Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, Your Thoughts

[Dhoulmagus]

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This is exactly why I want to see more independent and empowered black communities. If they become empowered and self-reliant I would not have to listen to this all the time... This kind of incessant complaining and victimhood make me sick, I do not care if it is black, white, Asian, whatever. Tenacity is here providing reasonable and well argued solutions to the problem, no complaining just logic. He is talking about actual empowerment. Then you come and simply focus on the negativity and feed the victim mentality... Victim mentality is incompatible with empowerment. If you keep on with the mentality that you are helpless then how can you help yourself?
Instead of thinking about the cops and how they will victimize you, why not think about how to change that? Why not consider ways to improve the situation? Why not take steps to improve this?

Improve the situation by empowering group economics within the black community. I don't like cops at all because they are just a tool used to for white supremacy. Cops are part of the reason why the black community lacks structure and economics. You can't build a strong black community when cops are literally being used to prevent that from happening. We fight the enemy not work with them.

My friend dealed drugs in college and his apartment got robbed because of it. When the cops came they didn't dare search or have any suspicion of drugs being in that apartment. Today, he is a business analyst consultant working with Fedex. Don't you dare tell me to shut up with the victim mentality when this kid literally got a free pass for being white.

Another example! My other friend got pulled over for going 20 over the speed limit on the interstate. The cop didn't bother checking his car for drugs(I get asked every time) and let him off with a warning. He literally had like 12 lbs of weed in the car. Today, he is shift leader at a 3PL warehouse distribution center.

If these two guys were black then they would be in prison and yall would be shouting out "Personal Responsibility" to them. "Well, he shouldn't have been dealing drugs then!" "Blacks need more Personal Responsibility lmao!"

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Improve the situation by empowering group economics within the black community. I don't like cops at all because they are just a tool used to for white supremacy. Cops are part of the reason why the black community lacks structure and economics. You can't build a strong black community when cops are literally being used to prevent that from happening. We fight the enemy not work with them.

My friend dealed drugs in college and his apartment got robbed because of it. When the cops came they didn't dare search or have any suspicion of drugs being in that apartment. Today, he is a business analyst consultant working with Fedex. Don't you dare tell me to shut up with the victim mentality when this kid literally got a free pass for being white.

Another example! My other friend got pulled over for going 20 over the speed limit on the interstate. The cop didn't bother checking his car for drugs(I get asked every time) and let him off with a warning. He literally had like 12 lbs of weed in the car. Today, he is shift leader at a 3PL warehouse distribution center.

If these two guys were black then they would be in prison and yall would be shouting out "Personal Responsibility" to them. "Well, he shouldn't have been dealing drugs then!" "Blacks need more Personal Responsibility lmao!"

Two anecdotal examples neither of which affected you personally and you get to take a whack at "white supremacy" again. Tell that rubbish to the 326 whites killed by police last year. Not gonna fly pal.

I could just as easily point to the Scott Peterson conviction, then latch on to the OJ acquittal, which only took place due to the race card, and point to a system of "black privilege" by which one can, quite literally, get away with murder.

Yes, you do have a victim mentality.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Two anecdotal examples neither of which affected you personally and you get to take a whack at "white supremacy" again. Tell that rubbish to the 326 whites killed by police last year. Not gonna fly pal.

I could just as easily point to the Scott Peterson conviction, then latch on to the OJ acquittal, which only took place due to the race card, and point to a system of "black privilege" by which one can, quite literally, get away with murder.

Yes, you do have a victim mentality.

OJ got acquitted because of that racist detective or something. He was on the path towards being guilty until that scandal.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

OJ got acquitted because of that racist detective or something. He was on the path towards being guilty until that scandal.

That's exactly right. Mark Fuhrman's racism messed everything up.

But he was guilty anyway and everyone knew that. What ultimately got him off was Johnny Cochran's team and their brilliant use of the race card, which could not have got a white man off in the same case. Black privilege much?

 

[Dhoulmagus]

That's exactly right. Mark Fuhrman's racism messed everything up.

But he was guilty anyway and everyone knew that. What ultimately got him off was Johnny Cochran's team and their brilliant use of the race card, which could not have got a white man off in the same case. Black privilege much?

wouldn't have worked if it weren't for Mark Fuhrman's racism lmao

 

[BlueAlpha1]

wouldn't have worked if it weren't for Mark Fuhrman's racism lmao

You didn't answer my question. I'm glad you think it's so funny he got off though.

 

[speed dawg]

You didn't answer my question. I'm glad you think it's so funny he got off though.

Good observation. Life is funny like that. This Dhoulmagus guy would definitely be glad if all us white guys were killed somehow. He wouldn't think twice.

 

[speed dawg]

Black Americans are brainwashed in to thinking the white standard is ideal and that's what drives their lives. You convince them the black standard is better when we have an ugly rotting foundation. Like you said, we need money first which equals to power later on.

Explain to me what the black standard is. I am really interested in hearing this. All I hear is that blacks are victims in white colonization, so.....tell me what it is that black people (like you) want. Seems like you simply want blacks to own their own stuff inside the white standard, and then only do business with black people. Which by definition makes you a racist.

So....clarify this "black standard".

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Explain to me what the black standard is. I am really interested in hearing this. All I hear is that blacks are victims in white colonization, so.....tell me what it is that black people (like you) want. Seems like you simply want blacks to own their own stuff inside the white standard, and then only do business with black people. Which by definition makes you a racist.

So....clarify this "black standard".

No, like Tenacity I think blacks should do business with white people. However, black americans are not in the position to do so because they lack structure and power which makes them vulnerable for blacks to sellout to go try and be in the white society. When blacks get their **** together then they can do business with white people. Our structure is too grotesque for me to tell black americans to stay black. Our women are ****, we don't own anything, our neighborhoods suck, and etc. All this can be credited to uncle toms that wanted to "break barriers" and try and be white.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

No, like Tenacity I think blacks should do business with white people. However, black americans are not in the position to do so because they lack structure and power which makes them vulnerable for blacks to sellout to go try and be in the white society. When blacks get their **** together then they can do business with white people. Our structure is too grotesque for me to tell black americans to stay black. Our women are ****, we don't own anything, our neighborhoods suck, and etc. All this can be credited to uncle toms that wanted to "break barriers" and try and be white.

Third time: Could a white guy ever get off on a gruesome murder with the race card, or as that an example of black privilege?

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Third time: Could a white guy ever get off on a gruesome murder with the race card, or as that an example of black privilege?

God, you annoy me lol

 

[BlueAlpha1]

God, you annoy me lol

Well, at least I don't reference race in every single post like you do, even in the main forum. Everything you say ever comes back to "f white people"

 

[TheVirtualMind]

="Dhoulmagus, post: 2354475, member: 123438"All this can be credited to uncle toms that wanted to "break barriers" and try and be white.

So, "breaking barriers" makes a black person an Uncle Tom?

I've seen black males, who dress nicely, have a high level of education, a great job, and money/success get called Uncle Tom's by the lowly educated, sloppily dressed, broke (or "rich" in shoe money). Why? Does someone else's success mean they are suddenly "sell outs?" Is being successful a sign of "trying to be white?"

 

[Dhoulmagus]

So, "breaking barriers" makes a black person an Uncle Tom?

I've seen black males, who dress nicely, have a high level of education, a great job, and money/success get called Uncle Tom's by the lowly educated, sloppily dressed, broke (or "rich" in shoe money). Why? Does someone else's success mean they are suddenly "sell outs?" Is being successful a sign of "trying to be white?"

Read my earlier post and I mentioned that. These people lack are pretty much owned by whites and can't really do anything for the black community. A black administrator couldn't preach black empowerment when he works for a white company. I would get fired from my job if they found out what I really felt about white people behind closed doors. Whites only want to employ good obedient blacks that support republican policies or silent blacks. any obedient black that disobeys receives the oj treatment lol,

 

[Asmodeus]

A black administrator couldn't preach black empowerment when he works for a white company.

That is a load of bull. He can still preach black empowerment even as part of a white company. He made it to be an administrator, has abilities, knowledge, and skills. Just because he works for a white company does not automatically make him a sellout or an Uncle Tom. It does not mean he does not have knowledge to provide or that his voice in community should be silenced.

I would get fired from my job if they found out what I really felt about white people behind closed doors.

From what I see you literally blame white people for everything... You literally generalize white people, and seem to have a very notable distrust and dislike for them.

Whites only want to employ good obedient blacks

Employers only want to employ good obedient workers period... If I act up on the job I will get fired and I know this. If they so much as think I will act up I will get fired. I lost a job in the past due to them finding about my psychiatric history, juvenile record, and stint in behavioral hospitals (and this was after having a year of very good performance). There are many white people who support democrat policies.

any obedient black that disobeys receives the oj treatment

OJ treatment? Are you joking?
He was put to trial for being the prime suspect in a murder... He resisted arrest and had the police chase him down a highway for miles. AND he got off from it all scotch free.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Read my earlier post and I mentioned that. These people lack are pretty much owned by whites and can't really do anything for the black community. A black administrator couldn't preach black empowerment when he works for a white company. I would get fired from my job if they found out what I really felt about white people behind closed doors. Whites only want to employ good obedient blacks that support republican policies or silent blacks. any obedient black that disobeys receives the oj treatment lol,

This is really sinister and despicable talk. And racist.

It seems like you have a desire to be a slave owner because the moment any black man wants to leave the victimhood plantation you shame him into coming back down to your level.

And sadly, no you wouldn't get fired for being racist against white people. Well, straight white men anyway. That's the one demographic against which you can get away with anything

Where do I sign up for the OJ treatment anyway? The man sliced a woman's larynx and walked free by playing the race card. Sounds like a privilege I could never dream of.

 

[TheVirtualMind]

Read my earlier post and I mentioned that. These people lack are pretty much owned by whites and can't really do anything for the black community. A black administrator couldn't preach black empowerment when he works for a white company. I would get fired from my job if they found out what I really felt about white people behind closed doors. Whites only want to employ good obedient blacks that support republican policies or silent blacks. any obedient black that disobeys receives the oj treatment lol,

I hope you realize how racist you sound. There is a HUGE difference between preaching black empowerment vs. "I would get fired if they found out how I really felt about white people." You can preach black empowerment without turning it into "because whitey keeps us down!" Jewish people have done great things for their community. Do you always hear them talk about how Germans try to suppress them? Asian people have some very tight knit communities and world leaders in some businesses. Do you hear them spending their time talking about oppression? Italians and Irish have gone on to big things. Do you hear them talk about how "whitey tried keeping them down less than 100 years ago?"

You come off as severely close minded. Such a shame. Try realizing your world doesn't have to revolve around hatred, anger, and "oh whoa is me." What have YOU done for your community? Have you volunteered hours to help youths? Clean up a park? Mentor someone? Partner up with a business in your community? Host an event? Build neighborhood relationships?

One final question....

If you owned a company, which person would you hire?

A. Person has 4 year degree, 4 years experience in your companies field, graduated top of their class. He is a white guy that put himself through school by working. No help from parents.

B. Person graduated high school, then dropped out of college the first year. Has had 7 jobs in the past 2 years, none longer than a month. He is a black guy. Comes from a family that has money, but isn't "rich", rich.

 

[Asmodeus]

black empowerment vs. "I would get fired if they found out how I really felt about white people."

Thank you.
Empowerment and victim mentality are incompatible

I have seen people at the behavioral hospital, I have volunteered there. Many cases of depression and such have this victim mentality. Victim mentality is because a person views themselves as helpless. The victim mentality takes away ones personal power, limits their perceived resourcefulness, and leaves them feeling as if they are not in control.

The first thing they do in therapy for these cases is to try to get them out of thinking of themselves as victims... Dr. Gardner one said "Self-pity is easily the most destructive of the nonpharmaceutical narcotics; it is addictive, gives momentary pleasure and separates the victim from reality.”

Therefore, black empowerment will never happen if the victim mentality persists.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Lmao, this isn't going anywhere and y'all are just getting heated which strengthens my "good obedient blsc

Thank you.
Empowerment and victim mentality are incompatible

I have seen people at the behavioral hospital, I have volunteered there. Many cases of depression and such have this victim mentality. Victim mentality is because a person views themselves as helpless. The victim mentality takes away ones personal power, limits their perceived resourcefulness, and leaves them feeling as if they are not in control.

The first thing they do in therapy for these cases is to try to get them out of thinking of themselves as victims... Dr. Gardner one said "Self-pity is easily the most destructive of the nonpharmaceutical narcotics; it is addictive, gives momentary pleasure and separates the victim from reality.”

Therefore, black empowerment will never happen if the victim mentality persists.

White Fragility at its best. It is hard for a white man to accept his privilege in a country that was founded upon for white men(yes it is written). The victim mentality is his next line of defense when confronted with facts and actual experiences of African Americans in this country. The victim mentality dehumanizes African Americans as irrational beings and puts the 100% of their responsibility on them. This nullifies the white privilege argument to something minor or really insignificant. When people accomplish something, they always want to credit themselves rather then acknowledge all the other external factors which put their success in to place.

 

[Tenacity]

It is hard for a white man to accept his privilege in a country that was founded upon for white men(yes it is written). The victim mentality is his next line of defense when confronted with facts and actual experiences of African Americans in this country. The victim mentality dehumanizes African Americans as irrational beings and puts the 100% of their responsibility on them. This nullifies the white privilege argument to something minor or really insignificant. When people accomplish something, they always want to credit themselves rather then acknowledge all the other external factors which put their success in to place.

As you know, I do not believe we are in a massive Race War anymore, but a massive Class War. The Race War says, "You're black, fvck you, get out of here." The Class War says, "You aren't a part of my particular network, fvck you, get out of here."

The issue is that the Class War has the same result for many blacks like the Race War did, in terms of lack of resources. It's the HAVES v.s. the HAVE NOTS.

- It's the HAVES who get good policing, low crime areas, good schools, good local economic areas, access to good investment products, access to new job opportunities, no fvcked up water pipes, etc.

- It's the HAVE NOTS who don't get any of these things. And unfortunately, far too many black people are a part of this HAVE NOT pile which again, looks very similar in terms of lack of resources to the Race War, which is why most black people think we are STILL in a Race War.

Blacks, Latinos, and Mexicans aren't networked like Whites, Jews, and Asians are for the most part. Which is why Blacks, Latinos, and Mexicans are in last place, while Jews, Whites, and Asians are kicking everybody's a.ss in terms of resources.

We all know that 80% - 90% of the JOBS aren't posted on job boards, they are either created or circulated within particular "networks". So being networked is extremely important in the Class War, it's literally ALL you have in terms of building wealth and success.

This is why I continue to preach that black people need to embrace group economics. It's ALSO why I've preached that we on this forum (who sit and debate/discuss things with each other all day) need to create our OWN NETWORKS so we can throw each other jobs, new opportunities, etc., all day instead of being anonymous as if being a part of a Male Self Improvement website is something to be ashamed of.

One final question....

If you owned a company, which person would you hire?

A. Person has 4 year degree, 4 years experience in your companies field, graduated top of their class. He is a white guy that put himself through school by working. No help from parents.

B. Person graduated high school, then dropped out of college the first year. Has had 7 jobs in the past 2 years, none longer than a month. He is a black guy. Comes from a family that has money, but isn't "rich", rich.

The honest truth today is that more than likely, the person hired would be the person who was connected to the hiring manager's network, not the one who was the most COMPETENT. Maybe that person knows someone inside the company, maybe that person is a friend of the hiring manager's friend, maybe that person met the hiring manager outside of work and "just so happened" to be looking for a job right now that the hiring manager wants to fill.