I don't think I will ever "let a woman in"... Or trust

[bigneil]

social circle game is easier but also riskier.

cold approaching is mainly for honing you skills, practice, testing new stuff, etc.

social circle game is for getting laid using your refined techniques

night game is for getting laid using the PUA book you bought for $30 off amazon

etc.

all game has its place

Are you texting all your posts from an Obamaphone? The shift key is to capitalize the first letter of the sentence.

 

[devilkingx2]

Are you texting all your posts from an Obamaphone? The shift key is to capitalize the first letter of the sentence.

are you implying that the rules of english grammar mean anything to me, sir?

 

[bigneil]

are you implying that the rules of english grammar mean anything to me, sir?

No, I'm implying that you sound illiterate. And now we can add shameless.

Our tax dollars at work. Thank your single mom for me, would you? She's a strong, independent woman (as long as I am working and paying into a system from which she can extract Ramen noodles for you).

 

[Tenacity]

"Opening up" is just another way to live on a woman's terms by a woman's rules.

Lion's are a great example. If the male Lion gets too lazy and comfortable in his pride.. what happens? Another Lion comes in, eats his cubs, f*cks his females and usually kills him too. I know you WISH life was all sunshine and lollipops.. but the world is harsh and you need to stay on top of your game if you want to thrive. Plain and simple.

Men that trust women, don't understand them.

Let's look at these quotes.

- You can't open up (which is to say you can't let your guard down, be yourself, just relax, and fvcking breathe) around a woman because she's going to somehow "get you".

- Then, you can't trust women because if you "understood" women then you would know not to trust them, which is to say all women are somehow "out to get you".

So my question goes back to you two (the Leaders of the Sosusave extreme Red Pill Movement), is WHY do you continue to date, fvck, and want to be in relationships with women when they are "out to get you"? I keep asking you this question, you keep avoiding it......how about you finally answer the damn question?

For example, I don't trust SNAKES. It could be a baby snake or any snake, I don't trust them, I always think they are going to bite the fvck out of me. So you know what I do? I stay the fvck away from them. I don't try to engage them, hold them, pet them, touch them, anything.

If women are out to get you, why do you keep fvcking with them? If you can't open up around a woman, be yourself, just relax, and TRUST a woman, why do the fvck you want to bring them into your life for? If it's SEX, you don't need to date women for that, you can get an escort for 1 hour, get off, and be done.

Now answer the question..........

How about you PROVE that women are NOT all the things "The red pill" claims or you shut the f*ck up?

Would you like me to post the STATS on successful marriages now or later?

 

[Tenacity]

@Tenacity . I am going to attempt one final dialogue with you, and then I am done.

If a "dialogue" to you is preaching extreme Red Pill bullshyt, then when I disagree with the extreme bullshyt you are going to go start with the "white knight" and "beta fa.ggot" bullshyt....then that's not a "dialogue". A dialogue is we sit down and discuss our different points of view to reach some sort of COMMON ground based on logic, ration, and common sense.

I actually quite like you, in a way. There is something about you that is endearing. I think it is your vulnerability. That makes you open to converse on a deeper level.

However, you are also one of the biggest whiners ever. Your lack of any sort of experimental spirit makes you a complete drag.

I read your other reply, when did I say I don't cold approach? Can you quote the thread I said that in? I have never said that, I meet women using the following:

- Online Sources (OLD, Facebook, other Social Media)
- Social Circles
- Cold Approaches (i.e., I'm at the gym and spark up a convo)

I use everything, I never said I only use online sources. So now that I've explained that to you, you can stop referencing some "notion" that I am scared to cold approach because that wouldn't even make any sense as a big part of my job is a sales component, which requires me to spark up convo/rapport with total strangers in (at times) somewhat awkward circumstances.

You have bought in to the "looks, money, status" nonsense that gets bandied around here. And you are a good example of why it is a nonsense, actually

This is wrong, what I said is that a guy should fix his looks, personality, and finances to where he's at least a 6 out of 10, and in doing so it will allow him to be able to acquire plates, women, dates, etc. consistently.

Now, this 6 out of 10 can also be a guy who is a 4 in looks, 4 in finances, but a 10 in personality.

It could also be a guy who is a 8 in looks, 2 in finances, and a 8 in personality.

It could also be a guy who is a 3 in looks, 10 in finances, and 7 in personality.

Do you understand? Now, is it POSSIBLE for a guy that's strong in looks and money alone, but weak on personality, to build up and acquire plates, women, dates, etc., consistently? Yes. If it's a 8 in looks for example, a 9 in finances, but only a 2 in personality, those good looks and money can STILL carry him forward. I've seen that done on a daily basis.

It also means that a guy can be a 10 in personality, 4 in finances, and a 4 in looks, and still acquire women, dates, plates, etc., consistently.

Me personally, I believe I'm about a 7 in looks (cause of the 6 pack, otherwise I would be a solid 6), 7 in finances, and about a 6 in personality. This makes me a solid 6.6 or "about a solid 7". This is why I'm able to acquire plates, women, dates, etc., consistently COMPARED to years ago when I was a 3 in looks, 3 in finances, and a 2 in personality and couldn't put a piece of pvssy on layaway.

 

[Poon King]

Let's look at these quotes.

- You can't open up (which is to say you can't let your guard down, be yourself, just relax, and fvcking breathe) around a woman because she's going to somehow "get you".

- Then, you can't trust women because if you "understood" women then you would know not to trust them, which is to say all women are somehow "out to get you".

I never said a man "can't" do anything.

My suggestions are based on logic, probability AND what gives men maximum leverage. Your idiotic questions show that you either lack the brainpower to truly understand the advice I give men OR you're just trolling.

So my question goes back to you two (the Leaders of the Sosusave extreme Red Pill Movement), is WHY do you continue to date, fvck, and want to be in relationships with women when they are "out to get you"? I keep asking you this question, you keep avoiding it......how about you finally answer the damn question?

For example, I don't trust SNAKES. It could be a baby snake or any snake, I don't trust them, I always think they are going to bite the fvck out of me. So you know what I do? I stay the fvck away from them. I don't try to engage them, hold them, pet them, touch them, anything.

Everything in life isn't black or white. You should know this by now at your age.

I really enjoy dating and f*cking women. Its one of life's greatest pleasures. The "game" is actually a lot of fun for me. However, when I was young, dumb and inexperienced.. the game came with a lot of frustration and confusion. When I look around I see MOST men are frustrated, confused and fearful of women. Many come to SoSuave for that reason. I provide clarity to these men (if they want it).

If women are out to get you, why do you keep fvcking with them? If you can't open up around a woman, be yourself, just relax, and TRUST a woman, why do the fvck you want to bring them into your life for? If it's SEX, you don't need to date women for that, you can get an escort for 1 hour, get off, and be done.

Everything in life isn't black or white.

Most women are not "out to get you" just like most people are not out to rob you or mug you. But isn't it nice to be prepared for the ones that are? What is the downside of preparation? I know you will ignore that question because it doesn't fit into your beta "kill the red pill" faggot agenda.

Now answer the question..........

Would you like me to post the STATS on successful marriages now or later?

NOW.

Keep in mind the definition of a "successful marriage" is one that stays together. The level of "happiness" is not taken into consideration.

 

[Tenacity]

I never said a man "can't" do anything.

Everything in life isn't black or white.

Poon King, do you or do you not take the stance, that once you make a statement/theory/suggestion and if a guy on here disagrees with said statement/theory/suggestion.........then you refer to him as a beta fa.ggot or white knight?

Yes or No?

The answer is Yes, which means you are promoting this "black and white" experience that you claim life isn't. You are also "telling" men what they can and can't do, using shaming tactics that if you think a certain way, you will be a "beta fag.got" so thus, don't think that way....think how Poon King tells you to think.

Your idiotic questions show that you either lack the brainpower to truly understand the advice I give men OR you're just trolling.

Here's an example of the black and white approach you take. When I disagree with something you said, instead of having a conversation to discuss different viewpoints.......you just conclude that I'm a beta fag.got, a troll, or just stupid.

What if I have a DIFFERENT fvcking point of view than you? Is that an option? Is Poon King always right? Is Poon King ever wrong?

I really enjoy dating and f*cking women

. Its one of life's greatest pleasures.

You said you can't trust them, you said you can't open up around them, you said they are out to get you in some capacity to where you can never LET your guard down...........

But you like dating them regardless? That makes no fvcking sense.

Most women are not "out to get you" just like most people are not out to rob you or mug you. But isn't it nice to be prepared for the ones that are? What is the downside of preparation?

Look PlayHerMan....you and your sidekick Deesade JUST fvcking said that a man should never trust a woman. You just fvcking said that shyt. You didn't say SOME women, you said WOMEN PERIOD. So if you can't trust a woman, can't open up around them, and always have to be on your guard...........isn't it a logical, rational, conclusion that the reason you can't trust, open up, or let your guard down around a woman is because she's out to fvcking get you or harm you in some way?

......when I was young, dumb and inexperienced.. the game came with a lot of frustration and confusion.

Okay.........

When I look around I see MOST men are frustrated, confused and fearful of women.

Yes........

Many come to SoSuave for that reason.

Of course........

I provide clarity to these men (if they want it).........isn't it nice to be prepared for the ones that are (out to get you)? What is the downside of preparation?

Here's my problem with your content Poon King. Guys are coming here with frustration/confusion with women as well as other issues in their personal/social life potentially.

It's guys like you and other extreme Red Pillers that take the "stove fires" going on in these guy's lives, and turn them into house fires. You take a problem and make it WORSE............NOT BETTER.

Your one dimensional, women are all out to get you, and you can't ever open up/trust a woman type of commentary does NOTHING but further increases the frustration/confusion these guys have towards women as well as builds WALLS internally that causes these men to NEVER be able to "love" or "trust" a woman ever again.

They come here with problems, yes. But you don't solve the fvcking problems, you make them worse. You and all of your Red Pill/MGTOW anonymous fvck-tards.

 

[Poon King]

Poon King, do you or do you not take the stance, that once you make a statement/theory/suggestion and if a guy on here disagrees with said statement/theory/suggestion.........then you refer to him as a beta fa.ggot or white knight?

Yes or No?

The answer is Yes, which means you are promoting this "black and white" experience that you claim life isn't. You are also "telling" men what they can and can't do, using shaming tactics that if you think a certain way, you will be a "beta fag.got" so thus, don't think that way....think how Poon King tells you to think.

Here's an example of the black and white approach you take. When I disagree with something you said, instead of having a conversation to discuss different viewpoints.......you just conclude that I'm a beta fag.got, a troll, or just stupid.

What if I have a DIFFERENT fvcking point of view than you? Is that an option? Is Poon King always right? Is Poon King ever wrong?

If I'm not knowledgeable about a subject.. then I shut my mouth. I'm not going to talk about rocket science with you because I don't know sh!t about it. So rather than saying something idiotic.. I just don't discuss the subject.

For this reason, I'm rarely wrong since I rarely talk out of my ass.

You said you can't trust them, you said you can't open up around them, you said they are out to get you in some capacity to where you can never LET your guard down...........

But you like dating them regardless? That makes no fvcking sense.

Never said "can't".

Once you deviate from FACTS your claims become sh!t and I will ignore them.

Look PlayHerMan....you and your sidekick Deesade JUST fvcking said that a man should never trust a woman. You just fvcking said that shyt. You didn't say SOME women, you said WOMEN PERIOD. So if you can't trust a woman, can't open up around them, and always have to be on your guard...........isn't it a logical, rational, conclusion that the reason you can't trust, open up, or let your guard down around a woman is because she's out to fvcking get you or harm you in some way?

My advice is based around what gives you the most power and leverage with women.

Its not about how to be a perfect Disney husband for a Disney wife.

Here's my problem with your content Poon King. Guys are coming here with frustration/confusion with women as well as other issues in their personal/social life potentially.

It's guys like you and other extreme Red Pillers that take the "stove fires" going on in these guy's lives, and turn them into house fires. You take a problem and make it WORSE............NOT BETTER.

Your one dimensional, women are all out to get you, and you can't ever open up/trust a woman type of commentary does NOTHING but further increases the frustration/confusion these guys have towards women as well as builds WALLS internally that causes these men to NEVER be able to "love" or "trust" a woman ever again.

They come here with problems, yes. But you don't solve the fvcking problems, you make them worse. You and all of your Red Pill/MGTOW anonymous fvck-tards.

Not at all.

You just don't have the intelligence to grasp my advice and apply it properly. That's not my problem. You're a grown ass man. Take responsibility for your own f*cking life. Stop looking for a scapegoat to blame your problems and failures on. YOU are to blame and only you. No one else.

 

[Tenacity]

More black and white shyt Poon King........

I'm rarely wrong since I rarely talk out of my ass.

Black and white, which is to say: "If you don't agree with I, the King of Poon, then it's you that's the problem not me because I can't possibly be wrong, extreme, off the mark, off balanced, or anything of the such!"

My advice is based around what gives you the most power and leverage with women.

And who died and left you with the SOLE TRUTH and SOLE PATH that a guy HAS to follow in order to have a successful relationship with a woman that gives him a good level of control, power, leverage, and stability?

More black and white shyt........

You just don't have the intelligence to grasp my advice and apply it properly. That's not my problem.

More black and white shyt........

Here's what I'm going to do at this point Poon King. I gave you the benefit of the doubt these last 2 months or so of our "debates", that I was hoping (just hoping) we could have some sort of conversation.

You don't want a conversation.

You want a choir.

You want to spit out bullshyt and ONLY discuss the bullshyt with others who agree with you. You aren't looking for alternative points of view. This shyt is exactly like I said before, it's a RELIGION. When you go to the Church, they are going to spit out their bullshyt and are ONLY expecting you to sing, dance, and clap along..........they aren't looking, expecting, or wanting you to call out bullshyt holes in their theory. Anybody who points out holes in the Church's theories is labeled as "a devil"....in the Red Pill community they are labeled as "Blue Pill/Beta".

So I'm wasting my fvcking time. You fvck-tards have turned this website into COMPLETE AND UTTER SHYT, so have fun. A lot of other quality posters have LEFT this piece of shyt and I'm following them out the door.

 

[Dingo]

The human psyche truly is complex...

 

[Poon King]

More black and white shyt Poon King........



Black and white, which is to say: "If you don't agree with I, the King of Poon, then it's you that's the problem not me because I can't possibly be wrong, extreme, off the mark, off balanced, or anything of the such!"



And who died and left you with the SOLE TRUTH and SOLE PATH that a guy HAS to follow in order to have a successful relationship with a woman that gives him a good level of control, power, leverage, and stability?

More black and white shyt........



More black and white shyt........

Here's what I'm going to do at this point Poon King. I gave you the benefit of the doubt these last 2 months or so of our "debates", that I was hoping (just hoping) we could have some sort of conversation.

You don't want a conversation.

You want a choir.

You want to spit out bullshyt and ONLY discuss the bullshyt with others who agree with you. You aren't looking for alternative points of view. This shyt is exactly like I said before, it's a RELIGION. When you go to the Church, they are going to spit out their bullshyt and are ONLY expecting you to sing, dance, and clap along..........they aren't looking, expecting, or wanting you to call out bullshyt holes in their theory. Anybody who points out holes in the Church's theories is labeled as "a devil"....in the Red Pill community they are labeled as "Blue Pill/Beta".

So I'm wasting my fvcking time. You fvck-tards have turned this website into COMPLETE AND UTTER SHYT, so have fun. A lot of other quality posters have LEFT this piece of shyt and I'm following them out the door.

Guess what?

If you wanted a "conversation" you would of answered all the questions I asked you earlier in this thread.

Where are your answers?

Where are those marriage "stats" you promised to post?

You act like a toddler. Go get a therapist and stop nagging grown men who are trying to provide useful information.

 

[TheFixer14]

After this thread I remember why I went MGTOW for a minute.

 

[Steady Eddie]

Poon King, do you or do you not take the stance, that once you make a statement/theory/suggestion and if a guy on here disagrees with said statement/theory/suggestion.........then you refer to him as a beta fa.ggot or white knight?

Yes or No?

The answer is Yes, which means you are promoting this "black and white" experience that you claim life isn't. You are also "telling" men what they can and can't do, using shaming tactics that if you think a certain way, you will be a "beta fag.got" so thus, don't think that way....think how Poon King tells you to think.



Here's an example of the black and white approach you take. When I disagree with something you said, instead of having a conversation to discuss different viewpoints.......you just conclude that I'm a beta fag.got, a troll, or just stupid.

What if I have a DIFFERENT fvcking point of view than you? Is that an option? Is Poon King always right? Is Poon King ever wrong?



You said you can't trust them, you said you can't open up around them, you said they are out to get you in some capacity to where you can never LET your guard down...........

But you like dating them regardless? That makes no fvcking sense.



Look PlayHerMan....you and your sidekick Deesade JUST fvcking said that a man should never trust a woman. You just fvcking said that shyt. You didn't say SOME women, you said WOMEN PERIOD. So if you can't trust a woman, can't open up around them, and always have to be on your guard...........isn't it a logical, rational, conclusion that the reason you can't trust, open up, or let your guard down around a woman is because she's out to fvcking get you or harm you in some way?



Okay.........



Yes........



Of course........



Here's my problem with your content Poon King. Guys are coming here with frustration/confusion with women as well as other issues in their personal/social life potentially.

It's guys like you and other extreme Red Pillers that take the "stove fires" going on in these guy's lives, and turn them into house fires. You take a problem and make it WORSE............NOT BETTER.

Your one dimensional, women are all out to get you, and you can't ever open up/trust a woman type of commentary does NOTHING but further increases the frustration/confusion these guys have towards women as well as builds WALLS internally that causes these men to NEVER be able to "love" or "trust" a woman ever again.

They come here with problems, yes. But you don't solve the fvcking problems, you make them worse. You and all of your Red Pill/MGTOW anonymous fvck-tards.

Tenacity we're hard wire by nature to want women. No species on this planet behaves any differently. It's a tad disgenuous of you to ask the question, knowing the men here have no choice but to follow their subroutine and look for a mate.

Since you disagree with the notion we shouldn't trust women. Could you tell to what degree we should trust them?Should I open up about potentially legally incriminating information? Should I open up a joint bank account in both our names? Give her the keys to my car and residence, so she can do as she pleases? Should she have access to my life savings?

Where do we draw the line with this open approach?

 

[Reykhel]

After this thread I remember why I went MGTOW for a minute.

You were MGTOW for only one minute?

 

[Reykhel]

We all live in an interdependent world and thus we must and do trust to a CERTAIN DEGREE.....

You wouldn't get on an flight without having some degree of trust in the pilot.

However, it's pure folly to FULLY trust ANYONE.......

Some men never really learn to fully trust themselves or their own judgement. The degree to which you can trust anyone is really a matter of CALCULATED JUDGEMENT. After all, when she takes your c0ck in her mouth there's a degree of trust that she won't bite it off.

When a man starts to cry that a woman "broke his trust" it indicates a level of victim mentality. Taking responsability would be to say "my judgement was wrong".

As far as "opening up", a women is not your mother nor your psycologist. As many men start assigning her that role.

Keep it fun and off heavy ****. If your mother forgot to pick you up after basketball practice one day when you were a kid and you were left standing in the rain, go tell it to a shrink or laugh about it with a buddy over a beer or two.

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity we're hard wire by nature to want women.

I know that.

No species on this planet behaves any differently. It's a tad disgenuous of you to ask the question, knowing the men here have no choice but to follow their subroutine and look for a mate.

This is where I disagree, as human beings we have the power over other "animals" to make logical, rational choices that go above and beyond our emotions along with (at times) biological framework.

With that being said, if I wanted to practice celibacy I could. Just because I'm hard-wired by nature to "want" women does not mean I have to act out on any hard-wiring that I have programmed inside of me.

If the argument that you guys are making is that women are completely horrible, can't be trusted, you can't open up around them, and you can't take your fvcking guard down around them...........them despite how much "hard-wiring" you have to want to be with them, APPARENTLY being with them isn't in your best interest......so how about you:

- Go celibate or
- Go MGTOW and stop dating them or
- Go gay or
- Kill yourself or
- (insert another idea here)

But what I don't fvcking get, is why do you guys keep making the conscious decision to BE with a group of people that post after post, thread after thread, you continue to say you can't trust and if you put your guard down they will somehow/someway....GET your a.ss?

That's makes no fvcking sense. Either women aren't really as BAD as you guys are making them out to be, or you are just completely insane to continue to want to be around a group of people who are seeking to slice your head off if you let your guard down.

Since you disagree with the notion we shouldn't trust women. Could you tell to what degree we should trust them?Should I open up about potentially legally incriminating information? Should I open up a joint bank account in both our names? Give her the keys to my car and residence, so she can do as she pleases? Should she have access to my life savings?

Where do we draw the line with this open approach?

All of these questions depends upon the individual relationship you have with the individual/particular woman, and her individual level of competency, rapport, love, etc.

Notice the keyword is "individual".

No you can't trust and open up to just any and everybody, that's stupid.

But Poon King and his sidekick Deesade said you shouldn't open up and trust a woman, any woman, ever. And it's that one-dimensional, all women are X, type of Red Pill/MGTOW bullshyt that I can't stand.

 

[Steady Eddie]

I know that.



This is where I disagree, as human beings we have the power over other "animals" to make logical, rational choices that go above and beyond our emotions along with (at times) biological framework.

With that being said, if I wanted to practice celibacy I could. Just because I'm hard-wired by nature to "want" women does not mean I have to act out on any hard-wiring that I have programmed inside of me.

If the argument that you guys are making is that women are completely horrible, can't be trusted, you can't open up around them, and you can't take your fvcking guard down around them...........them despite how much "hard-wiring" you have to want to be with them, APPARENTLY being with them isn't in your best interest......so how about you:

- Go celibate or
- Go MGTOW and stop dating them or
- Go gay or
- Kill yourself or
- (insert another idea here)

But what I don't fvcking get, is why do you guys keep making the conscious decision to BE with a group of people that post after post, thread after thread, you continue to say you can't trust and if you put your guard down they will somehow/someway....GET your a.ss?

That's makes no fvcking sense. Either women aren't really as BAD as you guys are making them out to be, or you are just completely insane to continue to want to be around a group of people who are seeking to slice your head off if you let your guard down.




All of these questions depends upon the individual relationship you have with the individual/particular woman, and her individual level of competency, rapport, love, etc.

Notice the keyword is "individual".

No you can't trust and open up to just any and everybody, that's stupid.

But Poon King and his sidekick Deesade said you shouldn't open up and trust a woman, any woman, ever. And it's that one-dimensional, all women are X, type of Red Pill/MGTOW bullshyt that I can't stand.

BIB. You may not have to act out on it, but you will have to think about it. Sexual thoughts are unbidden after all.
If we, as men, could control our hormones this site wouldn't exist. In fact the human race wouldn't exist as men wouldn't seek out women and assume the burden of performance.
It strikes me, men are inherently lazy around women. We wouldn't let a man get away with a tenth of what a woman does. If we're reciting the same mantra about women, it's so we can remind ourselves, of what women are capable of.
Women have, near enough, absolute power in a relationship. Am I suppose to believe power doesn't corrupt?

Tenacity, you often state you'd one day like to settle down and have children. You've also affirmed you've been with over 70 women. Are we to gather none of these women were suitable to start a family with?
Or were you just sowing your oats? Maybe the time has finally arrived for you to find Cinderella and live happily ever after?

The mere thought of it brings a tear to the eye. I do love a happy ending.

Despite popular belief, there's nothing wrong with living a lie. Just so long as you can accept the consequences.

 

[bigneil]

Women have, near enough, absolute power in a relationship. Am I suppose to believe power doesn't corrupt?

Not if she falls in love. Why do you think women get so scared when they fall? Because she is losing control.

 

[Poon King]

But Poon King and his sidekick Deesade said you shouldn't open up and trust a woman, any woman, ever. And it's that one-dimensional, all women are X, type of Red Pill/MGTOW bullshyt that I can't stand.

WRONG.

I like how you pick and choose which words we say to focus on.. while ignoring the other words we say that don't fit your "kill the red pill" faggot agenda.

I already said my advice is all about having POWER and LEVERAGE in your relationships with women. If you don't care about that.. then go ahead and give women your full trust and open up all you want. I won't stop you.

But stop twisting my words to mean what you want them to mean.

 

[TheFixer14]

To be fair, women rarely ever show any real reason as to why you should put your full trust in them. After dating two women recently I have realized just how much damage they did. I haven't asked a girl out since those two dates nor have I truly "gamed" since those two dates. I have spoken to some women in a sexual manner after that. But I had no intention of picking them up. All because of two women that kinda lowered my self esteem.

Quite frankly a woman can ruin a man.