Girls who like you DO NOT make you wait..

[cola]

No major discourse here. Just had a conversation with a friend and we both agree
Girls who like you DO NOT make you wait.
If she percieves you as a high value catch she is not going to risk another girl bedding you before she does. As they know sex is the resource most likely to keep you around.

If you are only after sex and do not recieve it by the end of date 2 you are better off cutting your losses and moving on. She is playing some type of game or spinning plates herself.

That is all.

 

[guru1000]

Not all girls with high IL bang at Date Two, especially ones with higher-quality backgrounds. I would proffer that higher-caliber women bang at Date Three or after. Remember, a girl's worst nightmare is the good ol' pump and dump; hence, the Anti-Slut-Defense. A good gauge as to whether she is into you is if you are sexually progressing with each date.

Further, I have little respect for the girl who spreads her legs on the first date. A girl's best bet with me is making me wait.

 

[cola]

Not all girls with high IL bang at Date Two, especially ones with higher-quality backgrounds. I would proffer that higher-caliber women bang at Date Three or after. Remember, a girl's worst nightmare is the good ol' pump and dump; hence, the Anti-Slut-Defense. A good gauge as to whether she is into you is if you are sexually progressing with each date.

Further, I have little respect for the girl who spreads her legs on the first date. A girl's best bet with me is making me wait.

I disagree. If logistics are right a girl who would bang you on date 3 would most likely go on two. Its only a matter of isolating.

Furthermore why do you have little respect for women who spread on date 1? Only way this makes sense to me is if you are in search of some sort of long term companion, or if you are one of those "like a challenge" guys. For me the quickest way to turn me off is tell me no. Each no I get, a little more irritated I become with you.

I have never had a woman who was very smitten with me make me wait three full dates for sex.

 

[guru1000]

Furthermore why do you have little respect for women who spread on date 1?

She's a wh0re just like 90% of the women I date.

For me the quickest way to turn me off is tell me no. Each no I get, a little more irritated I become with you.

This is not to be confused with disinterest or disrespect. But if the IL and deference is there, I love fvcking resistance. Makes the victory much sweeter.

I have never had a woman who was very smitten with me make me wait three full dates for sex.

Date more women. You'll get some.

 

[cola]

She's a wh0re just like 90% of the women I date.

This is not to be confused with disinterest or disrespect. But if the IL and deference is there, I love fvcking resistance. Makes the victory much sweeter.

To each their own. I respect you as a poster but here we deviate. Im 27 years old, having consentual sex with 25+ year old women,
Not 16 year olds. I say this to say I need my women enthused at the idea of sex with me. Not apprehensive. At this age LMR should be very minimal, IMHO. After all i'm not banging girls who are virgins or even have only had one partner.
At 25+ the average woman has probably had 10+ partners. Even though if you asked she'd lie and say some number under five, im sure.

Work is challenging, Gym is challenging, Family is challenging.. I don't enjoy challenging women.
Vagina isn't some prize to be won that you should have to grin and bear to recieve the spoils, as a man its my birthright.

 

[Trunks]

I agree, this is generally a good rule of thumb. Important exceptions are very religious/conservative women, virgins, and women who are on a serious mission to get married. But the way I see it, if they are among those exceptions, they won't lose interest by you trying to bang them on the first or second date, they will just tell you to slow down and explain their position.

 

[guru1000]

Work is challenging, Gym is challenging, Family is challenging.. I don't enjoy challenging women.
Vagina isn't some prize to be won that you should have to grin and bear to recieve the spoils, as a man its my birthright.

Important to identify what type of "challenge" we are describing. If the girl creates difficulty, drama, or uneasiness, then absolutely, as I always preach, NEXT her.

You should always go for the bang. BUT, if the girl is sexually escalating but not at the fast pace as you desire, then keep on at it. Not ALL girls with high IL give it up at Date Two. That's the bottom line.

 

[Julian]

the key is to have your game locktight where a 3rd date type of chick will let you hit on the first. Thats called being alpha DJ. you achieve this by priming her up before the eventuality occurs. when it comes down it you can just be blunt like "baby you and me are here right now together alone for a reason, we are both adults here so lets do what we both know we want.."

boom head shot

 

[LiveYourDream]

If you are only after sex and do not recieve it by the end of date 2 you are better off cutting your losses and moving on

I think your disclaimer, "if you are only after sex," is an important distinction.

While perhaps uncommon, there are still some high quality women who may be *massively* attracted to a man on many levels, and even so, will CHOOSE to maintain her self control over intense sexual desire, until she knows a man better. Her choosing to wait is a reflection of her values, of her respecting herself, and her not taking lightly, the sharing of her body with a man.

She may think you are amazing, be an incredibly sexual woman and super turned on by you and STILL CHOOSE not sleep with you, until she knows you better and she has greater certainty that your interest in her is beyond just sex.

High quality women (especially those seeking a high quality LTR) don't operate from fear of losing men, especially those who usually pump and dump.

 

[cola]

I think your disclaimer, "if you are only after sex," is an important distinction.

While perhaps uncommon, there are still some high quality women who may be *massively* attracted to a man on many levels, and even so, will CHOOSE to maintain her self control over intense sexual desire, until she knows a man better. Her choosing to wait is a reflection of her values, of her respecting herself, and her not taking lightly, the sharing of her body with a man.

Never understood this. I'm capable, although I wouldnt, of lying straight to your face, telling you all the things you want to hear and still pumping and dumping you. So you may as well get sex out the way early and see if im still around, if you ever intend to have sex with me at all.

She may think you are amazing, be an incredibly sexual woman and super turned on by you and STILL CHOOSE not sleep with you, until she knows you better and she has greater certainty that your interest in her is beyond just sex.
All mens interest starts as sex. If we were after companionship it'd be easier to adopt a dog.
High quality women (especially those seeking a high quality LTR) don't operate from fear of losing men, especially those who usually pump and dump.
Hope all is well with your family, good to see you posting again.

 

[Von]

I believe a girl who gives herself the first night doesn't expect the LTR to be long or she's simply in touch with her sexuality.

Some one night stand turns into LTR that works.

1 date or 2 - 3 date before the lay, doesn't make your relationship with the girl better.... but it speaks about her and that fear of pump and dump

 

[BeTheChange]

Dumbest thread on this site...stop trying turn this into mathematics

 

[CMNILS87]

I think your disclaimer, "if you are only after sex," is an important distinction.

While perhaps uncommon, there are still some high quality women who may be *massively* attracted to a man on many levels, and even so, will CHOOSE to maintain her self control over intense sexual desire, until she knows a man better. Her choosing to wait is a reflection of her values, of her respecting herself, and her not taking lightly, the sharing of her body with a man.

She may think you are amazing, be an incredibly sexual woman and super turned on by you and STILL CHOOSE not sleep with you, until she knows you better and she has greater certainty that your interest in her is beyond just sex.

High quality women (especially those seeking a high quality LTR) don't operate from fear of losing men, especially those who usually pump and dump.

Great take. I have a plate that's a sex hound that was talking about sex first date. The other gal I'm seeing is 24, not much past relationship experience. Perfect for molding. Haven't kissed her yet, light kino, and taking my time. 3rd date this weekend. She tells me her whole week schedule and to let her know when I'm free and can hang out. I think game has to be curtailed to each individual based on certain circumstances. First girl sexual, 2nd girl was taken aback by sexy flirting first date.

Doesn't matter how good your game is, if she values her body and knows her boundaries, you could be the Brad Pitt of all DJ's and you're not getting into those pants until she fully comfortable. My sisters 27, Catholic, still a virgin, hasn't strayed, I believe her. There are unicorns out there

 

[cola]

Dumbest thread on this site...stop trying turn this into mathematics

What I did was the opposite of making it mathematics.. think it simplified it really.
But if you say so, sir.

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

I think this is a good thread and needs to be read by everyone who is struggling in this game.

I can honestly say that in the past 5 years out of 100's of chicks I've smashed in the time period, 90% were on a first or second date. If you have to wait more then two dates then your probably not going to get it. I can only remember a few times in the past 5 years that it took 3 dates. I also have a 3 date rule I abide by and if I don't get it by date 3 then I just cut my losses.

 

[ubercat]

Cosign. Maybe date 4 if u messed up handling the lmr on D3 and she's still coming to your place.

 

[cola]

I think this is a good thread and needs to be read by everyone who is struggling in this game.

I can honestly say that in the past 5 years out of 100's of chicks I've smashed in the time period, 90% were on a first or second date. If you have to wait more then two dates then your probably not going to get it. I can only remember a few times in the past 5 years that it took 3 dates. I also have a 3 date rule I abide by and if I don't get it by date 3 then I just cut my losses.

What I did was the opposite of making it mathematics.. think it simplified it really.
But if you say so, sir.

I've not slept with hundreds, but I have lost count of the number of women and my friend who's possibly slept with as many or more agree. Initial date icebreaking/establishing value/heavy kino, 2nd date lay. At this point in my life I seldom(read as never) meet a girl worth more effort than this.

So you can easily establish this dynamic, here is a system to go by.

• First date: Enjoying some type of entertainment. Heavy Kino/Establishing Value
• Second date: Im a little tired from work, but id like to see you. Lets do dinner at my place. My address is xxxx.

 

[raider87]

First date: kiss
Second date: bang
Good, simple rules to live by. Especially for myself because I used to rush and try and get the lay on the first date all the time. Best to let some sexual tension build.

 

[Slash Dolo]

Many girls fear that after sex, a man will stop giving them attention. These girls are wise. They will wait until the 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th (or more) date to give themselves up. You shouldn't necessarily focus when you get laid, but if you're progressing to getting laid. If there's a standstill or a lul, cut it off. However I've had many interested and fully invested women want to wait; and that's fine. It's up to you to decide how much investment you want to put in to get there, though.

 

[fastlife]

She's a wh0re just like 90% of the women I date.

The fact that a woman makes you wait isn't an accurate indicator of whether or not she's a wh0re; if anything, it usually means she's more calculating and probably more experienced. Women who haven't been pumped and dumped aren't worried about whether you're going to pump and dump them; women who haven't been played won't worry that you're a player. Women who haven't been exposed to guys with a high level of game are more susceptible to game. The girls who are most concerned about being perceived as a slvt are the ones who have reason to be concerned.

I my experience, the girls who are the most adept at playing the waiting game are reformed slvts who've decided they want to 'make a change' and have a man in their sights I've met countless women who complain to me that they aren't getting any because they've met a guy who's 'marriage material' and 'don't want to mess things up' (with the clear implication that I could be the stop gap til he's paid his dues). Whose getting the short end of that stick? I see who she really is; but he's thinking he's getting more bang for buck since he's being forced to invest more. She's still a wh0re though and he's a sucker.

I have 100x more respect for girls who own who they are--whether that's a wh0re or a virgin waiting til marriage--than girls who put on some shtick (and a lot of the time it is a shtick since they know it works).