A Long Time Out of the Game and I Don't Like What I'm Seeing

[Tenacity]

Tenacity, I think you might just have just nailed a weakness in your game.

Think about if you met a woman on the first date, and within the first few minutes of meeting you, she asks to come into your car, opens her legs, and begs you to fvck her. Wouldn't you think something is wrong with this woman?

It depends, if she were a hooker or a known hoe, then I would think she's just trying to make some money. If I'm a National, State, or Local celebrity that just got done performing, then I would think she's just a groupie.

But normally, yes, I would think something was strange but the only time this has happened to me was with hookers trying to make a dollar lol.

The reverse applies to men seeking relationships. When a man is vying to see a girl for the sole purpose of locking her down to exclusive relations, the woman thinks (although unconsciously) that something is wrong with this guy!

Science supports this point. While a woman produces one egg per month, and can be impregnated only once every 9 months, a man in the same nine months could impregnate countless women. Ergo, it's the woman's job to trap the man into exclusivity in those 9 months and thereafter to tend to her offspring, and not impregnate potentially hundreds of other women. It's not your job to chase exclusivity; it's hers.

Strong point Guru.

In a month, men can produce billions of sperm, but women only one egg. Men seek to dominate many; women seek to stabilize one.

Here is why following the breakup of an exclusive relationship, if a man were to initiate contact, it is unnatural and exemplifies weakness.

Urgh, I mean I understand that you guys are making a biological point like T.O. was discussing earlier in relation to biology........but from my experience (again, this is just my experience) CULTURE TRUMPS BIOLOGY.

What do I mean?

If women were still choosing men based on biology....then broke men, weak men, and gay men would not be able to get laid. If women were still operating personally from historical biological standpoints, then women (even with Feminism) would STILL be opting to be a housewife and live under the "protection" of a strong male with a number of resources.

That's biology....and unfortunately that's not the way the market is working today, especially over here in the black community. Over in Black America, you don't even need a job, your own place, and you can be over 40 living with your mother. If you SAY what a chick wants to hear (which is basically confirming her new female independent role) you can fvck her. Many of these women want to be in CONTROL of their man, not submit to him, which goes against all traditional biological studies done on mating between the male and female species.

If your framework is biology, it says be the physically strongest male with the most resources, and you will get the most women.

If your framework is culture, it says be the smoothest talker, "fit into the cultural dynamics", and be a good bedroom sexer.

Unfortunately, most women of today's market operate based on culture rather than traditional biological frameworks. Culture determines the type of "personality" that's Alpha and the type of "personality" that's Beta.

 

[guru1000]

If your framework is biology, it says be the physically strongest male with the most resources, and you will get the most women.

If your framework is culture, it says be the smoothest talker, "fit into the cultural dynamics", and be a good bedroom sexer.
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Beta from an Alpha works. Beta from a beta does not work. Hence, when an Alpha says "Hny, I miss you," she melts. When a Beta says, "hny, I miss you," she drys up like a raisin.

The smooth talker who uses beta throws and gets laid is a natural alpha. Thus, he can say almost anything as long as he is not disrespecting her. Have Erkyl step up to the plate with, "Hny, I miss you," and see how far that gets him, lol.

Doesn't change the premise that alphas don't chase exclusivity. It could be beta-gamed to mollify her ASD or pump-and-dump schematic, but it's not an alpha's natural inclination--and she inherently knows that.

 

[Dingo]

A potential strategy for older guys (55+):

Find a woman 45+ years old. She may not be as brainwashed by feminism as a younger woman. One who was in a long term marriage and has a number less than 10. 5 or less would be better, but good luck finding that...

One who wasn't the cool hot chick. An average decent looking girl. Both parents stayed married. A decent religious upbringing (I'm not religious myself but it can help instill good values and morality). One who recognizes that men and women are not equal. One who appreciates a strong man.

And this is a must: you have to be the most alpha man she's even been with. And you have to fvck her like she's never been fvcked before.

Again, a potential working strategy for older guys.

-Augustus-

This....

I don't know how you young guys are surviving this f'd up dating world....

 

[Steady Eddie]

We're forgetting that facebook and snapchat can only enhance a woman's opinion of herself. It won't pay her rent or her student debt. Mom and Dad will fund her lifestyle for only so long.
Then she either has to make do with less or find herself a mate who will maintain her.

I think the problem with the men on here is they want top shelf women but don't want to facilitate her hypergamy.
Why not lower your standards and pick up a less desirable girl who won't come with that baggage and will make you happier to some degree.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The dating scene is terrible. Seen a ratchet chick who was a HB4 with no body, no personality and smelled like garlic talking about how she was picky

 

[Julian]

Anyone LOL @ women using pics with snapchat filters for profile pics...fkin treachery ! this is like makeup on the nextlevel

 

[Bingo-Player]

I was 15 years in a LTR with kids but 5 years ago it ended. I thought I'd got my sh!t together, caught up on dating, manosphere, got going on social media etc and I don't like what I see.

Women are all on fvcking Facebook with their noses in smart phones the whole time. They all seem entitled to text who they want, when they want. There's orbiters sniffing around every corner and while it's easy to get commitment and infatuation from them initially, it's not long before their emotional demands exceed what they actually deserve. They know they can get attention elsewhere easily, sat on the sh1tter if they want and you loose. You're being brainwashed the whole time that it's normal and if you don't agree, you're jealous and controlling. If that's how they perceive you, they'll just do it behind your back anyway.

The truth is, these broads have no loyalty and can't be trusted. They bring nothing to the fvcking table and yet they're 'entitled' to everything. The first indication they've lost interest is withdrawing sex and you know you have to end it.

The advice here is play them at their own game, but that's creating the problem. It's enabling them to behave like this. For every bird you're enabling, some fvcker else is enabling yours. That is, no one is healthy and committed and we're all jumping from one rancid encounter to another.

it's a worldwide epidemic men everywhere are suffering the same problems no matter where they are in their lifes

you have to be devious , cold and unforgiving to get anywhere in the current dating market and that is no word of a lie

currently I would not even considering investing emotions into any woman it is a very dangerous game to play

try to keep multiple women on the books use them for sex and comfort when you need it and then go back about your business as normal when you are done

I find its the only way to succeed in the current marketplace

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Beta from an Alpha works. Beta from a beta does not work. Hence, when an Alpha says "Hny, I miss you," she melts. When a Beta says, "hny, I miss you," she drys up like a raisin.

The smooth talker who uses beta throws and gets laid is a natural alpha. Thus, he can say almost anything as long as he is not disrespecting her. Have Erkyl step up to the plate with, "Hny, I miss you," and see how far that gets him, lol.

Doesn't change the premise that alphas don't chase exclusivity. It could be beta-gamed to mollify her ASD or pump-and-dump schematic, but it's not an alpha's natural inclination--and she inherently knows that.

Another post that contains absolute truth. The challenge is for a beta to figure out a way to establish an alpha frame and then work his natural beta into the mix. The problem is that women can smell true A/B like a dog can smell fear. An alpha can fake beta when he needs to - the reverse is almost impossible. And yes, they do dry up like a raisin in the presence of a needy man. Absolute truth.
Not sure if there is a solution. You can build on yourself and do improvement and believe that you are increasing or creating your own alpha, but that only goes so far. Women will see down to the core of your DNA very, very quickly.

 

[Tenacity]

Beta from an Alpha works. Beta from a beta does not work. Hence, when an Alpha says "Hny, I miss you," she melts. When a Beta says, "hny, I miss you," she drys up like a raisin.

Another post that contains absolute truth. The challenge is for a beta to figure out a way to establish an alpha frame and then work his natural beta into the mix. The problem is that women can smell true A/B like a dog can smell fear. An alpha can fake beta when he needs to - the reverse is almost impossible. .

Here you guys go with the Sosuave cartoon characters again. Nobody is an Alpha Male and nobody is a Beta Male. NOBODY. What you have are human beings with various different levels of natural traits that are seen as attractive and traits that are seen as unattractive, all we can do is try to maintain/grow what makes us attractive and work on eliminating what doesn't.

Alpha is a cartoon character created that displays some "guy" who is very confident, takes charge, is a leader, and all of the like. Whereas the Beta is some guy who lacks confidence, plays the supportive role rather than the leadership one, and displays some sort of weakness/vulnerability. We are ALL Alpha and Beta in certain conditions. To try to put a guy in either category exclusively is not a proper classification.

Women are attracted to a guy's looks and personality in general......but which INDIVIDUAL woman "flows" with your looks and personality will depend upon your culture as well as current state of the individual woman.

For example.........A tattooed up, drugged up, grunge rock guy with both his looks and personality together, will attract women from that particular "culture" (mostly white). He's going to have a damn near impossible time attracting black women from the inner city, even though he fits the Sosuave cartoon character "Alpha Male" definition.

 

[Tenacity]

I think the problem with the men on here is they want top shelf women but don't want to facilitate her hypergamy.
Why not lower your standards and pick up a less desirable girl who won't come with that baggage and will make you happier to some degree.

You touch on an excellent point because the Sosuave cartoon character world says that:

- Looks don't matter, only your game/personality does

- Finances don't matter, only your game/personality does

It comes from the PUA marketing material which is founded on the same marketing paradigm that the Fitness industry is, which is that we want to market to people that they can be "successful" without fvcking WORKING for it. It takes work to fix your looks, eat right, workout, buy clothes that fit, keep yourself looking UP, etc. It takes WORK to fix your finances and have money in your pocket, a fancy car, a nice apartment, etc.

And the reality is that without having your Finances in a certain spot, it's going to be difficult to bring in many of the HB6 and up chicks. But of course, Sosuave and the cartoon character world will tell you that all you need is "game" or "NLP tactics" to get the HB6 and up. You can be fat, ugly, broke, and a complete loser....but of course if you are c0cky/funny, use a 3 second rule, kino, and (insert other bullshyt internet game material here) then you can get the HB6 and up without having any true SUBSTANCE to your life!

Even with black women and how I rant about how they screw "losers"......those losers are usually guys who do have a good amount of looks and contribute at least SOMETHING financially, even if they aren't the breadwinner. But black women are a little warped due to issues within the Black Community in general (discrimination, racism, violence, etc.).....for the vast majority of other races of HB6 women, being a loser ain't going to cut it.

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

The dating scene is terrible. Seen a ratchet chick who was a HB4 with no body, no personality and smelled like garlic talking about how she was picky

Used to work with a female who was FAT about 5'3, 260 pounds(after weight loss) ugly as sin who used to say that, she wanted and deserved a man that looked like Brad Pitt! ! I was like WTF!!

Like I said before the entitlement is getting worse and worse. The other day a chick on pof sent me a message, well if you consider "Hi" a message, lol. So when I went to check her profile page, it stated that she was Crippled and paralyzed. But she had the same demands as a female who had no disabilities. Gtfoh

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Used to work with a female who was FAT about 5'3, 260 pounds(after weight loss) ugly as sin who used to say that, she wanted and deserved a man that looked like Brad Pitt! ! I was like WTF!!

Like I said before the entitlement is getting worse and worse. The other day a chick on pof sent me a message, well if you consider "Hi" a message, lol. So when I went to check her profile page, it stated that she was Crippled and paralyzed. But she had the same demands as a female who had no disabilities. Gtfoh

It's funny but men almost always undervalue themselves while women overvalue themselves. And it's getting worse. Again, I think it's all the social media that allows orbiters that a woman would otherwise not know and they would not be in her physical social circle, but now with 14 friends in common, women will allow friending on Facebook with this stranger where he will like and compliment all of her pictures. These type of men scatter shoot their likes in hope of one of them panning out into something more. If the woman stays silent they move on. So it's a low risk way of kicking the tires.

 

[BeTheChange]

Jesus, Tenacity...you really have gone full strawman haven't you.

 

[Sho-No-Luv]

It's funny but men almost always undervalue themselves while women overvalue themselves. And it's getting worse. Again, I think it's all the social media that allows orbiters that a woman would otherwise not know and they would not be in her physical social circle, but now with 14 friends in common, women will allow friending on Facebook with this stranger where he will like and compliment all of her pictures. These type of men scatter shoot their likes in hope of one of them panning out into something more. If the woman stays silent they move on. So it's a low risk way of kicking the tires.

Yes sir! I agree quite a few men undervalue themselves but alot of it is that society puts puzzy on a pedestal along with the fact that most men don't know how to calculate true smv. Reminds me of a study done by ok-cupid. Eighty percent of men are found to be below average by the women who they surveyed. That right there in itself tells you that women automatically off the top think that their status is way above damn near every man in their near vincinity.

But, like I always say MOST women are NOT as good looking as they appear to be, they hide alot with make-up, no lie. Thats why I take about two points off when I'm trying to ascertain smv. I've seen too many without make-up and was shocked.

 

[Steady Eddie]

Another post that contains absolute truth. The challenge is for a beta to figure out a way to establish an alpha frame and then work his natural beta into the mix. The problem is that women can smell true A/B like a dog can smell fear. An alpha can fake beta when he needs to - the reverse is almost impossible. And yes, they do dry up like a raisin in the presence of a needy man. Absolute truth.
Not sure if there is a solution. You can build on yourself and do improvement and believe that you are increasing or creating your own alpha, but that only goes so far. Women will see down to the core of your DNA very, very quickly.

Another post that contains absolute truth. The challenge is for a beta to figure out a way to establish an alpha frame and then work his natural beta into the mix. The problem is that women can smell true A/B like a dog can smell fear. An alpha can fake beta when he needs to - the reverse is almost impossible. And yes, they do dry up like a raisin in the presence of a needy man. Absolute truth.
Not sure if there is a solution. You can build on yourself and do improvement and believe that you are increasing or creating your own alpha, but that only goes so far. Women will see down to the core of your DNA very, very quickly.

The bit in bold is pure gold. Every beta should be aware of this at some point in his life.
Sadly a lot don't wake up to this reality and the consequences of it.

I am a beta. I understand women see me as a beta and position themselves, to use me accordingly.
Since I'm aware of it, I often wait to see what type of beta she thinks I am.
The puppy dog beta. Totally naive with women, who will do anything to please her.
The desperate beta or any other variant of beta I am as yet unaware of.

Sufficed to say I never engage these women unless I have to. And then only in a professional capacity (mine or theirs).

 

[Poonani Maker]

The dating scene is terrible. Seen a ratchet chick who was a HB4 with no body, no personality and smelled like garlic talking about how she was picky

Yeah, just fvcked a hot little (young) blonde, but she's got 2 kids, buck teeth, mommy marks on her t!tties and belly, stank pvssy (not at all tight really either, sloopy sloppy for her petite size) to boot. She just broke up with her boyfriend. I see why, but she was totally cool. He probably didn't want all that stretchedness. Looks like he fvcked her in the as5 or had fingered her ass (somewhat stretched) a bit too.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Three points, one more than is TMK’s usual way.

-Being butt-hurt.

To all intents, a lot of responses herein (including the OP) sound very embittered and are clearly coming from a place of lack rather than abundance. Of course in a massive populations such as the human race, though we enjoy the benefit of abundant choice, that benefit is counterbalanced by a saturation of lower value individuals. A man of any worth is aiming for the top 20-30% of females, as are women aiming for the same in the male population. This is actually a very small proportion – basically only 1 in 3 or 4 individuals in a population is up for automatic selection. You go out with three friends for the night, only one of you is guaranteed to get laid, depending on the value of the individual and the group.

Equally, there will only 1 in 4 women is going to be worth your time, again depending on YOUR OWN value. The trouble with so many guys is that they're looking at every woman as the princess that she's been brought up to be. YOU are as much a part of YOUR OWN problem as she is. Understanding this only comes with experience though.

This is not a new concept; it’s actually pretty fundamental evolutionary psychology.


-Conditioning and political conflict

When we come to appreciate the human condition (and how it is politically manipulated over decades and centuries, even millennia) then we reach a kind of sympathy for these blue pill women and men, pitying them, opposed to despising them. Understand that gender war, social media, material entitlement, race war, religion, international politics (e.g. Brexit); all of these things, among others, are designed to control populations by a process of divide and conquer. It’s not women’s fault, it’s not men’s fault. The society we find ourselves in has been manipulated over a good long time.

Fortunately, there are still a great number of individuals (women) who (largely) do not participate in the blue-pill culture. It’s an individual’s responsibility to associate with other people that they can share a mutual appreciation with. To assume that everyone is going to be your best mate is frankly very naïve.


-Personal value

You can be butt-hurt and remain single; or you can get on with it and become ultimately successful. This goes for any facet of life. Beyond anything else, the number one determinant of an individual’s success is a positive mind set; or conversely failure – derived from a negative outlook on life. You can accept defeat ‘because those bytches suck’, or, you can pick yourself up, put your big boy pants on and try again. And again and again. As has been said – ADAPTATION is EVOLUTION. Quit the fckn whiny attitude.

This is the situation we find ourselves in, and the only thing we can do about it is to change our own behaviours, increase our own value, and ignore/filter individuals and behaviours that do not meet our own standards.

If you're only associating with and attracting undesirables, your first task is to take a long hard look at the man in the mirror.

 

[cola]

Here you guys go with the Sosuave cartoon characters again. Nobody is an Alpha Male and nobody is a Beta Male. NOBODY. What you have are human beings with various different levels of natural traits that are seen as attractive and traits that are seen as unattractive, all we can do is try to maintain/grow what makes us attractive and work on eliminating what doesn't.

Alpha is a cartoon character created that displays some "guy" who is very confident, takes charge, is a leader, and all of the like. Whereas the Beta is some guy who lacks confidence, plays the supportive role rather than the leadership one, and displays some sort of weakness/vulnerability. We are ALL Alpha and Beta in certain conditions. To try to put a guy in either category exclusively is not a proper classification.

Women are attracted to a guy's looks and personality in general......but which INDIVIDUAL woman "flows" with your looks and personality will depend upon your culture as well as current state of the individual woman.

For example.........A tattooed up, drugged up, grunge rock guy with both his looks and personality together, will attract women from that particular "culture" (mostly white). He's going to have a damn near impossible time attracting black women from the inner city, even though he fits the Sosuave cartoon character "Alpha Male" definition.

Hot is hot, you're hot or you're not. If you are hot to one group of women you'll be hot to some percentage of all demographics of women.
Inner city black women would swoon at a white alpha male taking interest, most white boys just assume she wouldnt be interested so they never find out. As I have a mix of friends consisting of anything from white frat boy lawyers to straight out the hood dudes and im often the bridge that connects the two I can bare witness to this. And I think just about every white girl now-a-days went through a black guy phase, even if just once to see if the myths are true.

 

[playa99]

In my age group, social media has been a game changer. I see girls who are 7's at best getting validation off many men and it leads them to believe they are of a higher value than they actually are.

Case study: Subject A, we will call her Ingrid. Ingrid and I dated when we were both in our late teens. I had her on social media and have kept her on there. She is an 8 lookswise, nice body, decent face. Aside from this, she brings quite literally jack sh!t to the table. She has limited intelligence, no career prospects, clearly entertains orbiters, has cheated on several men and posts her life on social media.

She still has a harem of men after her, regardless of her being in a relationship.

In reality, she is a low quality female. All she has is her looks. From 25 onwards it is ALL downhill for her. People like to be at the top of there social group and only a select few (the 1%.) have the audacity to break the mold time and time again.

Ingrid is at the top of her social group, it isn't a high quality social group, but she is at the top. Why would she try and move up the social ladder? There is no benefit for her. Her need to belong is met.

Social media exacerbates this as there are more opportunities for validation for females of a 5 lookswise and above. All they need to do is post a makeup riddled selfie and the compliments flow in.

We have a vast toolbox of knowledge on this site which if applied correctly, enables us to get in the top 1%. Being in the top 1% enables you to choose the pick of the litter and filter out the Ingrid's of the world.

I am working on a beast of a post about SMV, which I hope helps a lot of guys on here see the light.

 

[The Duke]

As a white male, I have no problem attracting decent looking black girls. And many times they are 10-15yrs younger than me. I can't say I have the same luck attracting white girls!