I don't think I will ever "let a woman in"... Or trust

[_sideways_]

Is this bad?
I'm asking here to ask guys.

Lemme explain...
I enjoy women everywhere I go. And they enjoy me. Like cordially at work, church, my mom's friends, etc.

I'm pleasant ...at least for a while, but to let a female inside my own space, inward and outward...no thanks.

I believe the term commitment phobia was fabricated so one shrink could sell his book.

I like women a lot, but I keep them at arms length.
I would treat my wife the same way.

Maybe its the way females have been in my life, but we all in this life. And there's no blame as far as I'm concerned.

Idk...maybe I haven't fell in love....lol jk

 

[wolf]

Once you have attained a level of true intimacy with yourself then you will be able to share true intimacy with others without concern over things like rejection, abandonment etc.

You will always have you so you had better get to work on developing a relationship with yourself if you haven't already. The rest will come easy..

Or just smash and dash then none of the above is really relevant.

 

[Poon King]

You are a wise man on the right track.

"Opening up" is just another way to live on a woman's terms by a woman's rules. Men are bullied into going against their own nature and desires.

One reason the idea of being "macho" is somewhat harmful to men is because it dismisses the idea that women have any power. Basically, if a woman f*cks up your life.. it just means you're a weak man. But in reality.. knowledge is power. If you give people the tools to destroy you.. they might very well use them one day. But if you tell men they should give women such tools because women are "harmless". Well.. that's a successful con job isn't it?

There is no benefit to giving women the power to destroy you. Unlike male friends.. women are often adversarial in relationships. Their "support" has a motive beyond just thinking your an awesome guy like your buddies do. They want to make sure they have the strongest and fittest man. But they also want the security that comes from dominating you emotionally because it allows them to fully exploit you AND to keep the relationship mostly on their terms.

As a man.. once you reach a point where you CAN'T walk away you have lost. You should never be afraid to tell a woman to "get lost". Knowing you have that power is what gives MEN security in relationships. Once you start thinking that "losing a woman" will cause you significant suffering or ruin your life in some way.. that is when your woman is in complete control and you have ZERO control.

Think about it. Why would a woman do what you want when she knows you ain't going no where? All women MUST believe there is a chance you can leave them. Most men f*ck this up with their co-dependent faggot attitudes.

 

[El Payaso]

You are a wise man on the right track.

"Opening up" is just another way to live on a woman's terms by a woman's rules. Men are bullied into going against their own nature and desires.

One reason the idea of being "macho" is somewhat harmful to men is because it dismisses the idea that women have any power. Basically, if a woman f*cks up your life.. it just means you're a weak man. But in reality.. knowledge is power. If you give people the tools to destroy you.. they might very well use them one day. But if you tell men they should give women such tools because women are "harmless". Well.. that's a successful con job isn't it?

There is no benefit to giving women the power to destroy you. Unlike male friends.. women are often adversarial in relationships. Their "support" has a motive beyond just thinking your an awesome guy like your buddies do. They want to make sure they have the strongest and fittest man. But they also want the security that comes from dominating you emotionally because it allows them to fully exploit you AND to keep the relationship mostly on their terms.

As a man.. once you reach a point where you CAN'T walk away you have lost. You should never be afraid to tell a woman to "get lost". Knowing you have that power is what gives MEN security in relationships. Once you start thinking that "losing a woman" will cause you significant suffering or ruin your life in some way.. that is when your woman is in complete control and you have ZERO control.

Think about it. Why would a woman do what you want when she knows you ain't going no where? All women MUST believe there is a chance you can leave them. Most men f*ck this up with their co-dependent faggot attitudes.

I can't agree with this enough.

 

[devilkingx2]

Is this bad?
I'm asking here to ask guys.

Lemme explain...
I enjoy women everywhere I go. And they enjoy me. Like cordially at work, church, my mom's friends, etc.

I'm pleasant ...at least for a while, but to let a female inside my own space, inward and outward...no thanks.

I believe the term commitment phobia was fabricated so one shrink could sell his book.

I like women a lot, but I keep them at arms length.
I would treat my wife the same way.

Maybe its the way females have been in my life, but we all in this life. And there's no blame as far as I'm concerned.

Idk...maybe I haven't fell in love....lol jk

i've never met a woman worth trusting, but i've met many who aren't, and many who seemed like they were but turned out not to be.

trust a woman when she takes a bullet for you, not any sooner

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Me either to an certain extent. you might have different views in 5 or 10 years

 

[Slash Dolo]

I am with you 100% and feel the exact same way. Thanks for sharing. Sometimes I think there's something wrong with me feeling like this, but I'm glad so many SSers have the same outlook.

 

[bigneil]

You want the woman to make a 100% effort to seduce you, even if she later leaves you.

Here are things she will do.

She will:

0) Make her interest known immediately and give you her number.
1) Initiate a lot.
2) Have sex on the first date.
3) Chase you when you try to walk.
4) Try to find out what turns you on.
5) Study your weaknesses (what hair styles and makeup you prefer).
6) Have kinky sex.
7) Hold you like a man is supposed to be held (cuddling, etc).
8) Hold her heart chakra against yours and synchronize her biorhythms.
9) Have orgasms with you.
10) Sleep with you and be affectionate when she sleeps.
11) Completely submit to any morning sex.
12) Never be rude or b!tchy. The only thing she will ever do wrong is be absent longer than you wish.
13) Be stable for a long time (90+ days).

If you don't fall for her after all that, she's not hot enough.

If the hottest girl you ever saw did all that, you would fall. And that is the greatest thing you can do. Why? Because when you are in love with (your) 10 (who did all of the above), every 9 is at your disposal. You won't want them, but that is the point. The woman you want the most will probably want someone else, but everyone else will want you. Then you settle for (your) 9 and let the difference inspire you to improve yourself until you get the (equivalent or better than your) 10.

 

[Tenacity]

Is this bad?
I don't think I will ever "let a woman in"... Or trust

What a sad, sad, state of affairs this website has turned into.

- This website went from Pook teaching you to embrace your passions, become the best version of yourself that you can be, and that the MORE you invest in yourself the better your life gets (more money, better friends, and better women).

- We went from that to this shyt led by the "King Of Poon". This shyt where MGTOW/Red Pill guys thread after fvcking thread talk about how women are all X, Y, and Z....and the "King Of Poon" makes thread after thread preaching to this "choir" further programming them with more bullshyt.

I don't care WHAT you guys say on this forum nor what image you try to propose, but I know fvcking well that you guys are NOT happy. How do I know? Because I've been exactly where you are right now.

You guys are going to turn into Elliot Rogers if you don't stop this shyt.

Hey OP, if you don't think you can ever let a woman in or trust them.....THEN GO YOUR OWN WAY. That means stop dating them, don't try to fvck them, when you see a hot one and your dyck gets hard just jack off when you get home (or get an escort)....

Leave all of these untrustworthy bytches in the market so Tenacity's "beta fag.got", "Blue Pill", and "white knight" a.ss can pick them up. Deal ?

 

[Glassguy]

What a sad, sad, state of affairs this website has turned into.

- This website went from Pook teaching you to embrace your passions, become the best version of yourself that you can be, and that the MORE you invest in yourself the better your life gets (more money, better friends, and better women).

- We went from that to this shyt led by the "King Of Poon". This shyt where MGTOW/Red Pill guys thread after fvcking thread talk about how women are all X, Y, and Z....and the "King Of Poon" makes thread after thread preaching to this "choir" further programming them with more bullshyt.

I don't care WHAT you guys say on this forum nor what image you try to propose, but I know fvcking well that you guys are NOT happy. How do I know? Because I've been exactly where you are right now.

You guys are going to turn into Elliot Rogers if you don't stop this shyt.

Hey OP, if you don't think you can ever let a woman in or trust them.....THEN GO YOUR OWN WAY. That means stop dating them, don't try to fvck them, when you see a hot one and your dyck gets hard just jack off when you get home (or get an escort)....

Leave all of these untrustworthy bytches in the market so Tenacity's "beta fag.got", "Blue Pill", and "white knight" a.ss can pick them up. Deal ?

I have a split agreement with you and Poon both on this one.

It takes 90 days or so to really figure a person out. That is enough time to get a feel on how they handle certain situations (tough times, hard knocks, things not going their way, are they still happy to see you, etc.). Both the good and the bad. So many things talked about here happen that first 90 days, for the women that make it that long. Many will have red flags before then and weed themselves out. Thats where your own self respect and worth comes into play. When these women and their red flags pop up (the ones that need addressed) you have enough self worth and high value to walk away, knowing there is something better on the other end of that decision.

If a woman makes it past that 90 day mark and things are going very well and pleasantly unchanged, I dont find any problem with seeing if it will move forward into a more serious or exclusive relationship. That is not to say that I devalue my own self worth or ability to walk away, or abandon the knowledge that something just as good or better can be waiting on the other end of that decision if she forces me into making it. But to think that there is nothing besides plate spinning and pump and dumps is outrageous.

I truly believe that there are many people that are compatible with me on this planet to have a very healthy LTR/possible marriage with and there are far more that are not. What is compatible with me is not compatible with most other men.

Its like a business deal when you think about it. A partnership. If you both do what you are supposed to do (assuming you are very compatible to begin with, which you have partially decided in that first 90 days or whatever time frame, it can work. It can flourish. It can also come crumbling down. Only a fool would set himself up for not being prepared should something go south, as it can happen very quickly.

Expect the best but prepare for the worst.

Dont throw something away that has potential, but don't stay on a crashing plane with the side door open and a parachute strapped to your back either.

That is the key. I enjoy a woman who compliments me. My life is already great and I dont need someone for it to be, but I am open to the fact of someone compatible who can enjoy it with me.

Think about this. A lot of us use the line "Hey I am going to ____ at ___pm. Its a fun place and you should join me". You are playing on your terms, doing what you want and throwing her an invitation to come enjoy it as well.

I am not sure that mindset should ever change. Far more men would be happier at whatever stage the relationship is at if they would just hang on to that mentality.

 

[Poon King]

What a sad, sad, state of affairs this website has turned into.

- This website went from Pook teaching you to embrace your passions, become the best version of yourself that you can be, and that the MORE you invest in yourself the better your life gets (more money, better friends, and better women).

- We went from that to this shyt led by the "King Of Poon". This shyt where MGTOW/Red Pill guys thread after fvcking thread talk about how women are all X, Y, and Z....and the "King Of Poon" makes thread after thread preaching to this "choir" further programming them with more bullshyt.

I don't care WHAT you guys say on this forum nor what image you try to propose, but I know fvcking well that you guys are NOT happy. How do I know? Because I've been exactly where you are right now.

You guys are going to turn into Elliot Rogers if you don't stop this shyt.

Hey OP, if you don't think you can ever let a woman in or trust them.....THEN GO YOUR OWN WAY. That means stop dating them, don't try to fvck them, when you see a hot one and your dyck gets hard just jack off when you get home (or get an escort)....

Leave all of these untrustworthy bytches in the market so Tenacity's "beta fag.got", "Blue Pill", and "white knight" a.ss can pick them up. Deal ?

Here we go..

Tenacity.. you want to know the truth? I'm actually happier than I've ever been in my life (outside of college when I was drowning in easy poon and partying all the time).

I really love posting on SoSuave and giving men ideas that empower them and allow them to have more leverage in their lives and relationships. Its a fun hobby AND it keeps me on track in my own life. I've noticed when I stop actively thinking about this stuff I'll slip up in my relationships more than usual. Its easy to get comfortable, lazy and socially influenced. That's when things go downhill.

Staying mentally sharp 24/7 brings a lot of advantages and personal power.

Lion's are a great example. If the male Lion gets too lazy and comfortable in his pride.. what happens? Another Lion comes in, eats his cubs, f*cks his females and usually kills him too. I know you WISH life was all sunshine and lollipops.. but the world is harsh and you need to stay on top of your game if you want to thrive. Plain and simple.

 

[Glassguy]

Here we go..

Tenacity.. you want to know the truth? I'm actually happier than I've ever been in my life (outside of college when I was drowning in easy poon and partying all the time).

I really love posting on SoSuave and giving men ideas that empower them and allow them to have more leverage in their lives and relationships. Its a fun hobby AND it keeps me on track in my own life. I've noticed when I stop actively thinking about this stuff I'll slip up in my relationships more than usual. Its easy to get comfortable, lazy and socially influenced. That's when things go downhill.

Staying mentally sharp 24/7 brings a lot of advantages and personal power.

Lion's are a great example. If the male Lion gets too lazy and comfortable in his pride.. what happens? Another Lion comes in, eats his cubs, f*cks his females and usually kills him too. I know you WISH life was all sunshine and lollipops.. but the world is harsh and you need to stay on top of your game if you want to thrive. Plain and simple.

Good post.

Some people have enough life experience to know how the world (and women) operate. Some have not....yet.

We have been there enough to understand what we must do in order to enjoy life while protecting our most valuable asset....ourselves. For me it came at 35 years old and again at 38. 2 hard lessons learned. The harder the lesson, the stronger it makes you (if you let it).

The Disney fairy tale, sunshine and lollipops exist when those learning life experiences, that are sometimes tough as hell, haven't showed up yet.

Its only then when life smacks you across the face that you realize the commitment and hard work it takes (to yourself of course) to not only climb back towards the top of the mountain, but the knowledge to not fall back to the bottom again.

I dont mean to sound like a pessimist because I am not. I have always been an optimist. The tough lessons in life have also made me a realist. Its a better climb having the tools to stay there once you arrive rather than knowing you can make the climb but are also going to eventually take the fall.

 

[Tenacity]

I really love posting on SoSuave and giving men ideas that empower them and allow them to have more leverage in their lives and relationships.

You love posting on Sosuave TODAY because the audience is different. You didn't like doing it a couple years ago under the PlayHerMan username because the Red Pill/MGTOW theories were massively rejected by the audience of Sosuave THEN, as it was still mainly a "Pook related" self-development focus audience.

The audience is different today on Sosuave, at least the audience of those who post regularly or post in general. This audience wants to hear Red Pill, MGTOW, women are back-stabbing bytches type of material. If you produce that type of material this current audience will love you, if you produce material that goes against that, you will not be that "popular" around here.

Take my Sosuave experience for example. When I first came here I was pissed off, angry, bitter, etc. All I posted was a lot of Red Pill, "women ain't shyt" type of commentary. And what happened? I was popular lol.

When I fixed my anger issues, no longer was bitter, starting loving/appreciating women again and changed my perspective on things to thus start creating NEW commentary.......that's when Tenacity became the most hated poster on this website lol.

Take it for what it's worth Poon King/PlayHerMan, you are just speaking to your audience and this audience is full of nothing but extreme Red Pillers. You aren't here to HELP MEN, you are here to get your rocks off speaking the "sermons" that this Red Pill Choir wants to hear preached.

 

[wifehunter]

Quality women are rare and I'm not surprised at your condition. Coping means, I keep my eyes open for any good one's that come into my life, or comings and goings. If the Lord wants to put one in my life, He will.

Remember, quality women are the exception, not the rule.

It important to stay positive, otherwise she may go under the radar.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I believe the best choice is in the middle, to use a bulletproof no bullsh1t policy when dealing with women is mandatory nowadays especially when it comes of chances they have to influence your life even if you want to cut it with them.

But at the same time given that you're in a condition of security and have your ass covered nothing should prevent you from dating, hanging out or hunting for pvssy.

While I consider a suicidal idea to take a girl in your home and sign papers that you're togheter, I dont find anything wrong in having a ltr with a girl who lives in her her house and knows sh1t about your income and wealth nor has any chance to ask you anything you dont wanna give.

Personally I like to live my life at my own terms without giving a single inch of freedom to anyone while at the same time surround myself with girls dtf that accept what I offer.

 

[C00lAF]

Just let them in man,dont take yourself THAT srs,it is when intimacy is achived,and feels good,even if you let them know your insecurities,you man the fvck up when they try to jam you through it,and thats where REAL MEN/dj stands out,not some bitter sh1t,as if you let them in they would know the nuclear codes of the white house and destroy the planet....meh...

 

[Poon King]

You love posting on Sosuave TODAY because the audience is different. You didn't like doing it a couple years ago under the PlayHerMan username because the Red Pill/MGTOW theories were massively rejected by the audience of Sosuave THEN, as it was still mainly a "Pook related" self-development focus audience.

The audience is different today on Sosuave, at least the audience of those who post regularly or post in general. This audience wants to hear Red Pill, MGTOW, women are back-stabbing bytches type of material. If you produce that type of material this current audience will love you, if you produce material that goes against that, you will not be that "popular" around here.

Take my Sosuave experience for example. When I first came here I was pissed off, angry, bitter, etc. All I posted was a lot of Red Pill, "women ain't shyt" type of commentary. And what happened? I was popular lol.

When I fixed my anger issues, no longer was bitter, starting loving/appreciating women again and changed my perspective on things to thus start creating NEW commentary.......that's when Tenacity became the most hated poster on this website lol.

Take it for what it's worth Poon King/PlayHerMan, you are just speaking to your audience and this audience is full of nothing but extreme Red Pillers. You aren't here to HELP MEN, you are here to get your rocks off speaking the "sermons" that this Red Pill Choir wants to hear preached.

You're like a broken record repeating the same whiny nonsense over and over.

How about you PROVE that women are NOT all the things "The red pill" claims or you shut the f*ck up?

Again... PROVE IT or shut up.

 

[Poon King]

Just let them in man,dont take yourself THAT srs,it is when intimacy is achived,and feels good,even if you let them know your insecurities,you man the fvck up when they try to jam you through it,and thats where REAL MEN/dj stands out,not some bitter sh1t,as if you let them in they would know the nuclear codes of the white house and destroy the planet....meh...

When it comes to my own life.. the only definition of "Real Man" I give a sh!t about is my own.

To me a real man gets what he wants. Everything else is a gimmick.

Regarding "intimacy" I don't really care about it one way or another. Maybe if I drink a shot of estrogen I will value intimacy more. What do you think?

 

[C00lAF]

When it comes to my own life.. the only definition of "Real Man" I give a sh!t about is my own.

Same goes for me,im just stating my opinion like anyone else here,you dont have to take it.

To me a real man gets what he wants. Everything else is a gimmick

I agree,a man also does not let anyone plate or whatever dissrespect him or try to make him think bad of ones self to get what they want or use him as provider(i called it jaming on insecurties) dont you think so?

Regarding "intimacy" I don't really care about it one way or another. Maybe if I drink a shot of estrogen I will value intimacy more. What do you think?

Incase you forgot that everyone prefers something or in the game for a reason;i actually enjoy some wine and lit candles and some affection,and before i get hit with the co dependent talk,i enjoy it while it lasts,no feelings before no feelings after and i dont initiane after that and i did it with my 3 current plates and i have zero feelings for any of them and will fire them the moment i smell manipulation so that is that.i let them in,but not TOO in,just the right amount.
Fun fact:Women synthesize most of theirestrogen in their ovaries and other reproductive tissues. Since men lack this female anatomy, they need toproduce estrogen through a process involving an enzyme called aromatase that transforms testosterone intoestradiol.

 

[Glassguy]

Some men are able to let women in just deep enough to keep their interest. I am one of those men.

Some men jump head first into an emotional roller coaster without any plan for themselves. They just roll the dice and hope for the best.

The ones that are cautious are the ones more often than not that come on here talking about spinning plates and having fun in the dating world.

The head first jumpers are the ones posting about the tough break up or asking everyone why a woman is treating them poorly.

I don't see many plate spinners moving over to become the head first jumpers, but I see plenty of the head first jumpers moving over to spin plates.

Why?

They want back control of themselves and their situations.

But both exist.