So You're MGTOW/Red Pill.......What's NEXT?

[ubercat]

I don't think you're naive. European women generally know a fair bit of history and speak a few languages and have travelled at least in Europe. so you get more with the basic package than just the golden V

 

[wolf]

I haven't dated for a while as I needed to work through the aftermath of my NPD/BPD dynamic that almost pushed me over the edge.
Finding the Redpill has helped me have a clear head with regard to women. My 'game' was always strong and I never had any trouble getting women so to speak it was just that NPD/BPD 'thing' that destroyed any blue pill way of thinking inside of me.

Women for me were always a way at trying to fill some unfillable empty black hole within myself. I was always an emotionally unavailable lothario and no amount of women were enough to fill my emptiness.

Recovering from my own CPTSD and childhood wounds that my NPD/BPD dynamic bought to light I no longer feel 'empty'. This puts me in a situation where I am ready to move forward by myself for myself.

I start my new job on Monday and I will hopefully be debt free by the summer. I will hopefully find a good woman to settle down with one day but for now I am focusing on 'me' and growing/evolving myself. The most important thing I have learned with women is when to walk away. Never put yourself last and never let yourself be emasculated.

Casual dating just doesn't do it for me anymore but maybe that will change. All I know is that if it does I will be ready.

That is what the redpill/mgtow means to me.

Scratch that....

Got laid last night. God bless work xmas parties!

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I don't think you're naive. European women generally know a fair bit of history and speak a few languages and have travelled at least in Europe. so you get more with the basic package than just the golden V

Foreign are can be just as ghastly as American women, but it's hard to find ONE cultured, charming American woman whereas my experiences overseas were about 50/50. Not just European girls but that's where I've traveled.

In just my short time on the road (little over a month) I met a girl from the Czech Republic who spoke 5 languages, wore a yellow sundress, and complimented me the night we met, and Argentinian who was a natural born 10 without an ounce of makeup, and also a Kiwi (New Zealand) girl who charmed me into a oneitis with one date. Probably a good thing I never saw her again...

 

[Poon King]

No, that wasn't my intent with asking the question. The question centers around the MGTOW/Red Pill foundational theory that you can't trust women because it's their quote, unquote "nature" to (insert some sort of negative, manipulative, back-stabbing trait here).

- So my first question is, if you can't trust women and it's their "nature" to screw you over in some context, then why even bother with them? Why haven't you ACTUALLY gone your own way, which would be to completely STOP dating women?

Its not about trusting women.. its about understanding their true nature.

You can always trust women to do what they believe is in their best interest. Your only job is to do what you believe is in YOUR best interest instead being a white knight like most men.

- Secondly, you will see many of these MGTOW/Red Pill guys taking pride in how many plates they are spinning, how many dates they have lined up, and how many women they have fvcked. But if it's quote, unquote in a woman's "nature" to be bad, fvck you over, etc., why would you brag about dating them? Why would you brag about fvcking them? Why would you brag about spinning plates? It's like stating you hate eating at XYZ restaurant because they serve horrible food, but you get on Facebook and brag about having ate at that particular restaurant last night .

Are you claiming women never f*ck men over?

Getting laid and having a lot of sexual options is fun and empowering. Doing it on your own terms without getting f*cked over in any way is even more empowering. Most men feel good about it as they should. Not sure why that's hard to understand.

 

[skinnyguy]

i dont really date, i just spend most of time at work and when i get off i just spend time with my hobbies like gym, martial arts etc........ive just never been good at maintaining relationships or meeting new people and whatnot, im just very introverted i guess. i dont spend my time complaining about women or things like that, but i also dont go out of my way to meet or interact with them anymore. i just go about my own business. unless one of them really just falls into my lap im not interested.

and since you asked and really wanted to know, once in a while ill get some from a hot stripper or whatever if i wanted to have some fun. otherwise jerking off to some internet porn and going to sleep is good enough for me. in fact these days, just getting a good nights sleep is what i care about more than anything else. getting married, having kids, changing diapers, worrying about possible divorce in the future, having to pay for a family etc......none of that sounds appealing to me at all. id rather just keep making money for myself and keep working on myself and keep enjoying my hobbies while i still i can. i dont have it all figured out, but i dont think the typical married life is for me at all.

lol that's pretty much me in a nutshell. I actually hooked up with a hot stripper last week, it was fun and casual/no drama at all.

i love working a lot, and making money for myself. there's 0% chance i can get divorced which is awesome. i get to go to the gym when i want, and travel when i want. i'm taking a random vacation with my friends to mexico in a couple of weeks. i can get trashed there and hook up with colombian hookers if i want - no one cares.

i also do not go out of my way to meet women. hell most of them I'm not even attracted to, and most of the ones my age are married. "looking for women" can cause depression. i'm trying to surround myself with positivity right now because no one else gives f*ck about my happiness so if i don't do it no one will.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

There seems to be a misconception about being red pill.

It does not mean that you think all women are evil. It does not mean that you can't be in an LTR with a woman.

It does not mean that you can't love a woman and she can't love you.

It does mean (as Poon King said) that a woman will do what is in her best interest.

It does mean that a woman loves differently than a man does.

It does mean that women are very very different than men. And once you understand that, your dealings with women will get Better and easier.

It does mean that you need to live in your own frame, not hers. Or again (as Poon King stated), do what is in your best interest.

-Augustus-

 

[playa99]

No, that wasn't my intent with asking the question. The question centers around the MGTOW/Red Pill foundational theory that you can't trust women because it's their quote, unquote "nature" to (insert some sort of negative, manipulative, back-stabbing trait here).

- So my first question is, if you can't trust women and it's their "nature" to screw you over in some context, then why even bother with them? Why haven't you ACTUALLY gone your own way, which would be to completely STOP dating women?

- Secondly, you will see many of these MGTOW/Red Pill guys taking pride in how many plates they are spinning, how many dates they have lined up, and how many women they have fvcked. But if it's quote, unquote in a woman's "nature" to be bad, fvck you over, etc., why would you brag about dating them? Why would you brag about fvcking them? Why would you brag about spinning plates? It's like stating you hate eating at XYZ restaurant because they serve horrible food, but you get on Facebook and brag about having ate at that particular restaurant last night .



I completely agree. You know what I think really motivates the MGTOW Movement? I think it's finding comfort in misery.

Most of the MGTOW guys are broke/unattractive guys who usually do not have a lot of "good" things going for themselves in life. The MGTOW Movement becomes a form of comfort for them in knowing they aren't ALONE, because the reality is that they feel alone....not just some of the time, but they feel alone MOST of the time.

As much as they rail against other guys (like Brad Pitt) for being quote, unquote "Blue Pill/AFC/Beta Fag.got", does Brad Pitt look unhappy? Does he look angry, bitter, or full of hate?

The happy guys, who have their life together and who are succeeding in life......are fvcking BLUE Pill based on the definitions provided in the MGTOW Movement. What does that tell you? Put it like this, which one of these guys would you rather be:

Guy A: Knows the Red Pill, doesn't date women, and spends most of his time with other MGTOW discussing how horrible women are. Also he knows the Red Pill about life in general, including economics, so to avoid paying taxes to support "The Matrix" he doesn't pursue major career goals, so he's likely broke as well.

Guy B: Doesn't know shyt about a Red Pill or Blue Pill. He got rejected by women in the Past, it hurt him, but he didn't allow it to JADE him. He just kept going through life, focusing on his goals and working on himself. Today, he has a degree (or two), working in the career he wants, living in the nice area he wants, and in a committed LTR or married. However, most MGTOW when they see this guy would label him as Blue Pill (or a beta fag.got).

IDK about you guys, but I would rather be Guy B (the beta fag.got).

I could not agree more. I find it entertaining how a lot of red pill guys don't hate women but describe them with nothing but negativity. I would rather be guy B and guy A is why this will be final thread on here for now! A lot of the old material promotes being guy B!

I really do feel for the guys who have been with a woman with a mental illness and I have no doubt that some of the guys here have been through that!

Hell before I came here my Dads ex was a diagnosed bipolar & used to do all kinds of crazy **** whilst I was around, so I have an understanding of what it's like.

I'm simply talking about absolving yourself of personal responsibility based solely on other people's actions, that ain't right! There is always a 'reason' not to succeed.

Example: I used to blame everyone else for why MY business wasn't succeeding. You gotta own that Sh!t!

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

There seem to be more than a few guys here who don't really understand red pill philosophy. They should take a look at therationalmale.com starting with the early posts.

-Augustus-

 

[Poon King]

There seem to be more than a few guys here who don't really understand red pill philosophy. They should take a look at therationalmale.com starting with the early posts.

-Augustus-

In the end, all Red Pill philosophy boils down to is don't be a mindless sheep. Think for yourself at all times and live in reality so that you can make intelligent educated choices.

Who would be against that?

Most people who misunderstand Red Pill philosophy are people with sheep mentality looking for heroes to follow instead of just gathering useful information to apply to their own lives on their own terms.

Men who need everyone to "agree" with how they live their lives (especially people in the Internet) are losers with much bigger issues to worry about that "angry MGTOW" men.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I disagree. The people who disagree with red pill philosophy are looking for villains..."evil woman hating abusive fark anything a-holes". They need to think that because it lets them feel more comfortable with their existence.

I understand the impulse. It is a big task to accept that everything you were taught about women and relationships might have been completely wrong.

Overcoming fear is never easy.

 

[BeExcellent]

Women do look out for their best interests. I do and unapologetically. And men must look out for their best interests too. This is what everybody should be doing.

Any person who abdicates ownership of their own choices is in for an unhappy victim mentality life.

Women do this when they expect someone else (a man) to make them happy; men do this by buying into the fallacy that they are capable of making someone else happy. These common falsehoods compliment each other!! And voilà you have two miserable disillusioned people who don't see how they got where they are.

Embrace responsibility for your own self, your own life, your own happiness. Ruthlessly cull from your life people who add nothing of value to your existence (this creates the space for people of actual value to occupy).

Once you do this (see things how they really are and only allow in those who bring value into your life) something pretty neat happens...you live from a genuine place rather than a "I'm now supposed to do this" place.

You'll begin to align yourself with others who have similar interests but who can stand on their own independent of you.

And lo and behold you may find a woman who likes you/loves you and whose best interests align with yours. Successful marriages and LTR relationships share common best interests; with the man at the helm and the woman in the supporting role.

"Red pill" marriages can enjoy better success I believe because they are rooted in reality rather than societal fallacy...but this requires two people who "get it".

In this way I think "Guy B" is worth aspiring to for men who want a LTR of some sort, and/or family or even marriage. As long as "Guy B" understands reality he should do Ok.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I wanted to start a discussion (which I'm hoping will be a pretty good one) on what do you guys do after you go MGTOW? I referred to myself as MGTOW months ago, but honestly, I don't fit the definition of it because while I agree with aspects of the movement (such as the Family Court areas) I don't agree with most of it (such as branding women as all evil).

So here's my question to the guys who are MGTOW or Red Pill, what's next? You said you have found the secret treasure of truth in relation to women, how they act, their intentions, etc., etc., so what's next?

- Are you actually going to go your own WAY and never date women again? How can you date women when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?

- Can you handle never getting pvssy again for the rest of your life, or are you going to just screw escorts when you are horny? Or, are you going to go gay?

- Most of you are under 40 who talk about the MGTOW/Red Pill stuff, what do you do when you are over 40 and spinning plates isn't "cool" anymore?

- Do you not want to create kids, ever? If so, how can you do that with a woman when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?

What's next? That's what I want to know. Also, if you have gone your own way, why are you still on a site dedicated to discussing women/dating/relationships? If your "typical answer" is that you want to "help men", who is to say you are helping anybody with your spreading of MGTOW/Red Pill theories? What if in actuality you are taking a stove fire and turning it into a full-fledged house fire?

These are serious questions.

interesting topic

i took the "red pill" around 3 years ago because i was fed up of stressing over dead end women

sure enough i havent stressed over a woman in a long time in contrast plenty have stressed over me ,

ive had plenty of pu$$y in the last couple of years , not as much as i should be banging because of circumstances in my financial and personal life

but i couldnt say taking the red pill has stopped me from getting pu$$y if anything it makes it easier because im so direct with women now they either accept the d1ck appointment or they dont , it weeds out timewasters

i know plenty of guys in there 40's still spinnng plates , most of them train in my gym and have come out of heavy divorces and are now finding they're way back on the scene

as far as dating women goes these days i have a solid rule that i wont date a woman outside any of my social circles, this is because of a couple of reasons but the main one being......

if you date a woman in your social circle her behaviour at the dating stage is likely to be better because she risks casting a negative image over herself in the circle if she plays up / starts fvcking other guys

saying that i havent dated a woman in a while now , just havent seen the point in spending 100 bucks +, on a "first date" thats unlikely to even get you laid

( most "dates" are incredibly hard to transition into sex .)

i will admit that the children topic is an issue to me as i probably will want to father 1 if not 2 children in my lifetime

i guess im just praying i eventually run into a woman that would be fit for baring my children :/

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

- Are you actually going to go your own WAY and never date women again? How can you date women when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?
Lack of trust? This is a subjective, personal assumption; the not uncommon black and white thinking. I know women in my life that I can trust. I know those that I cannot.
For me a woman's trust worthiness is not the primary issue. Rather, trusting myself to react appropriately, regardless of others is far more pertinent a consideration.

- Can you handle never getting pvssy again for the rest of your life, or are you going to just screw escorts when you are horny? Or, are you going to go gay?
This is a ridiculous question, demonstrating a profound lack of insight, or just straight trolling. Either way, I have neither the will nor inclination to explain everything that's wrong with it.

- Most of you are under 40 who talk about the MGTOW/Red Pill stuff, what do you do when you are over 40 and spinning plates isn't "cool" anymore?
Who says it won't be 'cool' anymore? I don't give a fck about any prescription of being 'cool'. How fckn old are you... 12?

- Do you not want to create kids, ever? If so, how can you do that with a woman when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?
I'm too selfish for kids at the moment. And nor do I see any merit in adding to a burgeoning population, within which people ask such fatuous questions as above.

Too many guys in the manoshpere see game/red pill/mgtow/whatever as final destinations. It's safe for them, they have 'answers' and 'techniques' they can rely upon.

What's next...? To finally understand that these philosophies are actually conduits to the real destination; that being, becoming a man.

 

[Tenacity]

- Are you actually going to go your own WAY and never date women again? How can you date women when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?
Lack of trust? This is a subjective, personal assumption; the not uncommon black and white thinking. I know women in my life that I can trust. I know those that I cannot.
For me a woman's trust worthiness is not the primary issue. Rather, trusting myself to react appropriately, regardless of others is far more pertinent a consideration.

I'm discussing the Red Pill theories sir, and said theories are founded on women NOT being trustworthy.

- Can you handle never getting pvssy again for the rest of your life, or are you going to just screw escorts when you are horny? Or, are you going to go gay?

This is a ridiculous question, demonstrating a profound lack of insight, or just straight trolling. Either way, I have neither the will nor inclination to explain everything that's wrong with it.

No, the question is a good question. For example, let's say I want to GO MY OWN WAY in relation to driving cars, which is to say I don't want to drive cars anymore for (insert reason here). So then the next question becomes, what am I going to do for transportation? I still have a need for transportation. So am I going to ride the bus, walk, take a train, take a airplane, ride a bike, what?

- Most of you are under 40 who talk about the MGTOW/Red Pill stuff, what do you do when you are over 40 and spinning plates isn't "cool" anymore?

Who says it won't be 'cool' anymore? I don't give a fck about any prescription of being 'cool'. How fckn old are you... 12?

Nah, I'm a bit older than 12 lol. The question is centered around LONG TERM PLANNING. What's the ultimate goal of dating women for you? Is it pvssy only? A good time only? Is there a particular goal in relation to making kids, a family, settling down, etc.? How would you feel at 53 still spinning plates and beating your chest about it on a site called Sosuave to a guy called "The Poon King"?

Listen I know there's a lot of older men on this forum and I respect many of you.......but I'm telling you right now at 33 in the year of 2016......in 17 years during the year of 2033 if I'm STILL on this fvcking website I would have considered my entire dating life to be a significant failure.

- Do you not want to create kids, ever? If so, how can you do that with a woman when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?

I'm too selfish for kids at the moment. .

Notice you said "at the moment". The question again is centered around long term planning, or have you even thought this shyt out long term? Are you just focused on TODAY?

What's next...? To finally understand that these philosophies are actually conduits to the real destination; that being, becoming a man.

Okay and what is your definition of a "Man"? There's got to be at least 100 different definitions of a "Man" out there and usually the people providing the definition will give you a description of a "Man" based on whatever agenda they want to push.

You want my opinion on the Red Pill Theories? Okay, I'll give them to you one more time. I believe the Red Pill is BULLSHYT. All of it. Every single detail of it.

Your problems with women have nothing to do with you being Blue Pill, it's all to do with a changing dynamic in society where traditional women are dying out and the new far left/center left women are taking center stage. Your dealings with this women will be different. The ALL OUT Alpha shyt doesn't even fvcking work in the real world.

My advice to guys is to leave the fvcking Manosphere. Take your low self esteem and lack of confidence, and go up to that girl you like and talk to her.......even while you are shaking.......even while you piss your fvcking pants.

- Do that 10 times and you notice something, you'll no longer shake when you approach a woman.

- Do that 10 more times and you notice you no longer piss your pants.

- Do it 10 more times and you notice you are now COMPLETELY comfortable doing it.

- Do it 10 more times and now you notice that not only are you comfortable, you have developed your own little style to it and women are receptive to you.

The fvcking SOLUTION has never been a Red Pill or some anonymous fvcking idiot's theories on the internet. The solution is YOU getting over your fvcking FEAR of just being around women, dealing with women, and managing women.

 

[Mike32ct]

My advice to guys is to leave the fvcking Manosphere. Take your low self esteem and lack of confidence, and go up to that girl you like and talk to her.......even while you are shaking.......even while you piss your fvcking pants.

- Do that 10 times and you notice something, you'll no longer shake when you approach a woman.

- Do that 10 more times and you notice you no longer piss your pants.

- Do it 10 more times and you notice you are now COMPLETELY comfortable doing it.

- Do it 10 more times and now you notice that not only are you comfortable, you have developed your own little style to it and women are receptive to you.

The fvcking SOLUTION has never been a Red Pill or some anonymous fvcking idiot's theories on the internet. The solution is YOU getting over your fvcking FEAR of just being around women, dealing with women, and managing women.

Can't argue with this. I would just like to go off on a slight tangent and add what I think is an important "footnote." This is just my personal opinion and probably armchair psychology.

While I love the bold "Face your fears until they go away" mantra, my concern is that if you don't address the negative thought patterns, you can actually keep REINFORCING the negativity and the FEAR each time you use exposure. In other words, exposure ALONE could make things worse for some guys.

Example 1 - Exposure Only

AFC Guy: <Women are so bytchy. They are so mean when I approach them.>

AFC Guy: "Ummmm hi?" <shaking as I approach her>

HB8: <eyeroll and walk away>

AFC Guy: <I knew it. She's a bytch like the rest of them>

Example 2 - Change Thought Pattern and Use Exposure Together

AFC Guy: <Women are cute. Sometimes they're cool. Sometimes they give me silly eyerolls, but whatever.>

AFC Guy: "Hey what's going on?"

HB8: "Nothing" <walks away>

AFC Guy: <Ok whatever. I'll find one that actually talks lol. Next...>


So while both examples use exposure, and they both face negative reactions from women, the second guy is more likely to dig his way out of his "rut" because he's not reinforcing the negative crap in his head each time he approaches.

Anyway, just my $0.02.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Guy A: Knows the Red Pill, doesn't date women, and spends most of his time with other MGTOW discussing how horrible women are. Also he knows the Red Pill about life in general, including economics, so to avoid paying taxes to support "The Matrix" he doesn't pursue major career goals, so he's likely broke as well.

Guy B: Doesn't know shyt about a Red Pill or Blue Pill. He got rejected by women in the Past, it hurt him, but he didn't allow it to JADE him. He just kept going through life, focusing on his goals and working on himself. Today, he has a degree (or two), working in the career he wants, living in the nice area he wants, and in a committed LTR or married. However, most MGTOW when they see this guy would label him as Blue Pill (or a beta fag.got).

If only it was this black and white

 

[Poon King]

The question is centered around LONG TERM PLANNING. What's the ultimate goal of dating women for you? Is it pvssy only? A good time only? Is there a particular goal in relation to making kids, a family, settling down, etc.? How would you feel at 53 still spinning plates and beating your chest about it on a site called Sosuave to a guy called "The Poon King"?

Listen I know there's a lot of older men on this forum and I respect many of you.......but I'm telling you right now at 33 in the year of 2016......in 17 years during the year of 2033 if I'm STILL on this fvcking website I would have considered my entire dating life to be a significant failure.

It seems like your entire dating life is already a failure. And those are your words not mine.

What is your definition of a successful dating life? The tag team partner Disney dream you were talking about weeks ago?

Winning at life has nothing to do with "being on a website at 53" or wearing certain clothes, or having a certain size TV. Winning at life means having the power and freedom to live the way you want. Nothing more and nothing less.

A man's mindset is a big part of it. Your mindset is "validation seeking" and "control over other people's opinions". This is the mindset of a man with no goals, no ambition and no life. I don't see things improving for you in your 50's whether you're on this site or not. Not with your weak ass gay boy mindset.

 

[Tenacity]

It seems like your entire dating life is already a failure. And those are your words not mine.

If I said anything like that I was just ranting.

What is your definition of a successful dating life

? The tag team partner Disney dream you were talking about weeks ago?

Yes

Winning at life means having the power and freedom to live the way you want.

Nothing more and nothing less.

I agree, which is why I have chosen (freedom) to define ultimate success for TENACITY in dating/romantic relationships as having the tag team partner I wanted in life. That's what I've been focusing on. My anger issues are over (or just about over). I'm no longer looking for perfection like I was prior. I've been zoning in on women that have the potential to be the Tag Team Partner.

Your mindset is "validation seeking" and "control over other people's opinions".

That's not my mindset at all, I don't even know what you're talking about.

This is the mindset of a man with no goals, no ambition and no life.

Poon King, stop talking out of your a.ss. Anybody who has looked me up offline will tell you that I'm probably one of the MOST ambitious motherfvckers on this site. My time, career schedule, fitness schedule, visions/goals, are FULL right now.

Again, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I don't see things improving for you in your 50's whether you're on this site or not. Not with your weak ass gay boy mindset.

If in 17 years I'm still on this website replying to ANY one of your threads.....I will pay somebody to come shoot me.

 

[Poon King]

Poon King, stop talking out of your a.ss. Anybody who has looked me up offline will tell you that I'm probably one of the MOST ambitious motherfvckers on this site. My time, career schedule, fitness schedule, visions/goals, are FULL right now.

Yet you always have time to get into estrogen fueled arguments and attention wh0ring on the Internet. Hah.

If in 17 years I'm still on this website replying to ANY one of your threads.....I will pay somebody to come shoot me.

Tell your family you will die in your 50's then. Also tell them you will die for one of the stupidest reasons on earth.

 

[Tenacity]

Yet you always have time to get into estrogen fueled arguments and attention wh0ring on the Internet. Hah.

My average post count per day is like 2. I don't call that "a lot" of time. I stop in and stop out during down times.

I still want to know what's your purpose Poon King? Do you have any long term planning towards this or are you just focused on the short term?

And just give me a straight up answer, drop the Poon King cartoon character gimmick and just be real for once.