocked, including restrictions on issuing visas from that part of the world.

 

[Derek Flint]

Legal according to US Code 1182 written in 1948

 

[Von]

Irak and Lybia... when the ''dictators'' took power in the hope of a ''Arabic powerhouse'' .... Khaddaffi and Saddam Hussein took over countries where there was no education, no legal system, no economy etc... and they modernized it... Like the Shah did with Iran...

All those dictators were initially putted in by the CIA

The CIA did the same **** in Latin America

Eventually the ''dictators'' ambitions started playing against ''other'' interests and that had to be taken down.

The dictatorship system wasn't perfect but these ''dictators'' brought more to the country than their predecessor, now those countries lies where the ''predecessors left when they were overthrown and before Saddam, Khaddaff etc...''

Every religion has its ''war and peace'' chapters... look at the Bible... it's written in the Bible that the jews or ''true followers'' must exterminate the neighbour kingdom because they don't follow the ''truth'' faith.

Without Islam, there would have no been a ''renaissance'', the Puritans philosphy which built the USA. Yes, modern USA history is ''revisionist'' because it consider only them.... WW2 didn't start in 1942... it started in 1939 and for certains countries 1938... just for example.

The ban was just a smoke screen for security and a real dagger for internal politics to put Trump people higher and get him some voter based... who we all know are people sick of the system (with reasons on my stuff).

However, it's not a reason to start a religious war... There is a reason... the USA have the ''bible belt''