5 Ways Exclusive Relationships Are Better Than Spinning Plates

[Poon King]

Nice try.

1) Bonding

Don't need ONE woman to do this. Just like you can have more than one friend or dog and still "bond".


2) Kids

Don't need ONE woman to do this. The commitment benefits the kids but not the man. We are talking about what benefits MEN and only men.


3) Sex whenever you please

Hah. No.. sex whenever SHE pleases.


4) Greater potential for improvement.

Improvement for what purpose? To be a better toolbox for ONE woman and keep her "happy" longer?

Again.. for what purpose?


5) She will care for you more so than other plates

Not necessarily.

A lot of men are in relationships are with women that despise them. The men are just too dumb to see it.. so they act like women are "mysterious". Women are not mysterious if you open your eyes.

 

[BeExcellent]

No surprise that sentence is bringing out the naysayers. Being supposedly exclusive is certainly no guarantee that you won't be cuckholded. But despite what the overly cynical think, not all women are out there screwing around on their husbands.

Some guys here are so bitter it's affected their judgement.

This is exactly what I am talking about. A man who holds good frame in an exclusive relationship has nothing to fear about being cuckolded. Many women are generally decent people and some (shocker) actually have character, morals, and principles. In fact that is the ONLY type of woman a man would be well served granting exclusivity.

Unfortunately I see men here complaining about women dating around behind their backs (but these same guys won't be exclusive either) and calling it cuckolded. Technically it isn't, but around here things have gotten pretty liberal in the way specific terms with specific meanings are being defined.

 

[BeExcellent]

Please explain this, although I get the sense that was just a troll sentence.

If she is exclusive to you you are not at risk of her screwing other men. Simple.

If you are not exclusive to her she has no obligation to screw only you. If you think she must be exclusive but you will not be exclusive with her then you are in for a rude surprise along the line.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I didn't want to get sucked into a long, drawn out argument but I'll entertain it. Here's why I believe it is false.

1) "Bonding" just leaves you open to heartbreak. According to OP "There is more emotion with it." Common sense will tell you that "emotions" are a woman's playing field. Once you get sucked into her emotions, logic gets thrown out the door and it's bye bye for you.

2) I don't necessarily disagree with this one because if you want your kids to be stable, generally, you also want a stable relationship. My issue comes with the current climate for fathers but that's another discussion.

3) This one is actually the one that made me laugh because it couldn't be any further from reality. As the level of commitment rises with a woman, the sex is going to dry up faster than pouring water on the sun. If you are getting married because you want to have more sex, you are in for a world of shock.

4) There was no talk of improvement here. Just "power plays". I don't see how that's an improvement. Just sounds like another source of headache.

5) This one stems from a need for external validation and comfort. It is what sends many men to their death traps. You don't "need" any woman to care for you. The moment a woman doesn't feel like she is getting what she wants, she will dip on you faster than you can blink. You will be left wondering "but...but....but...I thought she 'cared' for me". A man doesn't keep plates because he wants them to "care" for him. That's just ridiculous.

You are interpreting this wrong. First, you do not remain emotional the whole entire time, everyone knows that's stupid. I meant only occasionally, say for sex. Second, you do get more sex if you keep her interested in you. Why are you not able to keep her interested? This is more often than not a problem with yourself rather than external factors. Third, the improvement was implied by being able to detect the flaws she uses to try to gain control. Do not let her have the chance to be able to do so. And lastly, it is true that you don't NEED a person to take care of you. However, it makes your life a hell of a lot easier if someone does.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Not necessarily.

None of these goofy rules or lists are NECESSARILY true. Exceptions can always be found, more than those that "make the rule."

Sorting is everything. If you want ONE WOMAN that will satisfy a list of desires, you can find her if you SORT and QUALIFY and MAINTAIN correctly.

If you want a continuous and and ever changing sales funnel, you can find them if you SORT and QUALIFY correctly.

Plenty of people are happily married and couldn't live any other way.

Plenty of people are happily banging multiple partners and wouldn't live any other way.

Why the need to prove YOUR WAY (not anybody in particular) is the ONLY WAY?

 

[TheProspect]

I don't think a risk should stop you from doing something. The problem is when the risk is more probably going to go bad than good and the more you invest yourself emotionally (the supposed point of a relationship) the worse the bad becomes. Of course, ltrs are the only way to raise (functioning) children, so there's no real choice anyway. You just have to do damage limitation unless you don't want to reproduce/don't give a sh!t about your kids' well-being (neither do women who divorce their husbands for no reason (that they themselves didn't help cause, such as not having sex leading to the man cheating because he otherwise can't get any)).

1) Exactly, you'll probably never know. That's why it's hard to make a calculated risk. No idea why you think that shouldn't matter.

2) Nice try at creating a strawman, but it's not about women vs men, which would be a different discussion. Here, it's about what the smartest thing for me to do is. Other men are not my sexual partners.

I got it. You're making the argument that a relationship isn't the smartest thing for you.

None of these goofy rules or lists are NECESSARILY true. Exceptions can always be found, more than those that "make the rule."

Sorting is everything. If you want ONE WOMAN that will satisfy a list of desires, you can find her if you SORT and QUALIFY and MAINTAIN correctly.

If you want a continuous and and ever changing sales funnel, you can find them if you SORT and QUALIFY correctly.

Plenty of people are happily married and couldn't live any other way.

Plenty of people are happily banging multiple partners and wouldn't live any other way.

Why the need to prove YOUR WAY (not anybody in particular) is the ONLY WAY?

Couldn't agree more.

My best friend from high school has only kissed and slept with ONE girl his entire life. He's been together with her for 8 years now, married for 2, and they had a kid together last year.

He's arguably the happiest man I know.

But some people don't like hearing that. They'll try to rationalize why it won't last, or why he's an idiot, missing out, lazy, etc. Or they'll look for reasons to rundown a woman they don't even know. Misery loves company.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Nice try.

Definitely worth a shot haha

1) Bonding

Don't need ONE woman to do this. Just like you can have more than one friend or dog and still "bond".

I mean, you can't exactly have sex with a dog or one of your bros. Or well you can but.....

2) Kids

Don't need ONE woman to do this. The commitment benefits the kids but not the man. We are talking about what benefits MEN and only men.

Raise your kids right, they can take care of you in old age when you are no longer able to do so. There's a benefit of having kids. Someone might have kids thinking that. Raising kids in 2 different households with 4 different mothers and 6 different dads isn't exactly the best thing in the world. It is better to have kids with only one partner.

3) Sex whenever you please

Hah. No.. sex whenever SHE pleases.

If you don't have sex whenever you want, there is something you have done that lowered her attraction towards you. More than likely, this "thing" is something that is detrimental towards yourself and to others.

4) Greater potential for improvement.

Improvement for what purpose? To be a better toolbox for ONE woman and keep her "happy" longer?

Again.. for what purpose?

Improvement to be a better and stronger man. I recall you saying that men become exclusive because they are afraid of loss and/or because they're lazy, implying that spinning plates means you are not lazy nor fearing loss. If this is the case, then why would you want to expend more energy and resources on multiple women to make you 'not lazy' if being exclusive can show you your own internal issues that you now are able to solve? This is running away from your problems. Once you resolve all of these problems, finding long-lasting happiness peace within yourself is possible. Exclusive relationships can teach you about yourself more than you may believe.

5) She will care for you more so than other plates

Not necessarily.

A lot of men are in relationships are with women that despise them. The men are just too dumb to see it.. so they act like women are "mysterious". Women are not mysterious if you open your eyes.

Because these 'men' don't have the balls to be able to leave whenever they so choose to and have no leverage over their partner. They let the woman lead them. When a woman is leading a man, she feels like she has the power and as such does not fear losing her man. And because these women are leading when deep down they do not want to, they do not respect this so-called 'man' and resent him for it. As I have said in this point, if a woman were to feel like she has something to lose, she would not mistreat her husband in any way.

 

[AttackFormation]

This forum is becoming embarrassing. The purple pill is on the offensive. Practical tips on how to actually lay women that you can pick up and implement in your game tomorrow are nowhere. Oh well... I guess relationships change

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

This forum is becoming embarrassing. The purple pill is on the offensive. Practical tips on how to actually lay women that you can pick up and implement in your game tomorrow are nowhere. Oh well... I guess relationships change

Well it seems you know that there are not any tips in here because you know them all . What more could you possibly learn then at that point?

 

[Roober]

None of these goofy rules or lists are NECESSARILY true. Exceptions can always be found, more than those that "make the rule."

Sorting is everything. If you want ONE WOMAN that will satisfy a list of desires, you can find her if you SORT and QUALIFY and MAINTAIN correctly.

If you want a continuous and and ever changing sales funnel, you can find them if you SORT and QUALIFY correctly.

Plenty of people are happily married and couldn't live any other way.

Plenty of people are happily banging multiple partners and wouldn't live any other way.

Why the need to prove YOUR WAY (not anybody in particular) is the ONLY WAY?

Can we listen to this guy and stop with all of these silly threads??? Some want LTRs, others don't.. toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe!

But I will add my two cents...

1) bonding - I might give you this one, although having that new exciting bond every couple months has as much trade off as the same tired woman at your side for years. I don't really think this point could be made for either side

2) Kids - If your not an idiot, you will not be introducing your kids to all of your partners. You will be able to show your kids, especially boys, how to properly vet women. If you settled in an LTR (as most do), kids are more messed up... personally, I would rather raise my boys on my own, but I would never ask for full custody...

3) Secks whenever you please? no f**kin way... especially once kids come into the picture. BeExcellent and others are more of exceptions than the rule. There is big reasons why everyone knows there is less sex once you get married. Plates give you secks whenever you please, especially in the early stages... And it is new and exciting... In an LTR, you can change crap up as much as you want, but it's still the same pvssy...

4) Greater potential for improvement? This could go both ways. Women are one of the biggest reasons men don't reach their potential through kids or insecurity of his success. These women that fully support their man is few and far between...

5) I will give you this one because time makes bonds incredibly strong, but can also be debilitating...

I dunno, you could go both ways on all 5 of your points. The main point is that you are unlikely to find a woman that will give you a quality version of all 5 points... chance are you find someone that gives you a great secks life, but is insecure and limits your chance at success...

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

3) Secks whenever you please? no f**kin way... especially once kids come into the picture. BeExcellent and others are more of exceptions than the rule. There is big reasons why everyone knows there is less sex once you get married. Plates give you secks whenever you please, especially in the early stages... And it is new and exciting... In an LTR, you can change crap up as much as you want, but it's still the same pvssy...

Exclusive relationships. Not marriage. See below:

The phrase I used is 'exclusive relationship', not 'marriage'. Marriage at least somewhat voids #4 and #5.

For the people who would disagree, keep in mind this is any exclusive relationship that isn't marriage in the West.

I forgot to add in #3 as well and it is too late to edit the post.

 

[devilkingx2]

is this a parody thread?

1) Bonding
When you are in an exclusive relationship, you can bond with your partner on a much stronger level than with random babes you just bang. There is more emotion with it. Don't get me wrong, barbaric ape sex is hot and fun, but doing it off of pure lust isn't the same as when you do have emotions for a woman.

putting you in the perfect position to become completely cucked by the woman.

2) Kids
If you ever plan on having kids, you better believe that sticking with one woman is the right thing to do. Having more than one woman walking into your house (sometimes at the same time!) will definitely fvck with your kid's psychology.

would love to see a source on that. all it would do is teach your daughters their place and your sons how to be a man.

the real issue is how much more money and time it would cost you to have kids without a wife to support you or something, and also how you might lose them in a court battle.

3) Sex whenever you please
You might think that you can have sex whenever you want if you have multiple plates, but if that was really the case, then you wouldn't need to have so many women in the first place. NEXTing wouldn't even be a thing. You don't have an urge to have sex with every single woman you see, you just have an urge to have sex with women in general. In an exclusive relationship, you can have sex whenever you are so inclined (only if you play your cards right; if you are being a fvcking wuss then you're doign it wrong). This ties into point number 1—bonding. It's apart of the empathetic connection you two have for each other. When you want to fvck, so does she.

a long time ago a friend of mine was telling me about how he regrets getting a girlfriend, because he used to fool around with all the girls on his block and now that he has a gf, he only gets that one girl, who apparently didn't put out as much anymore, and he had to actually do boyfriend stuff with her like spend time together.

unless your gf happens to be a sex maniac who loves sex for the sake of it (this is the kind of girl most people would next because she'd likely have many many partners and be a total slvt when she is single), it's extremely unlikely she could or would give you more sex than having 3 plates would get you.

4) Greater potential for improvement.
Power plays. They will happen. No matter how subtle they may seem, they will happen. It's just how women are. She will slowly try taking more and more control of the relationship. Why though? Because you have made it possible for her to do so. If a woman tries taking more control of the relationship, it's because you flaws within your character allow her to. If you play your cards right though, you can continue to keep her extremely infatuated with you which means she will submit to you. She won't even attempt a power play at all. This ties into my next point.

this one doesn't really make sense, how exactly is there a greater potential for improvement there?

a better argument would be than in an LTR you can get the kind of sex that you normally wouldn't get from a plate since she's more invested it'll be easier to get her into the freaky **** you saw on pornhub

5) She will care for you more so than other plates
You all are thinking "Bullsh!t, I've had women completely change face after I got with them". This meant that you had a flaw within your character. A woman in an exclusive relationship will care for you more than your plates will because she actually has something to lose. If a woman suddenly changed in a negative way, she did not feel like she had anything to lose. This means that you messed up, not her.

but once she has gotten you to get rid of your side girls, you both equally have something to lose, it's hard to leverage that unless you don't really care about her which would contradict your point #1

last time i threatened to dump a girl for not giving me what i want, she called my bluff so i had to actually dump her, then i had no girls so i was up sh!t creek without a paddle. if i had two side girls at the time it wouldn't have been a problem

 

[zekko]

It's interesting that the posters who are most fearful of being cuckholded are the ones who do not want to get into relationships. I guess that makes sense.

I'm not fearful of a woman cheating on me, because then I would just dump her and get another girl. Not the end of the world, but then I don't have kids either. Kids complicate things considerably.

Practical tips on how to actually lay women that you can pick up and implement in your game tomorrow are nowhere.

Those threads are still here, or you can read the articles on the site. Given the subject line, I'm not sure why anyone would look for those tips in this thread.

 

[exhausted]

No surprise that sentence is bringing out the naysayers. Being supposedly exclusive is certainly no guarantee that you won't be cuckholded. But despite what the overly cynical think, not all women are out there screwing around on their husbands.

Some guys here are so bitter it's affected their judgement.

being a cuck is a choice to be a pathetic ***** pos
being cheated on and betrayed is not a choice.

of course we are we are fukn abused and mentally ruined to an extent

 

[zekko]

being a cuck is a choice to be a pathetic ***** pos
being cheated on and betrayed is not a choice.

I don't think anyone here is advocating being a cuckhold.

If you have open or non-exclusive relationship however, the odds increase that you are sharing her mouth and vagina with other men. I personally find this idea disgusting, plus I lean to the selfish side, plus I hate condoms, all of which are some reasons I tend to prefer LTRs.

 

[exhausted]

I don't think anyone here is advocating being a cuckhold.

If you have open or non-exclusive relationship however, the odds increase that you are sharing her mouth and vagina with other men. I personally find this idea disgusting, plus I lean to the selfish side, plus I hate condoms, all of which are some reasons I tend to prefer LTRs.

agreed all around.

 

[Poon King]

Definitely worth a shot haha

I mean, you can't exactly have sex with a dog or one of your bros. Or well you can but.....

What does sex have to do with bonding?

You're saying you can only bond with ONE woman you f*ck at a time?

Try again.

Raise your kids right, they can take care of you in old age when you are no longer able to do so. There's a benefit of having kids. Someone might have kids thinking that. Raising kids in 2 different households with 4 different mothers and 6 different dads isn't exactly the best thing in the world. It is better to have kids with only one partner.

You can have kids with ONE woman without committing ONLY to that one woman.

Try again.

If you don't have sex whenever you want, there is something you have done that lowered her attraction towards you. More than likely, this "thing" is something that is detrimental towards yourself and to others.

Guess what? When you have plates you don't have to give a sh!t if ONE woman loses interest.

Why should a man spend his days kissing ONE woman's ass to "keep her interest high"?

Try again.

Improvement to be a better and stronger man. I recall you saying that men become exclusive because they are afraid of loss and/or because they're lazy, implying that spinning plates means you are not lazy nor fearing loss. If this is the case, then why would you want to expend more energy and resources on multiple women to make you 'not lazy' if being exclusive can show you your own internal issues that you now are able to solve? This is running away from your problems. Once you resolve all of these problems, finding long-lasting happiness peace within yourself is possible. Exclusive relationships can teach you about yourself more than you may believe.

Bullsh!t.

Becoming a better and stronger man and devoting yourself to ONE woman has no connection whatsoever. NONE.

Try again.

Because these 'men' don't have the balls to be able to leave whenever they so choose to and have no leverage over their partner. They let the woman lead them. When a woman is leading a man, she feels like she has the power and as such does not fear losing her man. And because these women are leading when deep down they do not want to, they do not respect this so-called 'man' and resent him for it. As I have said in this point, if a woman were to feel like she has something to lose, she would not mistreat her husband in any way.

If you are committed to only ONE woman she is basically leading you.

Why do you think kings had harems? Its a man's natural state to want access to multiple women. Its only society's brainwashing that has men believing ONE woman is better than many.

If a man is dumb enough to get married.. then his wife has "nothing to lose". She has already won the game. If divorce happens.. she gets cash and other resources.

Try again. Keep trying.

 

[sazc]

What does sex have to do with bonding?

If you are committed to only ONE woman she is basically leading you.

Why do you think kings had harems? Its a man's natural state to want access to multiple women. Its only society's brainwashing that has men believing ONE woman is better than many.

If a man is dumb enough to get married.. then his wife has "nothing to lose". She has already won the game. If divorce happens.. she gets cash and other resources.

Try again. Keep trying.

I disagree. If you are committed to one woman that doe NOT automatically mean she is leading you. There are plenty of couples who are true partners, there are penty of couples where the man leads the woman and there are plenty of couples where the woman owns the man. This site is all about how to maintain your frame so that, when you get into any relationship with a woman (LTR OR PLATE) you can lead as a man.

You have made it very clear that you arent looking to be vulnerable with a female, so sex doesn't equate to intimacy or bonding with you but I can assure you, when we dive off into a psychological viewpoint, sex creates/enhances intimacy and that, in turn, creates/enhances bonding. It's not the only element, but definitely a piece of the puzzle.

I am also disappointed that you continue to attack the characters of the men here, ad hominem style, when they post that they are looking for a one man, one woman, relationship, instead of trying to sensibly guide them into being mindful of the things that can go wrong.

Men who are looking to get married are not dumb. Some people WANT to get into committed relationships with females and there are a thousand ways to do it without loosing personal and financial leverage. Understanding what Rollo was communicating is one way to understand if the female you are with is marriage material. Pre nuptual agreements are a way to ensure you dont loose your ass if a divorce happens.

You CONSTANTLY call posters out about trying to 'control what you post' and 'how dare they' yet YOU continue to disrespect ANYONE who has a viewpoint that differs from yours. It's ridiculous.

I really dont understand why everyone doesn't simply ignore your completely attention seeking posts.

BTW, your name calling tactics reveal a TON about who you are, on many levels, I know you are smarter than that. Post smarter.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I really believe a lot of it has to do with the frame you maintain with your woman.

This is the thing.

Years ago I had a gf who, for various reasons, started being distant and denying, partly because I was being weak in some ways.

Yet as soon as I became distant and indifferent myself towards the end of the relationship, checking out other women, she began throw herself at me again.

Simply a matter of maintaining options, or at least remaining in the mindset of a person with options; people always have options, most just never realise it.

 

[sazc]

A simple google search reveals the character of someone who resorts to name calling when discussing an idea. They gets anxious, frustrated, angry and feel invalidated when people dont IMMEDIATELY agree with their ideas. The persons sense of self worth and self esteem depend greatly on how readily accepted viewpoints are. It's JUST LIKE those instagram and facebook chicks constantly posting selfies and checking to see how many likes and positive comments they have gotten. Attention seeking behavior of individuals who lack self esteem. Such a shame.

http://outofthefog.website/top-100-trait-blog/2015/11/4/name-calling

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Now let’s get into name-calling about the same rug: “Why would anyone buy this rug? What kind of moron puts a pale, fluffy rug in a public area? Look at the way those colors clash; it looks like someone ate a box of crayons and then threw up on the floor!” With name-calling, we get personally affronted and it’s about our own emotions.
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Name-Calling
Use of profane, derogatory or dehumanizing terminology to describe another individual or group.
Labels Designed to Hurt

Name-calling is one of the most common tactics people use to hurt others or disparage them. It often occurs when someone has an emotional argument to make with little or no supporting logical argument.

The emotional mind can often have a “mind of its own” or “emotional intelligence” which operates independently of the logical mind, and name-calling is a product of this emotional mind, an explosion of feeling in the form of barbed words.

Most people who indulge in name-calling know that the label or name they choose to describe another individual is not factually accurate. The label is often regarded as hyperbole or as a metaphor. Something which more accurately describes how the speaker feels about the other person than what the speaker actually thinks about the other person.

The Difference between Judgment and Name Calling
In the book "The Language of Emotions", author Karla McLaren illustrates the difference between judgment and name calling using the example of a household rug:

"Let’s imagine a rug that isn't ideal for the room we’re in. We can judge the rug and see that its pile is too high or the color is wrong. Perhaps we feel sad that money was wasted, but we freely process information about it and add that information to our skill set. That’s judgment. It’s not name-calling; it’s a considered, decisive process. We have a problem with the rug, we have feelings about it, and we’re definitely judging it, but we’re not doing damage to our minds, our emotions, or our psyches. Therefore, we move forward with more knowledge about rugs and rug care and about purchases in general.

Now let’s get into name-calling about the same rug: “Why would anyone buy this rug? What kind of moron puts a pale, fluffy rug in a public area? Look at the way those colors clash; it looks like someone ate a box of crayons and then threw up on the floor!” With name-calling, we get personally affronted and it’s about our own emotions.

In both of these examples, we don’t like the rug. But name-calling doesn’t make us smarter, stronger, or more aware—it just pits us in futile opposition to a floor covering. Healthy judgment helps us choose what works in our lives."