After you realize how much work and sacrifice it takes to get hot girls, you wouldn't want to.

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I know in the "community" there is this whole "self-improvement" and "learn game" stuff going around. Just "improve yourself" and you'll be pulling supermodels as a geeky software engineer.

I've learned that once guys learn about the kind of sacrifice it takes to pull hot girls, they would not even want to. A lot will simply say "hot girls are b-tches" and "there is more to life than p-ssy". The truth is that as much as they advertise on PUA and even on here, very few guys are actually made to get hot girls or be seen as options by them. It isn't just genetics either, it's mindset and that determined spirit that I will talk about.

Getting hot girls actually requires sacrifice.

Getting the 8s and 9s, obviously the 10s if they exist, requires sacrifice. You won't get hot girls by being some MMORPG player that posts on PUA forums all day, now I wait for one of you give me that one rare exception that did it smh.

Despite what PUA might have told you, guys who get hot girls have actually put a lot of work into it or lucked into a lot of great circumstances (rich parents) growing up that made it possible.

You don't just approach 100+ hot girls looking like a dorky MMORPG player or a socially awkward nerd with no experience then expect to get them, it doesn't happen that way.

It requires sacrifice and results on paper.

The athlete who was excellent at his trade, had decent looks, and climbed to the top in his sport gets the supermodels.

The actor who risked it all and went completely out there to chase his dream, succeeded, and made it gets the supermodels.

The bar owner whose bar took off and managed to put some money on the line as well as make it big, he gets the hot girls.

The musician who practiced countless hours and made it big due to his one lucky break, made hit after hit, he gets hot girls.

What about the rest of the guys?

The rest of the guys who get model material girls, they have also put the work in.

A lot of them, if they don't have model looks themselves, put serious work into the gym to look good. They developed alpha personalities over the years which most of you don't really have. An alpha accepts the harsh truths of life and works around them instead of whining and resorting to sour grapes. A lot of them took up some interesting hobbies and lucked into one in which they met a hot girl.

Most of you are under the impression that reading game posts, knowing about game, and all that will get you hot girls, it won't.

The guy who put the work in at the gym, talked to lots of girls, failed hard, improved his life after countless hours of pain, developed an alpha personality over the years, and really put himself out there into circumstances where he is actually interacting with hot girls a lot might luck out.

The guy who preached about game, the nature of women, took on a cynical mindset, and attempted to be a game know it all will hardly have that sort of success.

Because it's easy.

It's easy to have that 9 to 5, come home, post on forums, and attempt to give off your scholarly knowledge on the nature of women.

It's hard to really get that top tier body, develop that alpha personality, find and get into those fun hobbies and groups that attract hot girls, be a part of their social world, and truly immerse yourself into the game. The path is full of roadblocks, rejections, and even at times acknowledging that your market value as a guy isn't quite there yet.

Once you realize how much work it takes, you won't even bother.

Once you realize that it is more than watching PUA vids, spam approaching randoms, and "learning game" if you want top tier girls; you would not even want to bother with it.
 

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The athlete who was excellent at his trade, had decent looks, and climbed to the top in his sport gets the supermodels.

The actor who risked it all and went completely out there to chase his dream, succeeded, and made it gets the supermodels.

The bar owner whose bar took off and managed to put some money on the line as well as make it big, he gets the hot girls.

The musician who practiced countless hours and made it big due to his one lucky break, made hit after hit, he gets hot girls.
And for every one of those guys who made it, there are 99 other guys who tried and failed. Maybe it was through no fault of their own, but there's only so much room at the top. Of the guys you mentioned, the bar owner probably has the best chance of success, but I've known many guys who have opened their own bar only to see it fail.

Tyler (Owen) from RSD is another guy who seems to imply that it takes a lot of work to get hot girls. All that "You have to go out six nights a week for 10 years and then you still might not be good at it" stuff has to make you think maybe it isn't worth it.
 

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I'm sorry, but you're looking at game from one aspect, from one point it's going to change in your life.

I'm fairly new to game, and am seeing real, tangible results with the work i've been putting in.

The stuff i'm doing now is working better than the stuff I did before game.

If your starting point before game is A, and regardless if you go to B, P, M, Z, then it is not a waste of time.

The only time it's a waste of time is when you're worse off than when you started. Which has happened to very few.
 

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Oily,

What is your point? To persist? To quit?

It is no secret that the most desirable women have the most choices. The most desirable women pair off with the most desirable men...men who themselves have the most choices.

Water seeks its own level.
 

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This thread falls under the illusion of action. If we think we have to "DO" something, we've lost already. Just be awesome, and ladies will notice!

Following rules, regulations, codes etc.... Is not fun. It's not the way to live. It's also the antithesis of Love. Love is about freedom and helping the other person with their problems.

Ladies want to have fun 24/7!!!
 

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Actually, after a brisk look at the OP, I have to agree that the whole PUA thing is a fantasy world-view that is only going to translate into reality for a few. Still, it markets itself to the masses.

That said, I think there are some useful skills to learn from the PUA/ game community if you have been pretty hopeless with woman. You learn to approach and be comfortable around women. You get better in general with women, even if that doesn't men increasing the number of notches on your bed-post. And then when that cute girl comes along you have a fair chance of success... even if she is only a so-called '6' or '7'. Anyway, these women often make up by miles what they might lack in superficial appearances.
 

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That's life in general nowadays. You are eother the best or are trash, no in-betweens anymore. You are either an out of shape flabby Bob, or you have a physique chiseled by the gods. You are either a retard who can't get a good job because of useless education or you make it to med school and make over 400k a year. You either have a lot of friends and know everyone or you are a nobody. The world has become so much more competitive than it used to be and so it makes it that much harder to actually succeed nowadays. That's why there's no more middle class anymore. People either try to be the best or just give up altogether. It's sad really. The same rules apply to women.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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That's life in general nowadays. You are eother the best or are trash, no in-betweens anymore. You are either an out of shape flabby Bob, or you have a physique chiseled by the gods. You are either a retard who can't get a good job because of useless education or you make it to med school and make over 400k a year. You either have a lot of friends and know everyone or you are a nobody. The world has become so much more competitive than it used to be and so it makes it that much harder to actually succeed nowadays. That's why there's no more middle class anymore. People either try to be the best or just give up altogether. It's sad really. The same rules apply to women.
Nah, you only have to be good enough. men are putting way too much work into this. Why? For some reason they want to get the attention of the photogenic floosies with zero personality. Women with quality don't like a try-hard. Still, that doesn't mean we shouldn't improve ourselves in this area... a little.
 

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I'm sure it is a Herculean effort (for a guy not seriously genetically blessed) to try to reach an elite level in the game. But most guys aren't REALLY looking for that. They just want a few notches with some decent looking women.
Yes, it's not like it's a life-style or worldview or anything.:D
 

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Nah, you only have to be good enough. men are putting way too much work into this. Why? For some reason they want to get the attention of the photogenic floosies with zero personality. Women with quality don't like a try-hard. Still, that doesn't mean we shouldn't improve ourselves in this area... a little.
We should always be improving. The progress is rewarding. And, it makes the quality of life better.

If you want women to adore you... Be adorable!!!!
 

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Nah, you only have to be good enough. men are putting way too much work into this. Why? For some reason they want to get the attention of the photogenic floosies with zero personality. Women with quality don't like a try-hard. Still, that doesn't mean we shouldn't improve ourselves in this area... a little.
Try-hards meaning being something you are not, aka a fake. Yeah they don't like fakes, but women LOVE men who have a passion. That shows ambition and potential.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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It's easy to have that 9 to 5, come home, post on forums, and attempt to give off your scholarly knowledge on the nature of women.

It's hard to really get that top tier body, develop that alpha personality, find and get into those fun hobbies and groups that attract hot girls, be a part of their social world, and truly immerse yourself into the game. The path is full of roadblocks, rejections, and even at times acknowledging that your market value as a guy isn't quite there yet.

Once you realize how much work it takes, you won't even bother.

Once you realize that it is more than watching PUA vids, spam approaching randoms, and "learning game" if you want top tier girls; you would not even want to bother with it.
Bro you are confusing the issues. No one cares how hard you work. Working "hard" and sleeping with a beautiful woman have NOTHING to do with each other. It's all about if you can make the sale. Some guys know how to sweet talk and can make the sale in 5 minutes . Other guys don't know how to talk and can't make the sale in 5 months.

But it sounds like you took all the advice on here, put in tons of work to get a good looking women, but couldn't close to deal with her so you are lashing out at us. Brutal. o_O
 

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Crab, meet bucket. @Listen_to_Olly I can summarize your OP in far fewer words: "I'm too much of a pvssy to risk rejection or to face potential failure, so I'd rather rationalize that it's just not possible or worth the risk, or idealize times & circumstances where less effort was necessary; and since I'm too much of a pvssy, I should convince other men that they shouldn't try either."

That's basically ALLLL you've done since you've joined SS. Listen, being good at anything takes sacrifice, effort, investment. No sh1t. You want to be rich? Well, if you weren't born that way, you better fvcking hustle. Want to lose weight? Better get your azz in the gym, can't eat that Big Mac tonight; depending on your metabolism, might can never touch a Big Mac again.

Some people start out with more advantages than you, some people start out with less. Will every single dude on SS pull a legit hottie? Maybe not; but if he puts in the work his chances are higher than if her doesn't. The point is, every single member of this forum can DO BETTER than they're doing now; and they can do better a year from then and better a year after that.

Have you ever hung around hot girls? Have you seen/heard about their exes? Hint--plenty of them have fvcked guys who haven't made any sacrifices, who are pretty much in every way unremarkable. The only thing those guys had in common were that 1.) She was available, 2.) Felt entitled to her and 3.) They were in a place & circumstance where they could meet her. Three things.

I go out ~8 nights a month; ~12 nights some months; some months a little less. Is it a grind? Yeah, sometimes. I can go out 3 nights and not meet a single legit hottie; but if I meet her on the 4th night, then that boosts my odds. Every time you leave your fvcking house your odds go up. Most guys don't. Every single time you open your fvcking mouth your odds go up. A vast majority of guys won't even say hello to a stunner. Every time you get rejected, your odds go up--since there will hopefully be things you learn from and you'll get more comfortable meeting hot girls; most guys reject themselves. I mean, regardless of your disadvantages, if you're giving yourself that many opportunities SOMETHING WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPENS. If you can do it once, you can repeat that result.

Pretty simple. 1.) Feel entitled. 2.) Meet her.

But let's just say that the universe has decided that @Listen_to_Olly will never fvck a hot girl. Actually, let's up the ante. Let's say the universe has decided that no girl ever will ever find you attractive and you'll die a virgin. So what would be more worthwhile? Just giving up and accepting your fate--or telling the universe to fvck itself and doing everything in your power to get what you want?
 

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I'm starting to think that it's just best to have an average to above average wife/girlfriend, main ltr, significant other, etc, but then have hot women as sidetrays. I had a long term relationship with one and it was a living nightmare. But she was an incredible beauty! The type where men and woman started at her and backtracked just to get a second glance. One of the main benefits of having a hot girlfriend is that I was able to pull alot of other women after they saw me out and about with her. She was extremely narcistic and she loved the attention too, which is the main reason we're not together anymore. :eek:

But I think guys need to have at least one or two in their lifetime just to see how it feels and get it out of their system.

But at this point in my life I could really care less, I have much bigger fish to fry and I actually like making money more than chasing extremely beautiful women...:cool:
 

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Hot girls = white sorority girls.

Therefore, you are a failure to @Listen_to_Olly if you are not fvcking hot white sorority girls.
 
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