Reasons for Marriage

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

None of these bonds are junk bonds - https://personal.vanguard.com/us/FixedIncomeHome

What grown man calls another grown a.ss man lollipop? Back on ignore you go, I'm damn sure not about to sit up here and debate a so called grown a.ss man who calls other grown men "lollipop".

Not the sharpest needle, heh? A lollipop is a svcker; one who gets licked repeatedly because he/she has the naivety of child. I.e., you equate "investment grade" as legit because a secondary source "said so," when it was found that Moody's, S&P, and Finch materially inflated ratings to pass junk securitized instruments into the market, which catalyzed the 2008 collapse.

Hint my little lollipop: Rating and opinions from secondary sources mean shvt. Do your own due diligence, and believe 50% of what you read from first-hand knowledge documents, such as prospectuses. Then, maybe, you will have a clue.

I play video games with my friends and MY WIFE, we are all avid fans of HALO, League of Legends and soon to be Playstation VR.

Thanks for confirming my hunch. I have another hunch. Many who run away from their challenges get gravely sick. Can you confirm that you remained healthy since your "escape"?

Yes, he did exactly that. Imagine that - instead of sticking around and being guilt-tripped or suckered into solving American society's "problems" - LiveFreeX found a solution that works for him, in a country where "resources" are more abundant. Call it ego or running away from problems or whatever you like. They are not his problems any more. Why do you care so much what he does with his life or how fragile his ego is? Do you have a vested interest in men staying in the USA?

You seem to have a vested interest in LiveFree's escape. Would it be a far stretch to assume that you are contemplating on moving, or have already moved, abroad from a first-world country?

 

[Tenacity]

Not the sharpest needle, heh?

The pot calling the kettle black.

....A lollipop is a svcker; one who gets licked repeatedly.....

I'm not even going to respond to how flat out CREEPY this sounds.

....you equate "investment grade" as legit because a secondary source "said so,"

Yes god damn it because that's what determines a bond's investment grade. A rating agency rates the investment grade of the god damn bond. If you PERSONALLY feel the rating agency is full of it, then that's YOU, don't buy the damn bonds then. But don't get up here and try to RE-DEFINE what "investment grade" and "non-investment grade" means just because it doesn't fit your personal philosophies.

....when it was found that Moody's, S&P, and Finch materially inflated ratings to pass junk securitized instruments into the market, which catalyzed the 2008 collapse.

Yeah and guess what, you still can't re-define "investment grade" and "non-investment grade" because the rating agencies fvcked up during that time period. A bond's investment grade is STILL determined by the grades provided by such agencies. Deal with it.

Hint my little lollipop....

Hey chick, stop calling me your damn lollipop.

 

[Yewki]

Somewhere between Canada and everywhere else.

Not sure what that means. You live in Canada?

What's your story again? I'm genuinely curious. You travel to 3rd world countries to find women to then try to bring back to your country or something? Or do you live in a 3rd world country?

 

[Tenacity]

Yes, he did exactly that. Imagine that - instead of sticking around and being guilt-tripped or suckered into solving American society's "problems" - LiveFreeX found a solution that works for him, in a country where "resources" are more abundant. Call it ego or running away from problems or whatever you like. They are not his problems any more. Why do you care so much what he does with his life or how fragile his ego is? Do you have a vested interest in men staying in the USA?

Legend is using typical feminist shaming tactics, which is why I believe he is really a woman underneath that profile. When a man does something that goes AGAINST the benefits of American women, the gut reaction of a feminist is to start shaming the man with taunts of how he's not a "real man".

Being a "real man" today means the following:

- Get married to some mediocre chick who probably has 1 - 2 kids already by some deadbeat.

- Get into debt up to your eyeballs and slave away at work for 60 hours a week, all to take care of your "queen" who mainly sits at home as a "stay at home wife" on Facebook while you are at work, flirting with other guys and sending nudes pics through her inbox.

- Watch as she turns from a somewhat cute 130 - 160 lb chick with long black hair, to a 250 lb chick who has sliced all of her hair off.....but you still have to accept this because a "real man" will love a fat woman.

- Watch as she nags, nags, and nags, bytches, bytches and bytches day in and day out to the point of where you can't WAIT to leave the house for work. And even then, she calls you on your lunch break to nag and bytch some more.

- Watch as the house gets filled with crap that nobody uses, nobody wears, etc., and watch as your part of the house gets regulated to some small corner somewhere.

- Then after all of that, watch after 10 years how she flat out divorces you and takes HALF.

A "real man" is a man that can "handle" all of that. Well, let me make a declaration here on Monday, April 4th, 2016....I'm NOT a real man.

 

[Yewki]

let me make a declaration here on Monday, April 4th, 2016....I'm NOT a real man.

Not to worry if you just sign this contract here releasing your soul to Satan, in exchange we will make you a real man!

Come on now, everyone's doin it!

 

[LiveFreeX]

Many who run away from their challenges get gravely sick. Can you confirm that you remained healthy since your "escape"?

You've obviously been following my posts. What is it you are a Legend of ? You and Liveyourdreams or whatever her name is must hangout on loveshack cause your posts sound strangely similar. Gaylan has a lot less activity on the forums now since the ban, I'm gonna wager a guess that you and he are in communication.... he has the exact same responses.

Spout a lot of bs quotes and have no practical experience to back it up.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Responses replete with straw, circular, irrelevant, conclusory drivel.

I have yet to hear ONE rebuttal to the argument I put forth, which is:

What motivation arises in a man that he feels the need to flee the country to evade his problems?

Since, apparently, some here have reading comprehension deficiencies, my posed question is not to be confounded with the straw-contention of getting married.

 

[Tenacity]

Responses replete with straw, circular, irrelevant, conclusory drivel.

Pot calling the kettle black once again.

I have yet to hear ONE rebuttal to the argument I put forth, which is:

What motivation arises in a man that he feels the need to flee the country to evade his problems?

For one, your question is ripe with fallacies. You propose that the man in question is running away from his problems instead of facing them "head on" because his RESPONSE to the problems aren't what you define as "the proper response". When in fact moving to a different territory, region or country might indeed BE the man facing his problems "head on" and might be the optimal solution in this situation in particular.

Your argument is like the one some of these far left black liberals make, when they ask why do middle class blacks LEAVE the damn ghetto as soon as they get two nickels to rub together, instead of "staying in the ghetto and facing their problems head on".

To me, LEAVING the ghetto is facing your problems head on because there's no FIXING the ghetto. You can't FIX a ghetto. A ghetto usually is the result of a city that was once prosperous but has now fallen down to the bottom of the barrel. The only thing that will fix that city is to bring BACK the hundreds of millions of dollars (the large corporations) that left it. Individuals nor small businesses will NOT be able to do that, thus, investing in a ghetto is basically like throwing your capital down the drain. All you can do is move out of it and take your resources with you, and invest them in a more economically secure and stable environment. Unless of course the products you sell are made specifically for urban black people (see the Koreans).

This is similar to the situation here in America when it comes to dating relations. There's no question that foreign women do not bring as many ISSUES to the table as American women do, mainly as a result of the negative effects of the feminist movement.

Since, apparently, some here have reading comprehension deficiencies, my posed question is not to be confounded with the straw-contention of getting married.

You can't pose a question full of fallacies and expect to get a concrete answer. But seeing as though you argue like a woman (most likely because you are a woman), I tend to understand why you might be lost in the discussion.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

For one, your question is ripe with fallacies. You propose that the man in question is running away from his problems instead of facing them "head on" because his RESPONSE to the problems aren't what you define as "the proper response". When in fact moving to a different territory, region or country might indeed BE the man facing his problems "head on" and might be the optimal solution in this situation in particular.

The flee-er "escaped" by his own admission. "Escaping from" and "facing toward" are diametically opposed and thus cannot be reconciled.

To me, LEAVING the ghetto is facing your problems head on because there's no FIXING the ghetto. You can't FIX a ghetto. A ghetto usually is the result of a city that was once prosperous but has now fallen down to the bottom of the barrel. The only thing that will fix that city is to bring BACK the hundreds of millions of dollars (the large corporations) that left it. Individuals nor small businesses will NOT be able to do that, thus, investing in a ghetto is basically like throwing your capital down the drain. All you can do is move out of it and take your resources with you, and invest them in a more economically secure and stable environment. Unless of course the products you sell are made specifically for urban black people (see the Koreans).

Your contention is wholly irrelevant to the subject matter as you incorrectly compare the "ghetto" to a "first-world country" (from which LiveFree admittedly fled). The two locations are entirely unrelated.

Our exchange is reminiscent of the massacre you took in your other threads. Are you sure you are ready for the fight this time champ, or will you threaten to ignore me again once you begin to feel like the chimp I make you sound like.

 

[Asmodeus]

This thread... Went from marriage, to talking about bonds/shares, and now is all ad-hominem. Not going to lie, this is kind of entertaining.


I will try to attempt to answer the: "What motivation arises in a man that he feels the need to flee the country to evade his problems?"
His problems, or the problems he faces in the place he is in? He clearly states the problems are related to the women in his environment. If the women of his country do not meet his desires and needs then is it not fair that he look to meet them elsewhere? Certainly, there are far fewer women in North America that are accepting of traditional conservative notions of relationships and gender roles due in part to feminism, the shifting gender roles in society, ect. He seems to feel more compatible with them, but of course such things require significant investments (such as travel) so even his own choice has its costs along with its possible benefits. I think 3rd world women come with their own strings attached if you ask me,... Trad-con systems of relationship dynamics most prominent in 3rd world areas certainly has women in a domestic role but forces the man strictly into the role of being the main provider so there are still expectations, this is not even mentioning trying to reconcile the culture difference, language, ect. But if that makes him happy it is his life and his prerogative

 

[Tenacity]

The flee-er "escaped" by his own admission. "Escaping from" and "facing toward" are diametically opposed and thus cannot be reconciled.

That is a logically stupid conclusion. That's like saying slaves who "escaped" out of slavery back in the day were not "facing their problems head on" by escaping. Don't try and play semantics, no matter if he used the word "escape" or the phrase "facing his problems", the result is the same.

Your contention is wholly irrelevant to the subject matter as you incorrectly compare the "ghetto" to a "first-world country" (from which LiveFree admittedly fled). The two locations are entirely unrelated.

Dude you are the worse debater in history. You cannot stay on the context nor the TOPIC at hand for 2 damn minutes before you take it into a totally different direction. Your statements are ripe with fallacies, red herrings and all types of bullshyt.

You know damn well the ghetto analogy was used to explain that leaving a territory or region might in fact BE the solution to the problem (facing your problems head on), rather than remaining within said territory or region.

Our exchange is reminiscent of the massacre you took in your other threads. champ, or will you threaten to ignore me again once you begin to feel like the chimp I make you sound like.

And here you go trying to redirect back to a totally different topic, rather than continuing to discuss the topic at hand, when I've already explained that your stances "in those other threads" made no logical fvcking sense.

Take a debate class dude (or madam)

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

That is a logically stupid conclusion. That's like saying slaves who "escaped" out of slavery back in the day were not "facing their problems head on" by escaping. Don't try and play semantics, no matter if he used the word "escape" or the phrase "facing his problems", the result is the same.

Not being clear with your words or allegations of "semantics" as you proffer demonstrates weakness in your position. There is a clear, distinct, antipodal differentiation between "escaping from" and "facing toward." Slaves escaped if they ran from their adversaries. Slaves faced their adversaries by their contributions in the abolishment of slavery. Wholly different subject matter.

Dude you are the worse debater in history. You cannot stay on the context nor the TOPIC at hand for 2 damn minutes before you take it into a totally different direction. Your statements are ripe with fallacies, red herrings and all types of bullshyt.

And here you go trying to redirect back to a totally different topic, rather than continuing to discuss the topic at hand, when I've already explained that your stances "in those other threads" made no logical fvcking sense.

Conclusory and bald. Quote what you are specifically referring to when you cry "fallacy."

You know damn well the ghetto analogy was used to explain that leaving a territory or region might in fact BE the solution to the problem (facing your problems head on), rather than remaining within said territory or region.

As stated, the ghetto analogy lends zero credence to your argument as the "ghetto" is wholly disparate from a "first-world country," the territory from which Livefree fled. Accordingly, two locations cannot be conjoined even in an analogy.

Now I can see why you were flustered in your other threads. Your rhetoric is about as strong as "LiveFree." LOL!

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

This thread... Went from marriage, to talking about bonds/shares, and now is all ad-hominem. Not going to lie, this is kind of entertaining.
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I will try to attempt to answer the: "What motivation arises in a man that he feels the need to flee the country to evade his problems?"
His problems, or the problems he faces in the place he is in? He clearly states the problems are related to the women in his environment. If the women of his country do not meet his desires and needs then is it not fair that he look to meet them elsewhere? Certainly, there are far fewer women in North America that are accepting of traditional conservative notions of relationships and gender roles due in part to feminism, the shifting gender roles in society, ect. He seems to feel more compatible with them, but of course such things require significant investments (such as travel) so even his own choice has its costs along with its possible benefits. I think 3rd world women come with their own strings attached if you ask me,... Trad-con systems of relationship dynamics most prominent in 3rd world areas certainly has women in a domestic role but forces the man strictly into the role of being the main provider so there are still expectations, this is not even mentioning trying to reconcile the culture difference, language, ect. But if that makes him happy it is his life and his prerogative

Strong rebuttal.

Two hangups with LiveFree's "escape."

1) The use of the word "escape" denotes, he is running away from. Why choose "escape" and not "broadening" or "expanding"? Could it have been a tongue-in cheek expression? Possibly, until he follows with "evading mainstream society."

2) I'm all for women with traditional values. Hell, I only date traditional women. But to change countries; to change my life; to revolve my world around finding a woman, IMO, is the epitome of weakness.

Now IF his change in location were not "escaping," nor "to find a traditional woman," then his move could have merit. His intent is the pickle.

 

[BeTheChange]

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Strong rebuttal.

Two hangups with LiveFree's "escape."

1) The use of the word "escape" denotes, he is running away from. Why choose "escape" and not "broadening" or "expanding"? Could it have been a tongue-in cheek expression? Possibly, until he follows with "evading mainstream society."

2) I'm all for women with traditional values. Hell, I only date traditional women. But to change countries; to change my life; to revolve my world around finding a woman, IMO, is the epitome of weakness.

Now IF his change in location were not "escaping," nor "to find a traditional woman," then his move could have merit. His intent is the pickle.

On most topics I agree with you but on this you are 100 per cent wrong. Some aspects of society can become untenable for any man who respects himself too much to remain in such circumstances. Everyone differs as to what their limit would be.

I don't agree with LiveFree's lifestyle but I respect him for having the balls to say "no more of this" and take action.

If the US decided to implement a 95 pc marginal tax rate for people in your income bracket would moving be a sign of weakness?

Bringing it back on topic, Canada, where LiveFree is from, is probably the most feminist country in the world. Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada practices common law marriage (live with a woman long enough and she has all the rights of someone in marriage). Now given I'd like to raise a family one day, that to me would be a risk I would not be willing to take. If I was living in Canada and had the same income growth potential I do now there is no doubt in my mind I would actively seek to move to a country with a less hostile legal system against men. There is nothing fearful about logically analysing the risks and benefits of a situation and determining whether, based on your own value judgements, it is worthwhile remaining in said situation.

Other posters in this thread have rightly pointed out that you are devolving into typical feminist shaming tactics as you cannot win this argument. Grow up.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This thread... Went from marriage, to talking about bonds/shares, and now is all ad-hominem. Not going to lie, this is kind of entertaining.
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I will try to attempt to answer the: "What motivation arises in a man that he feels the need to flee the country to evade his problems?"
His problems, or the problems he faces in the place he is in? He clearly states the problems are related to the women in his environment. If the women of his country do not meet his desires and needs then is it not fair that he look to meet them elsewhere? Certainly, there are far fewer women in North America that are accepting of traditional conservative notions of relationships and gender roles due in part to feminism, the shifting gender roles in society, ect. He seems to feel more compatible with them, but of course such things require significant investments (such as travel) so even his own choice has its costs along with its possible benefits. I think 3rd world women come with their own strings attached if you ask me,... Trad-con systems of relationship dynamics most prominent in 3rd world areas certainly has women in a domestic role but forces the man strictly into the role of being the main provider so there are still expectations, this is not even mentioning trying to reconcile the culture difference, language, ect. But if that makes him happy it is his life and his prerogative

Even if you are primarily a "provider" for one of these 3rd world babes, her raising will be such that you can expect daily cooked meals, a clean house and daily sex.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Strong rebuttal.

Two hangups with LiveFree's "escape."

1) The use of the word "escape" denotes, he is running away from. Why choose "escape" and not "broadening" or "expanding"? Could it have been a tongue-in cheek expression? Possibly, until he follows with "evading mainstream society."

2) I'm all for women with traditional values. Hell, I only date traditional women. But to change countries; to change my life; to revolve my world around finding a woman, IMO, is the epitome of weakness.

Now IF his change in location were not "escaping," nor "to find a traditional woman," then his move could have merit. His intent is the pickle.

What if your culture was ruined, and only other cultures still had the values that you would require to be happy?

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

If the US decided to implement a 95 pc marginal tax rate for people in your income bracket would moving be a sign of weakness?

"Intent" is the subject matter:

Now IF his change in location were not "escaping," nor "to find a traditional woman," then his move could have merit. His intent is the pickle.

LiveFree did not "escape" due to a higher tax rate. Accordingly, citing an example that has no correlation to the subject matter negates your contention further.

Bringing it back on topic, Canada, where LiveFree is from, is probably the most feminist country in the world. Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada practices common law marriage (live with a woman long enough and she has all the rights of someone in marriage). Now given I'd like to raise a family one day, that to me would be a risk I would not be willing to take. If I was living in Canada and had the same income growth potential I do now there is no doubt in my mind I would actively seek to move to a country with a less hostile legal system against men.

IF LiveFree lived in Canada, assuming Canada practiced common law marriage, and "escaped" to a third-world country in order not to be saddled with the subsequent "50%" separation outcome, his move would still be imprudent, as in a third-world country his income potential would likely fall greater than 50%, and thus his projected "savings" would be superseded by the lack of "financial opportunity" in his new home.

I thought you were smarter than this, ChangeBox. With logic like this, I may have to reevaluate my other position where you sided with me.

What if your culture was ruined, and only other cultures still had the values that you would require to be happy?

Here's a strong contention.

Indeed, for the most part, inhabitants' values in first-world countries are weaker than those in third-world countries. The question is why.

Necessity.

In third world countries, survival is the focus: Inhabitants have a greater value system in order to forge stronger friendly and familial connections, as "two hands are stronger than one for survival." But then, it begs the question, are their good values contrived because of this necessity for survival? What would happen if we were to take these good-willed samaritans and place them into a first-world country? Would their values remain strong over time or deflate in accordance with their “needs”?

 

[Yewki]

Two hangups with LiveFree's "escape.

Does anyone even know what @LiveFreeX's situation is? I asked earlier and he didn't respond. It seems like in every other thread he posts about how everyone is wasting their time with 1st world women.

Like, I get. Women from 3rd world countries are better. Great. Tell me why I care? If you move to a 3rd world country just to get women your priorities are totally out of whack.

 

[Tictac]

Does anyone even know what @LiveFreeX's situation is? I asked earlier and he didn't respond. It seems like in every other thread he posts about how everyone is wasting their time with 1st world women.

Like, I get. Women from 3rd world countries are better. Great. Tell me why I care? If you move to a 3rd world country just to get women your priorities are totally out of whack.

You could always import one.

If you can't handle women here, what makes anyone think they could handle them anywhere else?

 

[BeTheChange]

With logic like this, I may have to reevaluate my other position where you sided with me.

Likewise.