The myth that nice guys always lose

[latino158]

This is a myth created by stupid PUAs who believe looks don't matter. Nice guys don't finish last, who finish last are the average/ugly and creepy/desperate men who pretend to be nice when in reality they are actually sociopaths/obsessed people. As long as a woman finds you attractive and has already PRESELECTED you, being nice will actually work in your favor, as long as is not overdone. She already wants you to be nice and generate good feelings in her.

Society and women love nice, kind, good hearted people, including men, as long as is not overdone and fake, as in when many faggots act overly nice just in hopes to get a woman to like them. There is nothing wrong with being nice to women and people. This is because is not kindness or rude behavior which attracts women.

Stupid PUAs believe that if an average guy suddenly starts acting more like a bad boy, then women will like him more than if acted nice. This is retarded. If he is not attractive, then most women will not find him attractive either way. The reality is women can tell when you are fake, so if you are not genuinely a good person, they will be able to tell that you are trying too hard.

Similarly, if you are not genuinely a bad boyp, they will be able to tell you are putting on an act to impress them.

You shouldn't change or try to be something you are not. This means that you are low value and need to cater to whatever women or society consider attractive. Women don't act like this. They don't give a **** if men are not ok with them being bitchy or overly nice. They know options are everywhere.

She is not rejecting you because you are too nice, she is rejecting you because your looks and character don't generate any sexual feelings in her. If you had acted like a bad boy from the start, it wouldn't have changed a god damn thing, if anything, you would have come off as a bitter ugly guy who hates women.

 

[stevo]

It's not a myth.

When they say nice guys, they mean weak men.

You can be polite with some back bone.

Wake up and smell the testosterone.

 

[CuddleJunkie]

You clearly don't understand the redpill, or what PUAs really say. Nobody's telling people to be rude, is not rudeness that conveys attractive.I could explain all this ****, but Rollo does a better work. Go to TheRationalMale and read TheFirstYear, on top of the webpage.
And yes, looks are not important if you are at least average, it's social hierarchy or perceived social hierarchy, and mostly the perceived one if you have to chose between one of them.

You can read the DonJuan Bible and the YaReally archive too.

 

[latino158]

It's not a myth.

When they say nice guys, they mean weak men.

You can be polite with some back bone.

Wake up and smell the testosterone.

I bet you believe anyone can become "alpha" lol

Alpha is a myth created by PUA too. Alpha is a term created to apply to wolves, the leader pack, not some stupid human. The simple fact that you HAVE to become a certain way shows that you are low value anyway. You have to adapt behaviors and characters that didn't come naturally to you, so you can be more attractive to women.

If a woman rejects you is not because you are too nice or weak, is simply she is no attracted to you.

You are not good looking enough or don't have enough value (money, status, looks) in her eyes.

Your being doesn't generate any sexual feelings in her.

The myth that being nice is a problem is nothing but a coping mechanism created by PUA to support their stupid belief that looks don't matter.

If a woman already finds you attractive, whether that is because of your looks, or a combination of everything, then simply being nice won't change a god damn thing. Most men in society with girlfriend and wives are nice good hearted people.

 

[latino158]

You clearly don't understand the redpill, or what PUAs really say. Nobody's telling people to be rude, is not rudeness that conveys attractive.I could explain all this ****, but Rollo does a better work. Go to TheRationalMale and read TheFirstYear, on top of the webpage.
And yes, looks are not important if you are at least average, it's social hierarchy or perceived social hierarchy, and mostly the perceived one if you have to chose between one of them.

You can read the DonJuan Bible and the YaReally archive too.

Looks give you social hierarchy though. lol at saying that looks are not important.

My point is that is not being too nice or overly kind what makes a woman reject you, but rather, your very being, everything that you are mentally and physically, didn't cause any sexual feelings or emotions in her. Now, you can believe that a certain behavior was the reason, or it was a mistake on your part, but this is nothing but a coping mechanism.

Of course, you would rather believe that you were rejected because of a mistake you made, rather your very being, your whole lmao

 

[CuddleJunkie]

Looks give you social hierarchy though. lol at saying that looks are not important.

My point is that is not being too nice or overly kind what makes a woman reject you, but rather, your very being, everything that you are mentally and physically, didn't cause any sexual feelings or emotions in her. Now, you can believe that a certain behavior was the reason, or it was a mistake on your part, but this is nothing but a coping mechanism.

Of course, you would rather believe that you were rejected because of a mistake you made, rather your very being, your whole lmao

And you would be right. That's what PUAs are about, how to express your real being freely, i'ts the same thing that Bruce Lee wanted to do. And is this free expression of yourself, without caring about what other may think, or if they may like it or not, that makes you an alpha. That confidence in who you are and where are you moving in your life.
Of course, then we could talk about habits that you should change, because they are a coping mechanism and not a real expression of yourself. For example, almost everyone likes going to the gym, or getting into any sport, and if they didn't do it before was for anxiety of competition, or because they thought it would make them look tryhards. That's why PUAs or sites like SoSuave that are about selfimprovement teach similar things to different guys; because we are really similar and like similar things. Teaching someone to be an alpha is just teaching him to be fully ok with whom they are.

 

[fastlife]

The simple fact that you HAVE to become a certain way shows that you are low value anyway. You have to adapt behaviors and characters that didn't come naturally to you, so you can be more attractive to women.

LOL. So you're saying that you didn't learn all of your behaviors that 'are a part of you?' Where does social conditioning come into all this? All behavior beyond the limbic system is learned--just because society/your parents didn't teach them to you doesn't make them more or less natural.

The myth that being nice is a problem is nothing but a coping mechanism created by PUA to support their stupid belief that looks don't matter.

An average guy who escalates will get more pvssy than a 10/10 male model wall flower who doesn't make moves because he 'doesn't want to be disrespectful' or risk rejection.

Most men in society with girlfriend and wives are nice good hearted people.

LOL. And you think most of these girls are faithful? I can count on one hand the number of women I know in 'monogamous' relationships who I haven't personally witnessed cross lines if not full on cheat.

BB Misc is that way>>>>>>>>

 

[latino158]

And you would be right. That's what PUAs are about, how to express your real being freely, i'ts the same thing that Bruce Lee wanted to do. And is this free expression of yourself, without caring about what other may think, or if they may like it or not, that makes you an alpha. That confidence in who you are and where are you moving in your life.
Of course, then we could talk about habits that you should change, because they are a coping mechanism and not a real expression of yourself. For example, almost everyone likes going to the gym, or getting into any sport, and if they didn't do it before was for anxiety of competition, or because they thought it would make them look tryhards. That's why PUAs or sites like SoSuave that are about selfimprovement teach similar things to different guys; because we are really similar and like similar things. Teaching someone to be an alpha is just teaching him to be fully ok with whom they are.

Women don't do any of that self-improvement crap, and if they do, is definitely not because they are desperate for guys to like them. Women don't have to change their behavior or attitude. They don't give a crap if they come across as rude or overly nice. Problem is that there is no such thing as alpha. This is a stupid term made up by PUAs to support their theories and beliefs.

The term was created to apply to the leaders of a pack, therefore, even if it applied to humans, there could only be one leader, which destroys the belief that anyone can be alpha. There cannot be a society where every idiot is alpha, it is simply not possible.

Alpha wolves are not created, they are born. They are certain innate traits and characteristics, which led them to because the leader of the pack. The timid wolf in the pack, cannot become the alpha even if he wanted, because he doesn't have what it takes.

 

[CuddleJunkie]

Listen man, we're not talking only about women. You should do self-improvement because it will make you a happier person. Months ago I was trapped into a relationship that was blocking my full potential, now I'm better than ever, I'm discovering that I have social abilities I didn't even imagined I would have, I'm discovering I have an avid curiosity for anything.
You don't like the term alpha? Ok, let's get classy, being a DonJuan is about having OPTIONS, options give you power over your life. So you don't believe learning to be a DonJuan is good to get women? Ok, you should still do it for everything else in your life.
I'm out!

 

[latino158]

LOL. So you're saying that you didn't learn all of your behaviors that 'are a part of you?' Where does social conditioning come into all this? All behavior beyond the limbic system is learned--just because society/your parents didn't teach them to you doesn't make them more or less natural.



An average guy who escalates will get more pvssy than a 10/10 male model wall flower who doesn't make moves because he 'doesn't want to be disrespectful' or risk rejection.



LOL. And you think most of these girls are faithful? I can count on one hand the number of women I know in 'monogamous' relationships who I haven't personally witnessed cross lines if not full on cheat.

BB Misc is that way>>>>>>>>

Genetics determine character, introversion, extroversion, intelligence, neurons, neurochemistry, neural connections, memory, and all the physical components in the brain which make you who you are. Not only that, it determines every physical part in your body, including your brain. You may think of behavior or personality as something ethereal and not physical, but guess what, IT IS PHYSICAL, it comes from physical components in your brain, bound by the genetic makeup.

You may have some control of what you do in this life, but you have no control of what you are as a human being.

Of course, you would choose to believe that anything is achievable since you are an average dude yourself. You can make all the moves and be an escalator all you want, it won't mean **** if she doesn't find you sexually attractive. If a girl likes you has NOTHING to do with your game or skill, and everything to do with what she finds attractive or not. You actually have no power at all, she does.

Women are not tools or a car, where you can replicate the same technique. If a girl is not sexually attracted to you, no matter what you do, she will not go for you.

Most men in society are kind and good hearted and they are doing perfectly fine.

The nice guy myth was created by PUA to support their stupid theories, mainly the one that looks don't matter.

 

[latino158]

Listen man, we're not talking only about women. You should do self-improvement because it will make you a happier person. Months ago I was trapped into a relationship that was blocking my full potential, now I'm better than ever, I'm discovering that I have social abilities I didn't even imagined I would have, I'm discovering I have an avid curiosity for anything.
You don't like the term alpha? Ok, let's get classy, being a DonJuan is about having OPTIONS, options give you power over your life. So you don't believe learning to be a DonJuan is good to get women? Ok, you should still do it for everything else in your life.
I'm out!

I'm hispanic, so that automatically makes me a don juan, since is a term madeup of the latin lover stereotype, and although, stereotypes, in many cases, are overblown, if they stick around to this day, must be because there is truth to it

The stereotype that blacks have big roosters, sure, not all of them have them, but if it sticks around? there must some validity to it

 

[stevo]

I bet you believe anyone can become "alpha" lol

If it was easy everyone would do it.

If you want to be alpha, read the forum.

If you don't believe in "alpha", don't insult the forum.

 

[Tictac]

Genetics determine character, introversion, extroversion, intelligence, neurons, neurochemistry, neural connections, memory, and all the physical components in the brain which make you who you are. Not only that, it determines every physical part in your body, including your brain. You may think of behavior or personality as something ethereal and not physical, but guess what, IT IS PHYSICAL, it comes from physical components in your brain, bound by the genetic makeup.

You may have some control of what you do in this life, but you have no control of what you are as a human being.

Of course, you would choose to believe that anything is achievable since you are an average dude yourself. You can make all the moves and be an escalator all you want, it won't mean **** if she doesn't find you sexually attractive. If a girl likes you has NOTHING to do with your game or skill, and everything to do with what she finds attractive or not. You actually have no power at all, she does.

Women are not tools or a car, where you can replicate the same technique. If a girl is not sexually attracted to you, no matter what you do, she will not go for you.

Most men in society are kind and good hearted and they are doing perfectly fine.

The nice guy myth was created by PUA to support their stupid theories, mainly the one that looks don't matter.

So accept your fate.

 

[latino158]

If it was easy everyone would do it.

If you want to be alpha, read the forum.

If you don't believe in "alpha", don't insult the forum.

You don't even know what alpha is. According to PUA, someone who is alpha, is muscular, very confident, has plenty of options, doesn't care about women, has nerves of steel, no intimidation, his juices flow of testosterone, no fear, etc.

The real kicker is that most of these are genetic lol example

Your character is absolutely genetic and cannot be changed. If you were born with a propensity to be timid, you can see improvements over the years, but you will always be biased to timidity. There is no getting around this fact. You will always be prone to inhibition more than other, no matter what you do.

If you were born to be short and have a small bone structure, guess what, you will not be alpha, no matter what you do, your very essence, goes against everything that is considered alpha in modern society. You simply got deal a **** hand in life, and you will not come off as alpha, but rather as napoleon syndrome.

If you were born with a small penis and low testosterone, guess what, you will not be alpha. The only way you could change your fate, is to use steroids and get penis lengthening surgery.

Again, courage and bravery it also has a huge genetic component. Some people are simply wired to experience more fear and anxiety than others, due to the way their brain are formed and wired. There is no getting around this. This explains how some animals are more fearful than others, despite being brought up in good homes.

This explains why some animals in the wild are more brave and courageous, less fearful than others. This explains why some humans seem to have no fear and nerves of steel while others are the complete opposite.

 

[Huffman]

Some truth to this but I fail to see the point & give a rat's ass about who's the absolute alpha in theory.

Let's just take what we have, try stuff and see what gets us ahead in life.

 

[fastlife]

@latino158 Oh, I forgot you have to rationalize all those ego-investments in being the victim. Of course, it's not your fault you can't lay chicks in Miami (a city people go to to get laid). And why you're desperate for a 6/10 gf. And why you see an escort once a month.

Not your fault. Genetics. Looks. Victim. Immigrant. No money. Victim. Poor @latino158. Maybe if you give up and just try to be a good person you'll reincarnate in your next life as me.

I have 0 interest in having my face tied to this account. I'll be glad to PM you, but you'd just rationalize that my increased success is only tied to my looks, even though my genetics haven't changed--genetics are constant; the only thing you can change is your behavior. According to your theory, all I should ever have to do is show up and there'd be nothing I could possibly do behaviorally to turn women off.

But whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[latino158]

@latino158 Oh, I forgot you have to rationalize all those ego-investments in being the victim. Of course, it's not your fault you can't lay chicks in Miami (a city people go to to get laid). And why you're desperate for a 6/10 gf. And why you see an escort once a month.

Not your fault. Genetics. Looks. Victim. Immigrant. No money. Victim. Poor @latino158. Maybe if you give up and just try to be a good person you'll reincarnate in your next life as me.

I have 0 interest in having my face tied to this account. I'll be glad to PM you, but you'd just rationalize that my increased success is only tied to my looks, even though my genetics haven't changed--genetics are constant; the only thing you can change is your behavior. According to your theory, all I should ever have to do is show up and there'd be nothing I could possibly do behaviorally to turn women off.

But whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

It sounds like someone with zero arguments who has to resort to personal attacks and red herring

chances are, you are less better looking than you think, everyone overestimates their own attractiveness, and underestimate others. Also, I never said that being good looking will guarantee anything.

I said that being too nice or kind is not the reason that a girl rejected you, but rather, she didn't find you attractive, your being didn't generate any sexual feelings or emotions in her, simple as that. You can game, become a stupid bad boy or escalate all you want, it won't mean ****, if she is not attracted to you.

 

[fastlife]

chances are, you are less better looking than you think, everyone overestimates their own attractiveness, and underestimate others. Also, I never said that being good looking will guarantee anything.

Like I said, ask for a PM. You can come back and tell everyone I'm a troll.

I said that being too nice or kind is not the reason that a girl rejected, but rather, she didn't find you attractive, your being didn't generate any sexual feeling or emotions in her, simple as that.

Because behavior doesn't influence emotions or sexual feelings at all, right?

You can game, become a stupid bad boy or escalate all you want, it won't mean ****, if she is not attracted to you.

The difference between me and you is I assume she's attracted to me. You assume she isn't attracted to you. Seems we're both right So whose happier?

 

[latino158]

Like I said, ask for a PM. You can come back and tell everyone I'm a troll.



Because behavior doesn't influence emotions or sexual feelings at all, right?



The difference between me and you is I assume she's attracted to me. You assume she isn't attracted to you. Seems we're both right So whose happier?

You can assume all you want, it doesn't change anything, she may actually not be and never be attracted to you AT ALL, but I guess you believe in that stupid positive mentality, that if you think it and believe it just enough, it will happen and materialize lmao must be a new jedi mind trick, huh?

I have no problem rating you, send me your picture and I will give you an honest rating. This has nothing to do with you, though. If you happen to be good looking or not, it is irrelevant and it doesn't prove my argument wrong. The whole point of my thread is to prove that being nice is not as bad as PUAs make it out to be and it doesn't play a role in women being attracted to you or not.

If a woman is not attracted to you from the start, whether you act like a bad boy or a nice guy, won't change anything. Women are the ones in control, they are the choosers, the jury, judge and executioners when it comes to judging a man's sexual value. You have no control. You may think you do, but you don't, you are their mercy. They are the ones who decide EVERYTHING that happens or doesn't happen from the start.

A woman already PRESELECTS you based on your looks, displays on wealth and status, and then it is up to the men who were PRESELECTED to approach/court the woman when she gives you the green light. No amount of stupid gaming or bad boy role playing will change this fact.

 

[Tictac]

This is a myth created by stupid PUAs who believe looks don't matter. Nice guys don't finish last, who finish last are the average/ugly and creepy/desperate men who pretend to be nice when in reality they are actually sociopaths/obsessed people. As long as a woman finds you attractive and has already PRESELECTED you, being nice will actually work in your favor, as long as is not overdone. She already wants you to be nice and generate good feelings in her.

Society and women love nice, kind, good hearted people, including men, as long as is not overdone and fake, as in when many faggots act overly nice just in hopes to get a woman to like them. There is nothing wrong with being nice to women and people. This is because is not kindness or rude behavior which attracts women.

Stupid PUAs believe that if an average guy suddenly starts acting more like a bad boy, then women will like him more than if acted nice. This is retarded. If he is not attractive, then most women will not find him attractive either way. The reality is women can tell when you are fake, so if you are not genuinely a good person, they will be able to tell that you are trying too hard.

Similarly, if you are not genuinely a bad boyp, they will be able to tell you are putting on an act to impress them.

You shouldn't change or try to be something you are not. This means that you are low value and need to cater to whatever women or society consider attractive. Women don't act like this. They don't give a **** if men are not ok with them being *****y or overly nice. They know options are everywhere.

She is not rejecting you because you are too nice, she is rejecting you because your looks and character don't generate any sexual feelings in her. If you had acted like a bad boy from the start, it wouldn't have changed a god damn thing, if anything, you would have come off as a bitter ugly guy who hates women.

Saying something loudly does not make it true.

Saying something over and over does not make it true.

It's nice to know what you believe. It's boring already.

You can shut up now.