Girls who like you DO NOT make you wait..

[guru1000]

I have 100x more respect for girls who own who they are--whether that's a wh0re or a virgin waiting til marriage--than girls who put on some shtick (and a lot of the time it is a shtick since they know it works).

Do you have respect for child molesters? They also own who they are.

I have ZERO respect for whvres. You can differentiate between quality/non-quality by extrapolation of her stories. One-night stands are not LTR material for me; they are automatically disqualified from LTR and promoted to FB with honors.

 

[fastlife]

Do you have respect for child molesters? They also own who they are.

I have ZERO respect for whvres. You can differentiate between quality/non-quality by extrapolation of her stories. One-night stands are not LTR material for me; they are automatically disqualified from LTR and promoted to FB with honors.

Yeah, because comparing adults who unapologetically who partake in a natural human pleasure with other consenting adults to adults who prey on the weak and undeveloped is a totally apt analogy . Of course, I must totally respect child molesters (who, uh, AFAIK typically don't own who they are but do their misdeeds in secret and typically pose as well-intentioned member of society). My bad everyone.

OK, but ridiculous strawman aside, let's be real. Every girl, regardless of her principles or past or whatever else, will have sex with the right guy given the right circumstances. You might not be that guy and it might not be those circumstances; but I fail to see how that's a credit to her. Seems to me you're swerving dangerously close to Madonna/wh0re territory.

 

[guru1000]

Yeah, because comparing adults who unapologetically who partake in a natural human pleasure with other consenting adults to adults who prey on the weak and undeveloped is a totally apt analogy . Of course, I must totally respect child molesters (who, uh, AFAIK typically don't own who they are but do their misdeeds in secret and typically pose as well-intentioned member of society). My bad everyone.

Your absolute champ; I just pointed a contradiction via hyperbole. Qualify the statement next time.

Every girl, regardless of her principles or past or whatever else, will have sex with the right guy [on the first date] given the right circumstances. You might not be that guy and it might not be those circumstances; but I fail to see how that's a credit to her. Seems to me you're swerving dangerously close to Madonna/wh0re territory.

Ah, I see. Another absolute. Two for two? OK, when you have witnessed EVERY girl, then get back to me.

 

[guru1000]

Brad, there is no way to know via overt questions to or stories by her. But you can extrapolate:

A girl that has had one bf for 10 years, is 25 yos, and no previous relations (as demonstrated through covert convos with her peers and family) has been less likely to engage in whvrish behavior than a 30 yo who hasn't had an exclusive relations in the past 10 years, with dozens of stories of male friends.

There is no absolute of knowing, but I can extrapolate with 95%+ certainty.

 

[guru1000]

Well Brad, you are at the perfect age to scoop them up young, 18-21 yos, before a few have had a chance to be tested. At my age, that age bracket is gone.

 

[Amer1group]

In my humble opinion, I wouldn't follow any rules.

To those who advocate for sex: Too much focus on women. If you are having fun you can't "cut your loses". You are having a good time and hopefully investing on your personal projects. And of course the popular "being open to different prospects". My respects to those who are reading strictly from a pick-up website, re-read the first sentence of this reply if necessary.

To those who advocate for values and etc.: You can't "measure" me, or anyone. After my "job" (hitting on) is done the "nature" of my interest is, at most, equal to hers. I consider stepping aside for certainty to be a mistake and although my take on women is not only sex, the respective roles (including sex) must be provided to keep me interested, the same way a woman would expect from me.

It's also worth of mention that I don't want to attract every woman. If some of them need to die hard, well... We are not compatible nor a match; life's like that.

LYD I hope your family is well.

Regards.

 

[Trump]

Not all girls with high IL bang at Date Two, especially ones with higher-quality backgrounds.

What does "higher quality" mean? Educated? Rich? Private school? Non smoker?

I would proffer that higher-caliber women bang at Date Three or after. Remember, a girl's worst nightmare is the good ol' pump and dump; hence, the Anti-Slut-Defense. A good gauge as to whether she is into you is if you are sexually progressing with each date.

Further, I have little respect for the girl who spreads her legs on the first date. A girl's best bet with me is making me wait.

You would prefer if a young, good looking girl makes you wait to have sex with her? Come on bro. You are laying it on little thick here.

I could understand if the girl is not good looking. But if the girl is good looking, you have to have sex with her as soon as possible. There is no reason to connect with her. Understand her. Know her as a person. Save that for the other guy. Get what you want from her as soon as possible. Otherwise she will consider the guy a sucker.

 

[guru1000]

What does "higher quality" mean? Educated? Rich? Private school? Non smoker?

Those are extrinsics. What does high-quality mean to you? Or does intrinsic quality not exist in a person?

There is no reason to connect with her. Understand her. Know her as a person. Save that for the other guy. Get what you want from her as soon as possible. Otherwise she will consider the guy a sucker.

"Straw" means you create arguments not purported. Come again.

You would prefer if a young, good looking girl makes you wait to have sex with her? Come on bro. You are laying it on little thick here.

Always escalate for the bang, PRONTO. This is how you test. One-nighters are disqualified from LTRs.

Answer this (everyone else feel free to chime in): You meet a girl on a first date. Within the first minute of the meet, she pulls you into her car, takes off her clothes, spreads her legs, and begs you to fvck her. And you do. Is she LTR material?

 

[Trump]

Those are extrinsics. What does high-quality mean to you? Or does intrinsic quality not exist in a person?

You mentioned "higher quality backgrounds" so you should qualify it first. "Intrinsic" does not necessarily mean "quality". There is no such thing as "quality girl" to me.

"Straw" means you create arguments not purported. Come again.

You mentioned you prefer to have sex after Date Number 3. The assumption was made you wanted to get to know them as a person and understand them fully in dates 1 and 2. Maybe it was too much of an assumption.

Always escalate for the bang, PRONTO. This is how you test. One-nighters are disqualified from LTRs.

Answer this (everyone else feel free to chime in): You meet a girl on a first date. Within the first minute of the meet, she pulls you into her car, takes off her clothes, spreads her legs, and begs you to fvck her. And you do. Is she LTR material?

Possibly.

I think you are confusing the issues. Just because a girl makes you wait doesn't mean she is LTR. And because a girl has sex very fast doesn't mean she isn't. Girls flip on a dime to whatever suits them at that given moment. Whether she has sex within moments of meeting you or is a virgin has nothing to do with what type of person she is and how she will treat you in the future.

 

[guru1000]

You mentioned "higher quality backgrounds" so you should qualify it first. "Intrinsic" does not necessarily mean "quality". There is no such thing as "quality girl" to me.

Quality is not binary. You identify the level of "quality" to how closely her intrinsic characteristics match what you seek.

You mentioned you prefer to have sex after Date Number 3.

Show me where I said this.

Just because a girl makes you wait doesn't mean she is LTR.

Show me where I said this.

And because a girl has sex very fast doesn't mean she isn't

Here is the argument. So to my question of:

You meet a girl on a first date. Within the first minute of the meet, she pulls you into her car, takes off her clothes, spreads her legs, and begs you to fvck her. And you do. Is she LTR material?

You answer "possibly." It's really a binary answer, so I'll qualify the question better. If she had every other LTR quality you were looking for, but ripped your clothes off within the first minute of the first date and begged you to fvck her, is she LTR material?

 

[cola]

The fact that a woman makes you wait isn't an accurate indicator of whether or not she's a wh0re; if anything, it usually means she's more calculating and probably more experienced. Women who haven't been pumped and dumped aren't worried about whether you're going to pump and dump them; women who haven't been played won't worry that you're a player. Women who haven't been exposed to guys with a high level of game are more susceptible to game. The girls who are most concerned about being perceived as a slvt are the ones who have reason to be concerned.

I my experience, the girls who are the most adept at playing the waiting game are reformed slvts who've decided they want to 'make a change' and have a man in their sights I've met countless women who complain to me that they aren't getting any because they've met a guy who's 'marriage material' and 'don't want to mess things up' (with the clear implication that I could be the stop gap til he's paid his dues). Whose getting the short end of that stick? I see who she really is; but he's thinking he's getting more bang for buck since he's being forced to invest more. She's still a wh0re though and he's a sucker.

I have 100x more respect for girls who own who they are--whether that's a wh0re or a virgin waiting til marriage--than girls who put on some shtick (and a lot of the time it is a shtick since they know it works).

100% agree, great post

 

[Trunks]

Do you have respect for child molesters? They also own who they are.

I have ZERO respect for whvres. You can differentiate between quality/non-quality by extrapolation of her stories. One-night stands are not LTR material for me; they are automatically disqualified from LTR and promoted to FB with honors.

Why? a ONS can develop into LTR if the two people are very compatible and open to it. As long as people have sex because they want to and not to seek approval or some sort of benefit, there is no such thing as a slut or *****. Or alternatively, everyone (male or female) is a slut, some are just repressed through their beliefs or societal expectations.

 

[Trump]

Quality is not binary. You identify the level of "quality" to how closely her intrinsic characteristics match what you seek.

You mentioned "higher quality", you still haven't defined it.

You mentioned you prefer to have sex after Date Number 3.

Show me where I said this.

I would proffer that higher-caliber women bang at Date Three or after.

Just because a girl makes you wait doesn't mean she is LTR.

Show me where I said this.

One-night stands are not LTR material for me; they are automatically disqualified from LTR

Not explicitly. You said if a girl doesn't make you wait she is out for LTR. You didn't specify if she does make you wait she is in. Of course that depends on other factors.

You answer "possibly." It's really a binary answer, so I'll qualify the question better. If she had every other LTR quality you were looking for, but ripped your clothes off within the first minute of the first date and begged you to fvck her, is she LTR material?

Yes.

 

[guru1000]

I stated:

If she had every other LTR quality you were looking for, but ripped your clothes off within the first minute of the first date and begged you to fvck her, is she LTR material?

You stated, "Yes."

Let's continue the story.

So you meet this girl on the first date. Within the first minute of seeing you, she pulls you into her car, takes off your clothes, and begs you to fvck her. So you do. After two minutes of fvcking her, she begs that you fvck her in the ass. So you do. As you are railroading her, a good-looking guy, a male model, who just so happens to be your friend, walks past the car and looks in. She sees him and states, "Wow, you are hot. I would like to fvck you too. Would you like to join?" She asks if you mind, but you just want to blow your load at this point and since this is a friend and you are there just having a good time, you say to your bud, "Ya, sure. Let's double-team her." He comes into the car and starts banging her while you bang her in the azz.

Yes, very explicit, but we need to find where your threshold for LTR ends.

Now, is the above girl, assuming she met all your other LTR criteria, LTR material? If yes, I'll continue the story to find your promiscuity threshold. If not, why?

 

[Skyline]

So the premise that most of the people are coming to is...

If you aren't one of the Douchebags she has banged quickly then she disqualifies as LTR material?

 

[Trump]

I stated:

You stated, "Yes."

Let's continue the story.

So you meet this girl on the first date. Within the first minute of seeing you, she pulls you into her car, takes off your clothes, and begs you to fvck her. So you do. After two minutes of fvcking her, she begs that you fvck her in the ass. So you do. As you are railroading her, a good-looking guy, a male model, who just so happens to be your friend, walks past the car and looks in. She sees him and states, "Wow, you are hot. I would like to fvck you too. Would you like to join?" She asks if you mind, but you just want to blow your load at this point and since this is a friend and you are there just having a good time, you say to your bud, "Ya, sure. Let's double-team her." He comes into the car and starts banging her while you bang her in the azz.

Yes, very explicit, but we need to find where your threshold for LTR ends.

Now, is the above girl, assuming she met all your other LTR criteria, LTR material? If yes, I'll continue the story to find your promiscuity threshold. If not, why?

You still haven't defined what 'higher quality background' is.

You keep changing the circumstances of the question to fit your point. OK she doesn't rip your clothes off and makes you wait and sleeps with you on the fourth date and is a virgin, but she kills someone 3 years down the road and makes herself the victim. LTR material?

The point being innocence and promiscuity have nothing to do with LTR. Girls change their behaviour to whatever benefits them at the moment. How a girl acts and behaves in the future has nothing to do with how 'pure' or 'promiscuous' she is.

 

[guru1000]

You still haven't defined what 'higher quality background' is.

This thread deals with the speed at which you bang a girl is determinate of whether or not you keep her. Cola qualified the argument to FBs. And within the context of FBs I don't entirely disagree, though, even as a FB, I pointed out it does not matter if you bvng her on the first or third+ date. It's irrelevant, as not EVERY (although many) girl(s) will bang you within two dates.

You and I brought this discussion into LTRs. You ask an incidental question as to what "Quality" means. I answered you:

Quality is not binary. You identify the level of "quality" to how closely her intrinsic characteristics match what you seek.

To add: Quality is entirely subjective. Ergo how you understand quality may differ from my definition. I define "quality" as the degree to which a woman can refrain from her lower inclinations to remain true to her higher aspirations. I know, I know, the thought that a woman can make a decision boggles you.

Now, let's stick to the subject matter:

[P]romiscuity have nothing to do with LTR.

Totally unrelated? Ok, I answered your "quality" question above (for the second time), now answer mine:

I'll repeat the question:

So you meet this girl on the first date. Within the first minute of seeing you, she pulls you into her car, takes off your clothes, and begs you to fvck her. So you do. After two minutes of fvcking her, she begs that you fvck her in the ass. So you do. As you are railroading her, a good-looking guy, a male model, who just so happens to be your friend, walks past the car and looks in. She sees him and states, "Wow, you are hot. I would like to fvck you too. Would you like to join?" She asks if you mind, but you just want to blow your load at this point and since this is a friend and you are there just having a good time, you say to your bud, "Ya, sure. Let's double-team her." He comes into the car and starts banging her while you bang her in the azz.

Assuming she met all your other LTR criteria, is she LTR material (to you)?

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Guru, why bother? Most men in the younger generation today have no LTR standards and are entirely unaware that quality exists in anyone including themselves. To proclaim to a man to have standards and vet their women for LTRs by any means they feel appropriate appears as an alien language from the 9th dimension.

This dates back to the older SoSuave days, where you and Jophil used to have it out with Rollo and Str8up about "quality" and "whorres." Do you remember those days? Just circular arguments with no conclusions. The manosphere has entered the psyche of many of the RedPillers, to indoctrinate that all women are the same, so vetting, especially on the basis of promiscuity, is a waste of time.

 

[ThePasses]

As far as Cola's thread starter...Based on my experiences, he's right. You rarely have to hang out more than twice or go on more than two dates to get physical with a girl that is into you. I haven't had any woman that I had above average vibes with hold out on me unless things got hot and heavy on that very first night and that was usually because of weird circumstances/reasons and not always JUST unfamiliarity (I wouldn't kiss them, no condoms, they had company over, et cetera).

This thread has turned into: Would you want to get serious/exclusive with a woman that you f***ed on the first night?...I usually only go for the ass ASAP if that is all I want the girl for. The longer it takes, the quicker I lose interest. If I think we have some kind of potential (I've only come across this less than a handful of times), I put intercourse off for a bit until I get to know her enough to establish whether my hopes are legit or if they're just another female. Now if I ended up having sex with one of these relationship category woman, would I think less of them? I doubt it because if it was so bad, in theory, then why did I do it?

 

[fastlife]

Now, is the above girl, assuming she met all your other LTR criteria, LTR material? If yes, I'll continue the story to find your promiscuity threshold. If not, why?

OK, I'll bite. Let's define, first, what makes a woman suitable for an LTR: A woman is suitable for an LTR to the extent that she willingly submits to your frame.

Would anybody like to take exception to my definition? OK, let's go on. Obviously, according to my definition (which, if anyone disagrees with, feel free to tell me), the girl in your scenario is obviously running the frame--she's taking on the masculine role and extreme promiscuity, of course, negatively correlates with a girl's ability to submit to a man's frame for any significant length of time in the first place.

But I have two far more plausible scenarios and you can tell me, @guru1000, which of these two women will best fit my definition above?

Scenario 1: Girl is 20. She had a long term bf she lost her virginity to in high school and really thought she'd marry--but, predictably, that wasn't the case and they broke up midway through her first semester of college. She took some time off dating to mourn the break up. Later her freshman year she had several short term relationship-esque flings with guys at her school because, you know, she's a hot girl in college and the whole LTR thing didn't work out. But the guys at her college are immature and, if they're not sh1t tanked, only have the balls to like her pics and send her FB messages. So here she is--hasn't had sex in half a year, maybe more.

She meets @guru1000 when she's in town--she's never met a guy whose known how to make her feel like a woman, it's something new; and he's oh so interesting--and he invites her to ride in her car and she's never ridden in a car like that. She knows that realistically she probably doesn't have a chance to tie him down--the hostess and waitress at dinner were overly attentive and she thought she heard his phone buzz several times, but he didn't check it. If she doesn't sleep with him tonight, she might not get another chance--and she never meets guys like that and, well, it might be a looooooong time until she meets someone like that again and he just is so sure of himself and.....

Scenario 2: Girl is 27. All of her friends are getting married. But relationships haven't worked out for her--she's met guys like @guru1000, but she slept with them early and for some reason they never called her back. However, her parents were very religious and she only ever did that sort of thing in private and none of her friends/family/social circle knows anything about that. But now she feels a little guilty and she doesn't want that to happen again--and, well, she woke up one morning to find the slightest wrinkles at the corner of her eyes and lately the slightest bulge in her stomach where it used to be effortlessly flat. Of course, she could always hide that past entirely. She's a good girl, of course.

Now she meets @guru1000 and agrees to a date--and while she'd really like to sleep with him she's been there before and she sees his car and calculates that he might be an awesome provider. @guru1000 escalates hard, but she's 'not that type of girl.' He tries again, but again she defects. She's thrilled when she gets a call back for a second date, but she has to play her cards right....

Real Talk: Really all your replies in this thread are a little baffling to me. Less than a year ago, your posts were exemplary and incredibly useful because you preached the utility of your mindset to shape (and even overcome) any reality external to yourself. And now you're trying to lead guys on unicorn hunts lol. But read your posts from October 2015 and your posts now and tell me, if you were looking to find balance and happiness in your life and seeking an original line of thinking that departs from a traditional narrative that you've seen for yourself doesn't work (and not some weird Madonna/*****, unicorn sh1t that 90% of guys subscribe to and which women use to manipulate men consistently when they sense they can), which @guru1000 would you choose to take advice from?