Date won´t kiss on 2nd date

[Juanto]

I think you're trolling now. But here's what you do:

You're going to invite her out to something close to your place. You're going to let her do the talking and initiate physical contact. Once she does, you're going to reciprocate touch and go in for the kiss. Escalate, then tell her you want to show her a glass of wine, or anything in your place. You will take her back and seduce her.

Have better things to do with my time then trolling other people

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

"I am cooking a meal at my place. You bring the wine."

If she chickens out, and then move on.

 

[Juanto]

I think you're trolling now. But here's what you do:

You're going to invite her out to something close to your place. You're going to let her do the talking and initiate physical contact. Once she does, you're going to reciprocate touch and go in for the kiss. Escalate, then tell her you want to show her a glass of wine, or anything in your place. You will take her back and seduce her.

I did this, and she replied with counter offer for dinner for monday, that she had mentioned yesterday too. Her text:
"Patience is a virtue dear..Life tastes better like this!Monday just round the corner...If U still up to it.Lets check the third time at least.Sounds good?"

 

[devilkingx2]

I did this, and she replied with counter offer for dinner for monday, that she had mentioned yesterday too. Her text:
"Patience is a virtue dear..Life tastes better like this!Monday just round the corner...If U still up to it.Lets check the third time at least.Sounds good?"

"deal, but only if you're buying"

watch how fast you never hear from her again

 

[EyeBRollin]

I did this, and she replied with counter offer for dinner for monday, that she had mentioned yesterday too. Her text:
"Patience is a virtue dear..Life tastes better like this!Monday just round the corner...If U still up to it.Lets check the third time at least.Sounds good?"

If she brings up dinner, she's a professional dater. Eject now.

 

[thinktwice]

A professional dater? Why would you eject now? Go on that stupid date and see what happens

 

[Juanto]

Yes im going but im not paying the full dinner, obviously. Will let her do all the kino and see where it goes

 

[Herb]

Dating milestones 2016:

1) She flirts
2) You let your romantic interest be known right away
3) She compliments you
4) She kisses or at least hugs you
5) She writes her number down
6) You send initial text
7) She replies to initial text (large percentage fail here)
8) You are able to entertain her via text for a few days (some say not to text too much, but early on, most girls with high interest will text you a LOT, let her do most of it)
9) You are able to get her to initiate a text conversation on a given day (she should initiate about twice a week and you should text about 5 days per week)
10) You offer a date (Example: I'm staying at the Ritz Carlton next Saturday night and I'll be dining at their five star restaurant called X if you want to join me. I'll be there at 8)
11) She accepts
12) She says she is excited (I find that women who are going to put out almost exclusively use this exact word)
13) You go MIA for 1-2 days right before the date
14) She sends date reminder (never send a date reminder yourself)
15) She shows up for date (give her a kiss on the cheek when you greet her but don't mess up her makeup or hair)
16) She touches you first during the date (I am hands-off until this milestone occurs)
17) She mirrors you when you are seated at the bar (lean toward her the same angle. Never rotate 90 degrees to face her. Never rotate more than she does)
18) She maintains comfortable contact (example - your knees are touching as you sit together)
19) She kisses you good night
20) MOST IMPORTANT - After the date she sends a text thanking you. Never text her until this happens
21) Even if sex happened, minimize any talk about sex after the date. Remember, she might say she was drunk, and is likely in a different state of mind

Texting 5 days a week? I've heard advice from others to do as little as possible. With the exception of some girls who just liked texting a lot and getting to know me before meeting (and who likely had high attraction to begin with and wanted something more serious eventually, or who had a needy kind of personality), the less I texted in between meeting her and the date, the better. I thought the key was to keep anticipation going by not seeming too available. But I guess if she really is texting you that much, and of her own volition, then yeah you shouldn't just ignore them. But at least don't reply too quickly.

Dinner at the Ritz 5 star restaurant for a first date? I assume you're listing that as just an example for those who can afford it. I wish I had the dough for that, but even so, is it really a good idea to spend 100 on the first date? Pretty big investment and might make you seem like you're trying hard to please or buy your way into her favor. I usually just do drinks at a decent, mid-range place. Like not a complete dive or frat bar but not a super fancy ****tail lounge or wine bar either. Also, if you do dinner as the first thing, you could run the risk of having to spend an inordinately long amount of time with someone you're just not compatible with, can't you? Could get awkward. I figured it was easier to be able make a quick exit with just drinks, and to also move it to some other activity after, like walking around. Second date however, I do dinners since I know I can actually deal with them and have a good convo.

As for the OP, yeah maybe I'd give it one more shot, if that, and then move on. It's true that some girls are just slower and more traditional, but I dunno...

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

After her last SMS I tend to agree with devilking. Just received this text, with referênces to things we joked about yesterday:
"I respect U like clear situations-so do I.I think its very mature!By the way,there's so much to lose already!Ur trip to Katowice with me,U will not hire me as a Polish assistant&U will not try my magical juices!Are U ready to lose so much?So what is the next step senhore Juanto?"

I did this, and she replied with counter offer for dinner for monday, that she had mentioned yesterday too. Her text:
"Patience is a virtue dear..Life tastes better like this!Monday just round the corner...If U still up to it.Lets check the third time at least.Sounds good?"

Holy crap, that is extremely indignifying. Why the **** would you ever even respond to her or consider going out with her after that message? Who the hell just says that 'if your patient and wait long enough you MIGHT get some action with me'?. What the actual **** dude? She is dangling her ***** over your head like a cat toy. You aren't gonna catch it even if you think you will. You "have so much to lose"? Who the hell says that to someone? Damn bro, she just took your own manhood and shoved it up your ass. And you don't even see that. What she is doing is the same thing as a woman telling her man "if you do this for me, I might let you have sex with me tonight". How can you not see that?

Damn son, some of you guys said I was being a jerk to my ex in my thread, but let's be real here, I have a great amount of self respect and I was not willing to compromise that for anyone. Neother should you guys though. 2 dates and not even a kiss? Then she does not see you with any SEXUAL interest. She might have interest in you through other things, but she does not see you in a sexual light. Get that through your head bro. You are being played like a card. Grab hold of your balls, you already told her that you are done with her and now you are going back on your wprd because she said that you MIGHT get some. This woman compromised your character and self-worth. And because of this, SHE SEES YOU AS NOTHING.

 

[Juanto]

Holy crap, that is extremely indignifying. Why the **** would you ever even respond to her or consider going out with her after that message? Who the hell just says that 'if your patient and wait long enough you MIGHT get some action with me'?. What the actual **** dude? She is dangling her ***** over your head like a cat toy. You aren't gonna catch it even if you think you will. You "have so much to lose"? Who the hell says that to someone? Damn bro, she just took your own manhood and shoved it up your ass. And you don't even see that. What she is doing is the same thing as a woman telling her man "if you do this for me, I might let you have sex with me tonight". How can you not see that?

Damn son, some of you guys said I was being a jerk to my ex in my thread, but let's be real here, I have a great amount of self respect and I was not willing to compromise that for anyone. Neother should you guys though. 2 dates and not even a kiss? Then she does not see you with any SEXUAL interest. She might have interest in you through other things, but she does not see you in a sexual light. Get that through your head bro. You are being played like a card. Grab hold of your balls, you already told her that you are done with her and now you are going back on your wprd because she said that you MIGHT get some. This woman compromised your character and self-worth. And because of this, SHE SEES YOU AS NOTHING.

Good insights DoubleGreatest... Just hate going back on my word again now.

Anyway, and as with many other situations, spinning more plates solves issues like this one, which I will look forward to do.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Good insights DoubleGreatest... Just hate going back on my word again now.

Anyway, and as with many other situations, spinning more plates solves issues like this one, which I will look forward to do.

I recall a friend of mine who had a girl come up to him and say that she will give him a bj if he pays her $30. He got so insulted that he told her ok and that she should meet him at a certain place and time for this to go down. Then he texted her that he got lost and is still looking for her. He texted her making her run down random streets for a half hour to find him. He of course didn't go at all, he was just texting her all that stuff. Then he texted her saying that she was a hoe and that he wouldn't pay her a penny for a bj.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I recall a friend of mine who had a girl come up to him and say that she will give him a bj if he pays her $30. He got so insulted that he told her ok and that she should meet him at a certain place and time for this to go down. Then he texted her that he got lost and is still looking for her. He texted her making her run down random streets for a half hour to find him. He of course didn't go at all, he was just texting her all that stuff. Then he texted her saying that she was a hoe and that he wouldn't pay her a penny for a bj.

$30 for head to completion is not that bad. Cheaper than drinks or dinner in most cases and you get right to the point. It's very cheap.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

I agree that $30 for head is a great price. That's not much more than crackhead prices lol
She took the time to call you "friend" in that text. Women choose words very carefully and that was a clear signal that she wants you in the friend zone. I'd either next her immediately or agree to "date" 3 and pull a no show. Screw that crap. So much to lose, my ass!

 

[devilkingx2]

I recall a friend of mine who had a girl come up to him and say that she will give him a bj if he pays her $30. He got so insulted that he told her ok and that she should meet him at a certain place and time for this to go down. Then he texted her that he got lost and is still looking for her. He texted her making her run down random streets for a half hour to find him. He of course didn't go at all, he was just texting her all that stuff. Then he texted her saying that she was a hoe and that he wouldn't pay her a penny for a bj.

if she was hot $30 was a good price, mostly if she agreed to do the sucking BEFORE you pay

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

if she was hot $30 was a good price, mostly if she agreed to do the sucking BEFORE you pay

Why pay for it when you can get it for free just by dealing with a chick and her liking you and your mannerisms by you dealing with her? No dates needed then, and that is the most natural way to develop intimacy with someone.

 

[Juanto]

Crackhead prostitution has nothing to do with this game. And she would be out.

Has nothing to do with anything.

And dates are always needed. Though not dates on her terms.

Netflix and chill is still a date. I don't understand these guys who claim that they are banging girls without any dates: care to explain?

Dates are a necessary compromise for a man. It's about how much you want to go: and OP is going way too far on the third date with this dinner sh*t with a girl who hasn't even kissed him yet.

You escalated. She failed the whole point of your physical escalation. And now you want to take her out for dinner? What the fvck are you doing, and why?

You went from having some good game (through structure that you learnt), to having no game (she's dragging you into uncharted waters). Guys here (including myself) have charted these waters, but you don't want to listen.

Dump her at this point. You have lost so much frame that she isn't worth it. You would be better off using her as a crutch to make yourself better.

Yes it does feel out of sequence, and me coming from a place of scarcity and insecurity. Since she hasnt yet confirmed the time and place that I suggested, I will just ghost her and disappear.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

And dates are always needed. Though not dates on her terms.

Netflix and chill is still a date. I don't understand these guys who claim that they are banging girls without any dates: care to explain?

Well what we consider to be dates may be different then. I was saying how just dealing with women on a social level is enough to build interest. After all, women are simply just another aspect of social dynamics.

 

[Juanto]

I'll approach this within your frame.

Listen, once you understand her front: you are the one with power. She wants to covertly push a friendzone frame, that means she needs you more than you need her.

And consider the situation. She is a Polish (don't forget this - they have fvcked even me over in the past) immigrant, coming from the UK (surprise) that has been in your country for a few weeks, and got on meetup.com in order to build a network.

She is using you.

These girls are often a real acid test of your alpha/beta credentials. You either ditch her/move her into a low-investment game, or you do the gay dinner-date with her.

Be ruthless. She is (trust me on that).

You can move this to gaming and fvcking a low-interest and lonely woman (seriously no judgement from me on that), or you can roll-off and approach others. That is alpha.

Or, you can take the beta-way and hang around for her security whilst probably getting nothing.

3 options. Choose.

You are right, our time is too precious to waste it on low-investments. Gaming a girl like this would just lead to disapointment.

 

[bigneil]

I wish I had the dough for that, but even so, is it really a good idea to spend 100 on the first date?

$100 on the first date is expensive?? The average date costs $175 or so, so $100 is by definition cheap. She only gets half of it. In 2003 I took a girl for a small pepperoni pizza and beers (Pizzeria Regina in the North End of Boston) and it cost $100 for the date. I was so broke I had to borrow the $100 but that was not a lot then. Note she wrote to me a year later and said she still remembered how good that pizza was. Best in the world IMO. My date meanwhile won the WBCN River Rave Bikini Contest circa 2001. I called her "the ten".

Why would a girl want to go out with a man who can't afford $100? As Stefan Molyneux said on his recent podcast "Dating is about mating and mating is about resources. It's eggs for resources. People need to get over this". Women NEED resources if they want to raise children. It's not being a gold digger unless she leaves a guy with a boat for a guy with two boats.

If you can't afford to spend $100 on a date (drinks cost $14.99 at some nicer bars), you shouldn't be on this forum talking about women. First you get a better job, work harder, gather resources, then women will flock to you. Not only for the money, but for the fact the process makes you stronger and more interesting (after you pass the looks test, they ask what you do).

My first date last week cost about $170 (appetizers at one place and seafood dinner at another place, and yes, it was a highly rated restaurant). I only take women to awesome places, or places they request.

That said, I'm 46 and my last date will be 21 next week. (Though she thought I was 32). In that situation, of course I'm going to take her to nice places. One, I only go to nice places myself. Two, if you want to date young super models half your age: you teach them about the finer things. $100 doesn't seem like a lot to me. That's about 1% of what I am currently earning - per week. Note that I met this girl at a 4 star hotel where she worked, and our first date was meeting (in the lobby) of a 4 star hotel where I was staying, where we did a photo shoot as we walked to dinner (at one of the best rated restaurants in town). It took months to get this date and years to find a beauty like this. I'm not trying to save money on the date.

 

[Trump]

Have better things to do with my time then trolling other people

Bro when you respond to a post saying you are not trolling, 99.9% means you are.

It's like when a girl says "I don't kiss on the first date" "I'm not like other girls." "I want to take it slow." She has obviously had sex on the 1st date, she is like every other girl and most likely a slut.