Are red pill men capable of loving a woman?

[ChristopherColumbus]

You could argue that it is in men's natures to be blue pill providers. After all, the majority of men seem to want to do it and have done it for 1000's of years.
Although I don't regret swallowing the red pill maybe it is us fighting against our natures.

This red pill/ blue pill thing is useful in describing a distinction between the unthinking over-washed masses, and the few that choose to examine their own lives. But it has a limited function. Not to recognize so is to commit the 'sin of seriousness'.

The reality is that there are no clear cut divisions in human nature. We all share the same qualities to a lesser or more extent. What is significant are the qualities we happen to nurture or neglect. Hell, even elements of the masculine and feminine principles are to be found in everyone irrespective of their sex. It is not like we are different species [which it seems so at times when reading here]. We are human, all too human.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I am loathe to respond to you, but you are clearly contradicting science. And I'm merely undoing your nonsense at this point.

Men and women are completely different. Even our brains are structured and wired differently. This effects behaviour.

I said the first time that I laid eyes on one of your posts that you are here purposely to obscure and game-deny (troll), and you have not proven different. Each of your posts are merely an attempt at contradicting anything game related.

Don't go to science for your humanity. Go to the humanities.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The reality is that you aren't living in it.

Men and women are completely different, and you are completely wrong.

No, they belong to the same species [Homo Sapien is the scientific term], and are distinguished between male and female. There are distinct differences, there are also commonalities. The commonality outweighs the differences. To divide humanity into two completely different categories, where one category becomes the Other, leads to a dehumanizing ideology.

This is not anti-game.... it is just anti-ideology.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Nobody said that women aren't human. That is a straw-man you have created in another attempt to undermine game... on a game forum.

If women are human, then they aren't completely different from men. Before you said they were completely different from men. You are contradicting yourself.

Anyway, game is just something you choose to play... and then probably, with success, with a certain type of woman. It is not life. That does not somehow denigrate game. Though we would think someone had a problem [an addiction] if they could not refrain from playing, for example, a certain computer game every spare moment of their time. It is simply healthy to have multiple ways in which to interact with the world.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If women are human, then they aren't completely different from men. Before you said they were completely different from men. You are contradicting yourself.

Yes but their mental "program" is woman. From whatever era she's from her ideals and norms will more align.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Yes but their mental "program" is woman. From whatever era she's from her ideals and norms will more align.

Yes, but notice how we feel the need to 'interrogate' the word 'program'. I mean it's not like she is literally programmed like a computer, just as men aren't. To actually assume all women were somehow programmed, or wired a certain way, would be dehumanizing. It's just a generalization we make, and a way of talking, about a certain type of woman. And that is fine as long as we make this obvious distinction between a way of speaking and reality.

Even though the mass of women/ men have a herd-like mentality, we all have the potential to realize that the unexamined life is not worth living.

I think any self-aware gamer understands himself as merely acquiring a set of skills to attract a certain type of women. Just as he himself is more than a gamer, so too woman are more than what game projects onto them. Are you self-aware, or simply game-aware?

Whether or not all women are actually like game depicts they are is completely besides the point, and not something that 'game' could be qualified to answer. A gamer trying to answer these larger questions just betrays an addiction to game, or an inability to get outside it.

Game is just an instrument, or a paradigm, to interpret the world a certain way. It is not the Truth.

Which brings us back to the Red Pill -- it is not the Truth about the world, but an interpretation of the world. That does not mean it is completely arbitrary -- it may work in certain situations, and with a certain kind of women. It is at best a relative truth, not Truth, but a truth among many other truths.

This truth should be obvious to all and sundry coming here. If it is not, ask yourself - 'Have I been programmed?'

 

[Huffman]

The older I get, the less I seem able to feel love for a woman.

Struggling with this too, but the "love" I felt in high school was probably just an angsty, destructive obsession with girls whom I considered way above me. Now that we're older and in control of our relationships, there's less reason to be anxious and less drama in total.

It's a pity, as a teen those emotions were like a drug to me, but I've accepted that control and stability can make things slightly plain.

Happy to hear other opinions too.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I have this horrible image of guys going around getting laid, faking the emotions rather than risk being hurt because they dared to care for someone.
A life without joy, or emotional connections, call it love, call it connectedness, call it whatever you want seems like a life half-lived to me.

If men are strong enough to swallow the red pill then maybe they are strong enough to love without losing themselves as well.

 

[Desdinova]

I struggle with the whole "love" issue. I honestly don't think you can be head over heels for your GF and expect her to stick around. It's not because you compromise your confidence, alphaness, or any of that. It just works better if the woman is more highly emotionally invested in you because you're able to maintain your self-control all that much better. A relationship just works better when you come across as a caring authority figure than a person who is heavily infatuated and is trying to avoid compromising his authority complex.

It was a real struggle feeling a high influx of emotions for a woman and keeping myself in check. She eventually ended the relationship and left me all heartbroken and fvcked up.

The relationship I'm in now is working much better. The woman is crazy about me. I genuinely do care and love the woman, but I can't say I've got a high influx of emotion with her. It's much easier to lead when your emotions are in check and you're basically living as a single male with a groupie who follows you around everywhere. I lead, she follows, and it just works.

So yes, you can be capable of loving a woman. However, you cannot successfully maintain a relationship when your emotions are running too high. The unfortunate part is when your emotions are running that high and out of control, there is absolutely no way to fix it. You're better off just being happy with a companion you care for than being heavily infatuated with her.

 

[The Duke]

I struggle with the whole "love" issue. I honestly don't think you can be head over heels for your GF and expect her to stick around. It's not because you compromise your confidence, alphaness, or any of that. It just works better if the woman is more highly emotionally invested in you because you're able to maintain your self-control all that much better. A relationship just works better when you come across as a caring authority figure than a person who is heavily infatuated and is trying to avoid compromising his authority complex.

It was a real struggle feeling a high influx of emotions for a woman and keeping myself in check. She eventually ended the relationship and left me all heartbroken and fvcked up.

The relationship I'm in now is working much better. The woman is crazy about me. I genuinely do care and love the woman, but I can't say I've got a high influx of emotion with her. It's much easier to lead when your emotions are in check and you're basically living as a single male with a groupie who follows you around everywhere. I lead, she follows, and it just works.

So yes, you can be capable of loving a woman. However, you cannot successfully maintain a relationship when your emotions are running too high. The unfortunate part is when your emotions are running that high and out of control, there is absolutely no way to fix it. You're better off just being happy with a companion you care for than being heavily infatuated with her.

Thank you for putting this into words. I've been in that exact same spot and lost. Never again will I make that mistake.

 

[Alvafe]

I am getting sick of this "quality woman" stuff. It's the dregs of blue-pill thinking.

Know what I found out about my "quality" plate last weekend? She has had lesbian sex. That makes her bi-sexual. RED-FLAG.

She tried to lessen the severity of this (probably reading my body-language - I didn't care to speak with her about this) by telling me that she "only has only taken pleasure". She would never eat another woman out, because "she is not a lesbian".

I just accepted that one. Whatever.

Interesting however, because she has been on her best behaviour now (the "quality woman") for a few months (trying to convince me to become exclusive, and broaching marriage). Now the walls are starting to really drop.

Am I capable of 'love'? Not the type of blind ignorant 'love' of the beta-male.

I care about people, but I also know better than to pedestal anybody.

Women are just women. Get over it guys.



Groupies.



Not in my nature at all.

None of my first exclusive relationships as a naive teenager lasted more than 3-4 months. I got tired of them after that.

I thought there was something 'wrong' with me. I was a 'commitmentphobe'.

That was complete and utter bollocks.

so what you belive to be quality over time shows she is not? call it whatever you want I prefer that term just to be on a positve light and not to call her a whoring brat. don't undertand this outburst though

really never dated any girl before my 18-19, mostly? too busy studing and playng games to even care about girls my age, plus lack of money and no place to do the deed helped too

 

[zekko]

There's nothing wrong with love, or feeling love. If you don't feel any emotions you're probably dead. But men have to control their emotions, they can't be controlled by their emotions. Like Desdinova said, you shouldn't let your emotions run too hot, shouldn't let yourself be "head over heels", because that is probably a form of self delusion anyway.

You could argue that it is in men's natures to be blue pill providers. After all, the majority of men seem to want to do it and have done it for 1000's of years.

Good point. The majority of men will always have to be betas. Everybody can't be leaders. Even if every man was scratching and clawing to get into that top 10%, by definition only one out of 10 will make it.

On the other hand, there is no reason a guy has to be a chump. I've always said, even betas should be able to handle their women. But this last generation or two seems to have forgotten their masculinity, for various reasons.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

But this last generation or two seems to have forgotten their masculinity, for various reasons.

Who are they going to learn it from? Their female teachers at school (the majority) teaching a curriculum influenced by feminist thought and paradigm? Statistically most were raised by their single mom's as well. From public media, again pandering to feminist ideals, apart from wrestling but I am not sure that is a great model of masculinity. From their scout master? The only places left are conservative churches and the manosphere. Even having a dad doesn't guarantee having strong male influences in their lives.

I hate to say it but this may be one of the last bastions of independent male thought and simple subscriber numbers tell us that we are barely reaching anyone and give conflicting messages when we do.

 

[zekko]

I hate to say it but this may be one of the last bastions of independent male thought and simple subscriber numbers tell us that we are barely reaching anyone and give conflicting messages when we do.

Funny thing: This site may operate better as a modern men's forum than as a forum for getting women, which was its original intent.

 

[backbreaker]

There's nothing wrong with love, or feeling love. If you don't feel any emotions you're probably dead. But men have to control their emotions, they can't be controlled by their emotions. Like Desdinova said, you shouldn't let your emotions run too hot, shouldn't let yourself be "head over heels", because that is probably a form of self delusion anyway.


Good point. The majority of men will always have to be betas. Everybody can't be leaders. Even if every man was scratching and clawing to get into that top 10%, by definition only one out of 10 will make it.

On the other hand, there is no reason a guy has to be a chump. I've always said, even betas should be able to handle their women. But this last generation or two seems to have forgotten their masculinity, for various reasons.

If you have taken the red pill so to speak, and you come out of it hating women because of it, then i have to really question if you truly understand what the red pill is in the first place.

Why would you hate something for being exactly what they are? My dog ****s on the floor. I scold him but do I hate his guts? No because he's a ****ing dog. That's what dogs do. They **** on floors when they have to ****. He doesn't care that this is a place where people **** and watch TV and crawl on the floor and stuff like that, he has to ****, here's a hard surface, boom, **** on floor.

Saying you took the red pill, then saying that you hate women is like saying you took a dog training course on how to train your dog and understand your dog better, then at the end of it, despising your dog for ****ting on the floor when that's what he's genetically programmed to do. You didn't despise your dog when you wanted to learn more about it you just wanted him to not **** on the floor. now when dogs **** on the floor you despise them. That's akin to red pill think.


Zekko hit the nail on the head. The Red Pill has very little to do with women in the first place. Red Pill in it's simplest form is about male masculinity, finding it, accepting it , embracing it. Red pill is about seeing through the shenanigans when you see everyone on TV tripping over themselves to appease women and knowing you know what, if i don't agree with a woman or if you think a woman is an idiot, tell her. I saw a question one day on okcupid while ****ing around "which is worse, a starving child or an abused animal" and 3 of the 4 answers had equated a starving child with an abused animal. That's 100% blue pill women think ****. Really? An abused animal is probably going to eat eaten anyway lol. You'd think that's the ultimate abuse. So I can put an animal on a grill and eat it but i just can't not feed it lol? But no one at okcupid office had the spine to tell the woman who came up with the question that she was a ****ing idiot, so it gets put on the site.


Red Pill is understand that being conservative, smart, hard working, reliable are not bad, unattractive, undesirable traits for a man to have. Red Pill is understanding that just because a woman isn't attracted to these traits, doesn't mean shes right, and to not let how group think or women think effect how you live and run your life.


Red Pill is understanding that the vast majority of people, let alone women have no ****ing clue what they want, who they are or what they want to do with their lives short or long term, and to not give your heart to a woman utnil you are 100% sure she's worth someone keeping around, and don't allow yourself to be shamed by blue pill think of being a player or a anything like that because now that the woman is done ****ing off her 20's she's ready to commit and dammit you should be to.


Red Pill is being 100% okay to tell a woman to sit her ass at home while I go out and work and **** feminism. i don't have to get in a **** measuring contest with my wife about who brings home more money and dinner , breakfast and lunch for that matter lol, are always on the table when i want it.


REd Pill is about understanding your role as a man. This isn't a ****ing democracy in the backbreaker household, I run **** There are some things you have say in, but my will in my house is the law. There is no compromising lol. I mean of course there is but there is **** you compromise on and **** you don't compromise on. ****ing is something we aren't compromising on lol we're going to ****. No we don't need to "talk about" our roles in the relationship if you don't like yours, leave. Because I do know what's best, because i'm a man and that's my job. I'm genetically engineered to run this **** and you're not.

 

[inginocchiati]

The older I get, the less I seem able to feel love for a woman. I've been burning through women pretty quick. I guess you could say I'm "emotionally unavailable", almost. I don't dislike women. I don't feel hatred towards them. I just can't seem to feel "love". And I've been getting pretty cold with how I end things. Today, I just pulled this really immature type move with someone I got bored with. I slept with her once, it was good, and I hung out with her yesterday. She kept wanting shirtless pictures of me. I just got bored and started sending her pictures of morbidly obese men until she stopped texting me. It was rude and I just couldn't seem to care. And just the other day I was thinking "this chick is really pretty sweet. I think I'll get to know her better".

Could it be an unconscious fear of rejection? You feel in control, and end it before that control slips away. If you were to be vulnerable with them, and they were to reject you, it would sting.

 

[englishman]

Its something I've thought about too.

I think of it this way... Theres a video on youtube of male and female preying mantis having sex... after the Mr mantis has shot his load, the Mrs mantis turns around and starts to eat him for protein, but Mr mantis is still thrusting just as nature intended him to do.

If one day Mr mantis said phuk this Im going to shot my load and get the **** out of there.. he would be a red pill guy

Of course we aren't praying mantis's but we humans are part of nature too, and once we figured out that we are getting phuked over here, then its smart to get out while you can.

But having said that, the Mrs mantis is just doing what nature wants her to do and can't really be blamed for her behaviour.

What Mr mantis really needs is a Mrs mantis that knows the score too, in other words she's a rare one thats figured it out too.

And those mantis's are few and far between.

Sorry I've had a few beers and may be talking bollocks.