Reasons for Marriage

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Is this what we should teach young men today? Flee the country, to serve YOU ... and leave your fellow man behind. Sounds good in theory, right. Fuk your fellow brothers. Who really cares about everyone else getting railroaded in the bureaucratic, manipulated, senseless, monkey-ridden court systems, right?

I have a better idea. How about:

Saying "NO" to marriage.
Saying "NO" to live-in-gfs in common-law states.
Saying "NO" to the indoctrinated belief that you MUST have a wife, kids, and picket fence.

If enough men had fortitude in their balls;
If enough men were strong-willed and remained true to their core;
If enough men looked beyond themselves;

... laws will repeal. They always do, upon the will of many.

Herein is not a "Tenacity" whine. Just a caution to stop supporting men who are self-serving, and weak-willed.

 

[LiveFreeX]

What motivation arises in a man that he feels the need to flee the country to evade his problems?

Ok Legend, this is something you have ASSUMED and I guess you haven't read my other threads fully or you would know that I teach English abroad, LOVE my job and have been doing it on and off in about 5 different countries since my early twenties. I don't run to other countries FOR women but I have found my experience abroad with women far greater... as in 'OVER 9000' times better. Not only that, I advocate travel and more importantly extended trips (as in living abroad) because it expands one's mind and allows him to see things he wouldn't otherwise see from his vantage point. Travelling helps you get a different perspective on things, also yes the women are MORE compatible with men. It also introduces you to business opportunities and people you would otherwise have never been able to meet, staying where you were before.

There is absolutely 'NO' reason you need to say goodbye to marriage and if you were to do a little travelling you would be able to see that, it is religion on contact. Now, I can only imagine the person that opposes this would have a vested interest in men not doing better for themselves.

When I say 'escape' I mean, escape from the rampant bull**** that is eating our society. I am already MARRIED and happily for the last 6 years with very little in the way of sh1t tests or fights. My wife is extremely low maintenance and I brag about her a lot on the threads because I'm extremely proud of her. When my wife bends down to tie my shoes in a crowded building and all of the offended women jump up and down like monkeys, you know something is very wrong at home. When my wife tells others she gives her paycheck to me at the end of the day and they have a meltdown, something is wrong. If my wife wears a pretty dress and looks feminine because I ask her to get changed cause we are going to the club and the other Americanized Asians we are with go crazy, you know something is wrong with the local talent.

You know something is wrong with our culture when I come home and take up an old trade in what used to be a completely male dominated environment and get fired for calling a dyke 'unsettling'. So yes, I'm escaping back to my old life where I make double the money for less than half the work and none of the PC bullsh1t..

Something is wrong with women in the West because my wife's very presence offends them. She can't wait to go home because the western women treat her like dirt in her job, especially when they see a regular white guy in a junky car pick her up after work. They are pissed that I don't drive a BMW, didn't buy her a ring or have a wedding because it upsets the balance of entitlement in the west and shows men they don't have to put up with that bullsh1t anymore in order to make a HOT woman happy. My wife on the other hand is just happy to have a guy who doesn't beat the sh1t out of her and isn't involved in the mob.

I would now like you to educate me on why seeing how the rest of the world lives and experiencing it from their point of view is a bad thing.... please, I'm actually interested in why someone would choose not to do this because its not just you, apparently 99% of the people I speak to in everyday life are also vehemently opposed to doing this and would prefer going about their horrible lives, uninterrupted.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

I would now like you to educate me on why seeing how the rest of the world lives and experiencing it from their point of view is a bad thing.... please, I'm actually interested in why someone would choose not to do this because its not just you, apparently 99% of the people I speak to in everyday life are also vehemently opposed to doing this and would prefer going about their horrible lives, uninterrupted.

Simple. My world does not revolve around finding a good woman. So a permanent change in venue would need to be warranted based on how well that change serves my interest.

I repeal law, by profession. Recently, I altered case law in my state in relation to the improper recording of securitized instruments. That's ONE of the many changes I have effected. When I see an epidemic of sorts; I will fight for and effect change. "Escaping" to a country for self-serving reasons, especially for a woman, does not fall within that interest.

 

[Asmodeus]

@l_e_g_e_n_d While I understand your sentiment, to look out for the "greater good" and your pseudo-utilitarian perspective. I have to say that to expect every other individual to sacrifice their own interests for the "greater good" is not realistic. Certianly, a person can oppose marriage to make a statement (a very MGTOW notion)... However, what if that statement comes at the expense of their own happiness? Is it still worth it? What if they truly want to marry and find somebody but just feel incompatible with American women who have rejected traditional-conservative roles and who are far more entitled? What if they can find that compatibility with a woman in a different country and make it work better?
Also, one can argue that favoring women in other countries and giving them affection instead of American women is protesting in a similar way. You are rejecting Western values, rejecting western women who hold these values. Is that not a protest in and of itself?

 

[oOh Nasty]

Some women aren't worth our attention. Some places aren't worth our citizenship. For those who wish to be white-knights of something with low value, more power to you.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

@l_e_g_e_n_d While I understand your sentiment, to look out for the "greater good" and your pseudo-utilitarian perspective. I have to say that to expect every other individual to sacrifice their own interests for the "greater good" is not realistic. Certianly, a person can oppose marriage to make a statement (a very MGTOW notion)... However, what if that statement comes at the expense of their own happiness? Is it still worth it? What if they truly want to marry and find somebody but just feel incompatible with American women who have rejected traditional-conservative roles and who are far more entitled? What if they can find that compatibility with a woman in a different country and make it work better?
Also, one can argue that favoring women in other countries and giving them affection instead of American women is protesting in a similar way. You are rejecting Western values, rejecting western women who hold these values. Is that not a protest in and of itself?

1) Is that what we teach here at SoSuave. Abandon your passions, and prioritize "finding a good woman to marry" by moving to third-world countries? Is that how we forge fortitude and character in young men? Take it in the azz or move.

2. Good Asmodeus. I'm glad your actions are self-serving only. Let me know how that works out for you. I elect to barter in fair returns: I provide much, I get much. I think I'll stick with what works.

 

[LiveFreeX]

There is no way you are a man, you just read through my entire post and still you are taking away 'moving to third world countries to find a woman'. That's an A-typical shaming tactic that western women use... I advise everyone to re-read my post.

There is NO way you are a lawyer of any kind.

Is that what we teach here at SoSuave. Abandon your passions, and prioritize "finding a good woman to marry" by moving to third-world countries? Is that how we forge fortitude and character in young men? Take it in the azz or move.

The only thing that sosuave teaches is learning parlor tricks to impress ungrateful women. Why do you need to abandon your passions? No one is asking anyone to do that unless your passion is sadomasochism. Anyone that would shame 3rd world women or the pursuit of a better quality female is very obviously a western woman or a brainwashed knight. Why bother forging fortitude and good character in young men if we tell them to pursue women who will use and abuse them? And nowhere on sosuave will you find men telling other men to act like the nice guy to pickup american women because IT DOESN'T WORK. The fundamental rule in SS is to act like a jerk to get women to like you.

If American women didn't play stupid games, neither would we. That is the difference between those 3rd world girls and the ones at home, no games. Why must men change their character for virtually nothing in return?

 

[ZTIME]

I elect to barter in fair returns: I provide much, I get much. I think I'll stick with what works.

I'm confused! Does this mean it's ok to pay for pvssy??

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

I'm confused! Does this mean it's ok to pay for pvssy??

Either way you pay. So enjoy.

Why bother forging fortitude and good character in young men if we tell them to pursue women who will use and abuse them?

Men forge character and fortitude for themselves to harvest fruit in their kingdom. Your focus is still on the "woman," the same motivation which prompted your "escape."

You do realize you went from "I escaped to avoid mainstream society" =====> " I moved for job reasons and travel and just so happened to find a great girl."

It was a typo. I know. I forgive your transgression. LOL

 

[Asmodeus]

Yes, I am self-serving. I see nothing wrong with being self-interested, and I fully admit I am. Sometimes my self-interest has been beneficial for others, in fact more often than not. I do my job for money, by doing my job I am helping people. I am here in SoSuave to learn for my own personal gain, but by being here I participate and may help others. It is called ethical egoism, rational selfishness mixed with a dash of enlightened self-interest. Furthermore, I find appealing to other's self interest tends to get the best gains from people.
I do not prioritize finding any woman to marry, in fact I have no intent to marry... But that is just me. I let each other person make their own judgments on their desires. I just think that LiveFree has his reasons, and that so long he is happy with his reasons and so long as his choice is not going to cause any direct issues in my own life then I do not have any qualms with his choice. I will give my own opinion on the issue (which I gave a while back), but ultimately he knows what is best for him. SoSuave is not about teaching people to live in one specific way, it is not trying to make everyone fit the same philosophy on life. It is simply a place where people can gain perspectives and advice so that they can make their own choices better informed. In fact, one thing you will see here is the diversity of different men (and a few women it seems), who have different ideas and different philosophies on how to live their life.

 

[LiveFreeX]

You guys are really looking at the negatives here:

Marriage for citizenship - Gives you a work visa/family visa or access to a completey different market. Some countries have better benefits than others.

Marriage for culture - Gives your children access to a more masculine culture so that they have a bigger world to belong to.

Marriage for ownership of the female - You buy a dog, why can't you buy a female? Dog bites you, replace him, same with wife.

Marriage for stability - Whilst it may not be a physical thing that you can have, it does give some security knowing that no matter where you are, your wife will be there to look out for your well being in some capacity.

Marriage for children - What child doesn't want his mother and father to be married? Lets be honest now, every kid. A STRAIGHT marriage means that both parties have a vested interest in maintaining a family structure and making a concentrated effort to be more successful with their lives. What child wouldn't benefit from having BOTH of his parents in their life.

Marriage for membership to society - 99% of the world subscribes to marriage and in most cases, others will look favorably on you if you are married/children. You look like a more responsible person not to mention you are by definition a productive man. Most importantly, you are not perceived as a threat to the establishment and can conduct yourself under the radar if you so choose.

The state of marriage in a country is a good indicator of how well that country is doing economically.

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Yes, I'm not making my posts from the standpoint of the typical American marriage. For that I would advise no one get married.

If your goal is to live in America, I would not advise marriage. My goal is to escape back to the 3rd world and build a bridge between the two so that I don't have to deal with regular society in any capacity.

Come at me bro.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Ya, I'm not into the lalala everybody holds their own philosophy drivel. I'm not here to make friends or to be liked. When I see shvt, I call it shvt. And my BS meter rarely fails me.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I'm not here to make friends or to be liked.

Exactly.

When I see shvt, I call it shvt.

Brainwashed.

make friends

I take care of my own.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I'm confused! Does this mean it's ok to pay for pvssy??

You find that in many cases paying for it up front is cheaper than having a girlfriend. I hate doing the math and finding it like this. It's not always like this, because many girlfriends will just douse you in it and dont' expect much except for you to care and some attention, and they will even reach into their purse for you.

 

[Tenacity]

Is this what we should teach young men today? Flee the country, to serve YOU ... and leave your fellow man behind. Sounds good in theory, right. Fuk your fellow brothers. Who really cares about everyone else getting railroaded in the bureaucratic, manipulated, senseless, monkey-ridden court systems, right?

Now here comes the "you aren't a real American" shaming tactics. I respect our vets, but the way our country treats our "veteran brothers" is BEYOND repulsive with many of them sleeping on streets as we speak.

Newsflash Legend, our country is currently being ran on political and economic scams that do nothing but benefit those at the top, while screwing over everybody else. Even as we discuss the issues with marriage, the real issues with marriage are NOT the women, it's the Divorce Attorneys and Family Court Judges that have created laws that ENCOURAGE/ALLOW women to fvck you over as when she fvcks over her "man"....it's the Divorce Attorney, Family Law Attorney, and Family Court Judges that get paid off.

Marriage is a business, and the only ones reaping profits off of it are the Family Law professionals I mentioned.

I have a better idea. How about:

Saying "NO" to marriage.
Saying "NO" to live-in-gfs in common-law states.
Saying "NO" to the indoctrinated belief that you MUST have a wife, kids, and picket fence.

Wait a damn minute. You spent MONTHS in my "anger thread" shaming me for not wanting to go after the very things you listed, now all of a sudden you are in support of men "going their own way" and not opting into said structures?

If enough men had fortitude in their balls;
If enough men were strong-willed and remained true to their core;
If enough men looked beyond themselves;

... laws will repeal. They always do, upon the will of many.

Herein is not a "Tenacity" whine. Just a caution to stop supporting men who are self-serving, and weak-willed.

It's self-serving to move out of the country to pursue whatever goals you have, but it's NOT self-serving to remain to your core, have balls, and decide not to opt into marriage contracts? Do you see how you are SO inconsistent and make no logical sense whatsoever?

It's all self-serving and there's nothing wrong with that because we don't OWE anybody SHYT.

If a guy feels that Canada or the UK for example are better places to pursue his dreams, goals and passions, who the hell are you (or anybody else) to tell him that he's "weak-willed" for not staying somewhere (the US) that he doesn't feel aligns with the goals he's pursuing?

Also who are YOU to tell a man his goals are stupid? You wanted to know the purpose of this site, the purpose of this site is to take the resources/information and CREATE a life that YOU WANT. Not a life that society, other men, feminists, your church, your family, etc. SHAME you into having.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Nothing personal LiveFree. I had to make a point and so opened this thread up using a few pawns for counter-positions. You are more of the idea I loathe; the idea of escaping "challenge."

I find that challenges are brought upon us with enlightened purpose (if you look broad and deep enough), and by embracing, as opposed to averting, these "challenges," you transcend.

Carry on.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Nothing personal LiveFree. You are more of the idea I loathe; the idea of escaping "challenge."

Glad to be of service.

'Guys' like you are the reason I post here.

Also who are YOU to tell a man his goals are stupid? You wanted to know the purpose of this site, the purpose of this site is to take the resources/information and CREATE a life that YOU WANT. Not a life that society, other men, feminists, your church, your family, etc. SHAME you into having.

I like that definition better. Friends helping other friends find better ways of doing things. I'm offering others a life line, a safe space free of SJWs and feminazis that will take care of them, you don't have to accept it, just know its there.

 

[Asmodeus]

Using the logic that challenges help us transcend then I should advise one of my associates here to get back together with his crazy borderline ex-girlfriend. Because the crazy BPD girl is a almost objectively a challenge. One should not escape a challenge, as challenges are brought upon us with enlightened purpose to help us transcend. All men should seek to transcend. Therefore, by choosing to not be with her he is escaping a challenge, and thus he is not transcending. Now following this logic one would ultimately conclude that he should be with crazy ex because she is a challenge, and being with a challenge like her will help him transcend, which should be his ultimate goal.
But no, I will advise him to take the easy way out and delete her number.

Sometimes just taking the easy way is best, sometimes the easy way has its own rewards beyond simply just being easier. Sometimes the easy way is even the best way and gives the best results. Should one always seek to take the hard route to each destination? I am not saying that one should always take the easy way, no instead one should weigh out the choices and consequences and decide for him what is best based on their own scale of measure. He has his reasons, you have yours. LiveFree obviously feels different than Legend about his choices. All this is just a conflict in personal ideologies and ideas.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Au contraire: The challenge is in leaving the BPD, not staying. Nothing easy holds its weight in gold (and remains). This is universal and cannot be contradicted. Goes back to the idea of exchange: What you give, is what you get (and keep).

 

[Yewki]

@LiveFreeX two things,

1) Kind of seems like you have a chip on your shoulder. You and your wife both have all these issues and negative perceptions of the people in Canada. I'm in the US and I'm raising an eyebrow reading this stuff. Maybe some the your problems stem from you.

2) For the other 99%+ of us who don't travel to 3rd world countries regularly for our job, how would you recommend hooking up with girls from there? Vacations to 3rd world countries? How easy is it to bring one back? Then again, according to you that might result in getting ridiculed and looked down upon by your home country.