Time to Kill Disney. ALL Women are Prostitutes

[Poon King]

I see where you are going with this Poon but I have to disagree with there only be 2 categories of men.

LTR betas may be men that really powerful guys that want arm candy, that want regular sex without all of the hassle and the like. However, the social contract that western society has operated off of for thousands of years, has largely been broken over the last 50 years or so. Now, you as a guy can give the resources but the girl can say f you, I've got your resources, bye bye! Oh and by the way, you're going to pay for me and the kid(s) for a long time. The guy may be stupid but that doesn't mean he's beta. The guy may be naive but that doesn't mean he's beta.

I'd truly like to see most, if not all guys, really work on going around modern social conventions, girl power crap and the like, to put them back in their respective places. Hey, if you're a chick and you want to be a billionaire and can do it, do it then. Don't feed off of a man or ride his coat tails to success, do it on your own. However, assuming that most women don't have those same empire building urges that men do, if you want the resources, you have to pay out. If most or all men starting holding their feet to the fire on this, this is going to change how society works again, going back to a more logical order of things. This is good for males and females. What we have now goes against the universal order of things.

When I talk about "alpha" I always say its a mindset, not a situation. So is beta. Its about how a man views the situation he is in.

Remember that my main attack on LTR's is being exclusive. Here lies a man's leverage. Once a man agrees to be exclusive he gives a woman "ownership". Once she has ownership.. she has a monopoly on sex, attention, etc. This means.. if he cheats on her.. he is an "a*shole" and if she slashes his tires out of anger she is "justified". When you don't agree to be exclusive.. she has to keep working and doing things on your terms. This is heaven.

Per example.. I currently have just one plate (hence the free time). I like to drop plates around the holidays.. then pick up new plates closer to V-day. Even with one plate, there is no fear of "messing this golden opportunity up" if I f*ck another woman. And if I meet another women say.. tomorrow that I find attractive I will ask for her number without hesitation. Then I will try to bed her. Because why not? I haven't agreed to be "exclusive" with anyone. We are just "dating". I'm free like a bird AND I get regular sex. I might agree to be "exclusive" with a woman who lives in another city. I've done it before. But that works because of the buffer zone that distance provides. She can't "pop in" randomly.

I think men with a strong need to latch onto one woman are weak. If you have one woman because nothing else is available.. then whatever. But if you have one woman because "OMG I can't f*ck this up!" then you're a faggot. Sorry.

Is there a downside to my way of thinking? Haven't found one yet. I've found women are more respectful, obedient and submissive this way. Keeps their self-esteem in check. Keeps them wanting more. Keeps them on their toes. Reverses the power dynamic in YOUR favor.

Do plates eventually leave once its clear things are not "going anywhere"? Of course. Is keeping them around worth my freedom? Not in my opinion.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

some women do. some females are ride or die. some females believe in family, believe in supporting their husbands 100% some females will love you unconditionally

Yeah they do.

 

[Tenacity]

But some of those people are ones who are on the fence. They may identify with your message but then are knocked into ignorance or a position that they refuse to give up because of a passive-aggressive remark or an outright put-down by you.

This is what I've been trying to tell the man (Poon King). The man has a great writing style and I actually agree with most of the content, the content I don't agree with is the extreme Red Pill/MGTOW/Women are ALL "X" commentary. The rest of the information is good information.

The man shouldn't be calling people fag.gots who disagree with him. All that does is distract from the quality discussions WE ALL need to be having on this forum.

If we have disagreement, let's sit the fvck down and DISCUSS like men. I promise you, we all will be better for it even if we end up agreeing to disagree....at least we would have BOTH provided excellent information/viewpoints to the same problem.

Because I will say this, women of this market are god damn complicated. There IS NO 100% gospel that explains every woman of this market. It doesn't exist. The shyt is very complicated and when you break down the cultural groups, it presents it's own set of challenges.

Dealing with black women who came from single parent households with no Father figure, is going to be different THAN dealing with White or Asian Rebecca who comes from a two-parent, married household, who had a Trust Fund and who attended an Ivy League.

 

[BeExcellent]

If people are "offended" then they can cry and call your mommy.

Frankly I think the title of this post and the Dating Market Sucks post are whiner posts. Rooted in negativity and school yard name calling. @TheProspect is correct that some of your content is indeed good, but you then insult people. Rational people do not need to insult others if the logic of the position is self-evident.

Funny how you call everyone out yet you are the one starting a whiner thread for the express purpose of whining. I find that ironic.

Get better gentlemen. Improve yourselves and get better. Once you are better the markets will look much different.

 

[TheProspect]

Remember that my main attack on LTR's is being exclusive. Here lies a man's leverage. Once a man agrees to be exclusive he gives a woman "ownership". Once she has ownership.. she has a monopoly on sex, attention, etc. This means.. if he cheats on her.. he is an "a*shole" and if she slashes his tires out of anger she is "justified". When you don't agree to be exclusive.. she has to keep working and doing things on your terms.

When the fvck did agreeing to be exclusive equate to agreeing to be a spineless captive to your partner?

In regards to LTRs, a man's leverage lies more in him having a backbone rather than his exclusivity. A woman will keep working and do things on your terms if she BELIEVES you WILL walk the moment she doesn't. This is where most unenlightened men fail. They catch feelings and let themselves become dependant. They let the roles reverse and the relationship then becomes on the woman's terms. Agreeing to be exclusive does NOT mean a man gives a woman any "ownership", at least if the man agrees to exclusivity on his own terms. It's incredibly ludicrous and shortsighted to enter into any relationship where you put your partner on a pedestal and willingly accept anything and everything they do, no one would argue with that. A woman only has a monopoly on sex if and when her behaviour maintains a high standard of quality. What's wrong with that if you are LTR-minded? Remember you're talking about LTR's, not spinning plates. Any women seeking a LTR and who is capable of adhering to such a high standard of quality indefinitely (as rare as she may be) will also value herself enough not to be dragged along endlessly. Don't worry about getting your car tires slashed, you shouldn't cheat if you agree to be exclusive. And you shouldn't agree to be exclusive if you're going to be a woman's hostage either.

 

[ubercat]

The situation does improve with age. I find my LTRs have a natural shelf life of 1.5 to 2 years. Between times I'm happy to spin plates for the novelty or equally happy to just enjoy the peace and quiet

 

[logicallefty]

Poon King is the Donald Trump of SoSuave. His specific 'speak his mind style' the way he does it is unique to him. Many people love his style and position on issues, extreme or not. Other people will argue with him if he says that 2+2=4; he will never be 'right'. I see a lot of that in this thread. But like him/hate him, call him truthful or full of BS, he is the most popular SS member right now in terms of 'posts liked'. And that's 'popular likes' as in no Electoral College!

 

[Poon King]

Frankly I think the title of this post and the Dating Market Sucks post are whiner posts.

Calling a spade a spade is not whining.

Whining is for people who can't or don't get what they want. I get what I want so I have nothing to whine about.

Nice try. I'm still waiting for your list of 5 ways commitment benefits men from the other thread. I guess Christmas will come first.

Rooted in negativity and school yard name calling. @TheProspect is correct that some of your content is indeed good, but you then insult people. Rational people do not need to insult others if the logic of the position is self-evident.

Cry more. Whine more.

I am who I am. I will not be changing my behavior because some ding-dong on the Internet doesn't like it.

And this is how men become punks. They'll be dating a woman they like and she starts to "judge". Something small like: "Why do you always leave the remote on the floor?" Little things like that. Over time the man becomes a castrated faggot. Its the small changes over time.

Funny how you call everyone out yet you are the one starting a whiner thread for the express purpose of whining. I find that ironic.

Get better gentlemen. Improve yourselves and get better. Once you are better the markets will look much different.

Only one whining is you babe.

 

[TheProspect]

Get better gentlemen. Improve yourselves and get better. Once you are better the markets will look much different.

Yep. It's all about perspective, and it starts within.

The situation does improve with age. I find my LTRs have a natural shelf life of 1.5 to 2 years. Between times I'm happy to spin plates for the novelty or equally happy to just enjoy the peace and quiet

Many people also make the assumption that a LTR is supposed to last forever, because "What's the point?" if it doesn't.

Some people just prefer companionship once in awhile (I have fluctuated between spinning plates and LTRs). The novelty of relationships can wear off the same way as fvcking a new girl every week can wear off. It's nice to experience the personalties and explore the bodies of new women every week the same way it's nice to have someone who knows your likes, dislikes, goals, ambitions, and how to make you laugh.

Regardless if a relationship lasts two months or 20 years, it isn't necessarily a failure if 95% of that time you enjoyed each others company and didn't lose who you are in the process.

You're not a fag for preferring LTRs (on your terms) and you're not an alpha for spinning plates (on your terms). You're a human with preferences.

 

[TheProspect]

In straight LTR's, there isn't that much risk - other than some wasted time (depending on perception, of course), and maybe money.

But, I think it would be negligent not to suppose that in a significant amount of ltr's, the woman doesn't stop at mere exclusivity. She often tries to move the relationship on to living together, and then marriage.

At which point, any supposed leverage you might be arguing for goes down the toilet.

"Regardless if a relationship lasts two months or 20 years, it isn't necessarily a failure if 95% of that time you enjoyed each others company and didn't lose who you are in the process." <- From my previous post. Like you said, whether it was a waste of time or not is entirely based on perception.

You're right that in the majority of LTRs, women don't stop at mere exclusivity. I agree for the most part that the majority of women in a LTR will extract resources from the man and slowly break him. Most men (especially unenlightened men) are; 1) are not vigilant enough to catch themselves before they begin to make a habit of small compromises over time because it can be gradual and subconscious, or 2) have low standards for women as well as themselves and accept whatever they can get for fear of the many reasons PK has mentioned in previous posts. No one would disagree that such men need to work on themselves and indefinitely avoid LTRs altogether.

I agree with a lot of points against LTRs because most men are in LTRs for the wrong reasons, but a lot of these points can be cancelled out by an uncompromising man who only gives exclusivity on his terms. If it works, it works. And if an LTR is working for someone you just don't get to decide it isn't.

 

[TheProspect]

I'm entitled to my opinion.

You are entitled not to like it.

You aren't entitled to tell me how to make decisions.

Ok? I don't understand what you're reacting to...

I said if a man says something is working for him, why tell him it's not? I mean you could, you're entitled to do anything you want... The sky is blue. You're entitled to believe it's not.

Personally, this isn't what I center my focus around. I don't have any good reasons for a LTR, to be honest.

Men who put their focus around this might be seeing or doing something that I miss.

Is that last sentence genuine or sarcasm? It's personal preference to consider LTRs. "Good" reasons are subjective. Good for you may not be good for someone else, and vice-versa. I don't see any good reasons to play video games or watch television and I'd share my opinion to explain why, but I wouldn't tell people not to just because I disagree...

 

[devilkingx2]

actually i disagree, considering that most women don't bang every guy that buys them dinner or gets them fancy gifts or any of that beta nonsense, it's safe to say that most women aren't interested in banging only guys who give them things (likewise, plenty of sexless marriages and relationships where sex doesn't happen for months and other such nonsense occur, so even giving them a relationship/commitment isn't a guarantee in some cases), a prostitute is generally going to actually bang you for your payment

a lot of women are more like con men, they want to trick you into giving them something without having to give you anything. the men who get laid have to be even better con men

sluts on the other hand, give you the milk for free. they're like philanthropists that way

 

[wifehunter]

I'll agree "most" are...

However, one must always account for exceptions.

Otherwise, there is no hope.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You're not a fag for preferring LTRs (on your terms) and you're not an alpha for spinning plates (on your terms). You're a human with preferences.

Curiously, for some reason, many people need to convince others that their preferences are objectively "better" or "more correct" than any alternative.

 

[Mr. Kalikoat]

Some people on this site really need to learn that the world isn't so black and white as some people on this site propose it is (and with "some people" I mostly mean Poon, but he's not the only one).

Only the Sith deal in absolutes, and while Darth Vader is obviously a very bad-ass mothafocka, you don't want to be Darth Vader, because being Darth Vader means being miserable and being defined by your negativity.

As much as I'm sick and tired of feminists portraying all men as misogynist pigs, I'm also sick and tired of "DJs" portraying all women as parasites with an agenda. Not all women are the same and while there are many differences between men and women that set the sexes apart, ultimately, when looking at the whole picture, the two sexes have more in common than some of you think.

While it is certainly possible to use sex as a tool or commodity, I'm certain that most people simply want/have sex because it's enjoyable (yes, I said people, not just men, women too).

Your argument in your OP holds no ground Poon. It's weak and easily proven false with 3 letters:

ONS (e.g. one night stands).

Or do you seriously think that every time you have a ONS with a girl, she merely sleeps with you because she has some kind of hidden agenda and secretly wants more from you?

Have you ever considered that women might just enjoy sex just like us men and that's the reason why they agree to ONS with us? Or do you really think women don't enjoy sex? Don't be silly.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

. NO ONE should feel obligated to adopt a narrow perspective, whether it's "logical" or not. I'm not religious by any means but the last thing I would do is disparage someone's opinion/argument because it didn't fit "logic" and "reality". Objectivenes is irrelevant. Some men are, and always will be, ignorant due to a lack of insight and an open mind. Help guide these men in the right direction, don't condescendingly belittle them because they choose to head in a direction contradictory to your opinons/facts.

Yes, as you say objectiveness is irrelevant... and I would add delusional. People are just reading into human nature their own prejudices. We are what we make of ourselves, we can only ever have interpretations.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Curiously, for some reason, many people need to convince others that their preferences are objectively "better" or "more correct" than any alternative.

Yes, there are those who would do this on their view of a base reality, and then there are those who would do this based on some idea of striving for excellence. I think the word 'better' only really makes sense with the second approach.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I have a buddy who used to have this idea... why bother wining and dining a woman, when you can spend the same and get an escort to do exactly what you want and anything you want?

I kind of get it now, as there is a time and money investment to bed women. Now, his game was not very tight, so he likely had to spend more than some of the savages here. But the point remains, you have to spend "something" to get these women in the sack, the same way you pay a prostitute..

Err.. why bother? Ummm... something to do with self-respect and dignity.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

When growing up, you believe in fairy tales and romance. But then you grow up and realize humans are nothing like you thought they were. There is no such thing as unconditional love. Women only like you for what you can provide for them. This is all reality with none of the sugar coating. You are only as good to people as the value you are providing for them.

Don't confuse the mass with the 'natural aristocracy' at the top. Those at the top have truly 'educated' themselves - meaning to pull yourself out of the unthinking over-washed masses. Where a lot are going wrong on this site is in seeking to conform their ideas to the 'reality' of the mass.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Err.. why bother? Ummm... something to do with self-respect and dignity.

Sometimes you don't have to "spend" nothing, but the effort it took for you to appear the way you do or social circles you are in. They give it freely and don't extract anything else.

 

[BeTheChange]

What does this mean? He broke one of the conditions so it wasn't ride or die anymore?

LOL. Someone doesn't seem to understand the definition of "ride or die".