The myth that nice guys always lose

[Asmodeus]

@latino158
Yes, there is a degree of preselection involved. If you are too ugly or something women may be less inclined to talk to you. However, you are far overstating it. I have made women go from not interested at first meet to interested by utilizing game techniques. Women like strong and dominant men, this is a fact that I have found. Gaming does change this fact, I am not saying be a flat out @sshole that does not work so well. What I am saying is show confidence, carry a conversation, pass her $hit tests (they are real), seem interesting and passionate. Even if you were preselected and found unworthy at first you can always change that.
Also, I am going to question how much you know about PUA/game techinques. You seem to have a very narrow understanding about them from what I have been reading from your posts.

 

[Asmodeus]

And sometimes... It is appropriate to play the nice guy card. Yes, I said it. You must be adaptable based on the woman. I have found in just a few cases (though it happens to be the minority) that the c0cky and funny routine does not work so effectively. Sometimes the woman has become aware of PUA techniques, sometimes they are looking for something different (something I have seen in very conservative women). In which case you should play up the nice guy role a bit. In fact, in my experience you should always mix a bit of sincerity with the c0ckiness and confidence or else you come off as being entirely fake to them. You must be a chameleon and be adaptable to the circumstance. That is the best game of all. The best PUA does not follow a rulebook or a set of techniques, he is adaptable and recognizes that limiting yourself to some techniques and rules do not always suit. Not that I consider myself a master PUA or anything, but I have reviewed a lot of the theory and understand it well.

And NO you are not automatically a Don Juan because you are Latino... Don Juan is a way of life that goes beyond even women, it is you reaching the ideal of your self. If you make it all about the women you become lost in it, and your own status revolves around the pvssy instead of your own convictions and virtues. I do not consider myself a Don Juan, not because of the number of women I have been with as that is just a number to me, but because I still need to work on my attitude and my mentality and find balance in my life.

 

[zekko]

The manosphere is valuable but it has two sides, IMO. On one hand, they rightly warn men that they should embrace their masculinity, and beware of females who may not live up to their expectations or obligations. Never put your power into the hands of someone else, be it male OR female. It is easy for naïve men to put their power into the hands of females because the court system has been built up to back the females.

On the other hand, a lot of people exchange their "blue pill" reality for a PUA invented "red pill" reality which is just as much of a fabrication. Some people are just blind followers and need to be told what to do, and some of these guys make PUAs and the Manosphere their new religion. The "red pill" is supposed to represent reality, but PUAs encourage you to be "delusionally self confident", which means you would be living in your own false reality.

The PUA "Nice Guy" is a weak, manipulative pvssy. What about this guy is "nice" again? Oh yeah, nothing. They look up to what they call "bad boys", but then define them as confident masculine men, which means that they are neither "bad" nor "boys". Same with alphas, they seem to think any guy with a good attitude is an alpha. Um, no. Alphas are the top dogs and dominant males. Males who embrace their masculinity are simply the BASELINE of what men should be.

Some guys say the only real alphas are in prison. If that were true, then there would be NO reason to study or emulate alphas whatsoever, unless your ambition is to spend the rest of your days in a prison cell.

 

[latino158]

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And NO you are not automatically a Don Juan because you are Latino... Don Juan is a way of life that goes beyond even women, it is you reaching the ideal of your self. If you make it all about the women you become lost in it, and your own status revolves around the pvssy instead of your own convictions and virtues. I do not consider myself a Don Juan, not because of the number of women I have been with as that is just a number to me, but because I still need to work on my attitude and my mentality and find balance in my life.

but technically I'm a Don Juan, sir.

My name is Juan.

Also, makes you wonder why some white guys would choose a latino stereotype as their motto lol

 

[Asmodeus]

Don Juan is not a Latino stereotype... In fact Don Juan is SPANISH not Latino, there is a distinct difference between Spain in Europe and the "Latino" which refers to the Hispanic regions of South America that were conquered by the Spanish. The original Don Juan was a Spanish opera which may have been about some real person who was a naval captain (though the truth is not well known). If you have ever been to Spain most people there are as white as I am. It was just a popular play that spawned a stereotype of sorts.
Also Casanova was white, Italian and considered a Don Juan, not to mention the countless other examples.
In modern times it has become attributed to a man who lives by his whims and his will. Who does what he desires and answers only to himself (as the original Don Juan in the play was a libertine), but also who aspires toward a better self. It is also attributed to being a ladies man because most men who emulate these qualities are attractive to women and far more likely to have great success with them (confidence, independence, passion, masculinity, ect).
But that is all for the little history lesson.

 

[latino158]

Don Juan is not a Latino stereotype... In fact Don Juan is SPANISH not Latino, there is a distinct difference between Spain in Europe and the "Latino" which refers to the Hispanic regions of South America that were conquered by the Spanish. The original Don Juan was a Spanish opera which may have been about some real person who was a naval captain (though the truth is not well known). If you have ever been to Spain most people there are as white as I am. It was just a popular play that spawned an stereotype of sorts.
Also Casanova was white, Italian and considered a Don Juan, not to mention the countless other examples.
But that is all for the little history lesson.

you realize spaniards are also latino, right?

They are the real latinos, not south americans

You realize all south americans have spanish blood and spanis names and last names?

 

[Asmodeus]

That is what I said... South America was conquered by Spain. The last names and change in cluture were done as part of a cultural assimilation. But Latino refers to "American Spanish" or Hispanic if you would like. Oh, and people from Spain are mostly considered Caucasian. Have you ever been there? I have been to Granada and let me tell you even in the southern parts of Spain most people there are as white as I am.

But is this some kind of discussion about what is Latino, or is it about Don Juan which has very little to do with the Latino culture outside of a play that was popular in the Golden Age of Spain?

 

[latino158]

That is what I said... South America was conquered by Spain. The last names and change in cluture were done as part of a cultural assimilation. But Latino refers to "American Spanish" or Hispanic if you would like.
But is this some kind of discussion about what is Latino, or is it about Don Juan which has very little to do with the Latino culture outside of a play that was popular in the Golden Age of Spain?

Latino actually refers to the europeans whose languages come from the latin language, which are spanish, portuguese, italian, french and rumanian. They are latin europeans.

The only reason south americans are called latinos is because of them, so THEY are the real latinos, and we are nothing more, but descendants. People in south america speak mainly spanish, portuguese and french, and since these countries and languages descend from Latin, then we are considered "Latinos" too.

Technically, we are not latinos. The united states invented that term for us, so they can group us all together. We did NOT.

Also, people from south america can be of any race, including white just like people from Spain.

You say the term Don Juan came from Spain, but this applies to South Americans too, because we are descendants from them, we have the same exact culture, religion and language. Also, if you ask any person in society what comes to their mind when someone mentions the term don juan or "suave", they will instantly say a latino from south america.

It may have originated in Spain, but now is attributed to us, could because we south americans and Mexican have played a bigger role in Spanish acceptance and spread than Spain could ever dream of.

 

[Asmodeus]

Like I said this is some pointless discussion which has nothing to do with Don Juan... And if Latino encompasses Italian and French then I guess I am Latino as well.

 

[latino158]

Like I said this is some pointless discussion which has nothing to do with Don Juan... And if Latino encompasses Italian and French then I guess I am Latino as well.

Yep, pretty much, since the word latino comes from the latin language, that is all.

 

[Asmodeus]

So this was all pointless...
Let me rephrase... Don Juan has NOTHING to do with race, culture, ethnicity, ect. The interpretation of it is of a man who lives according to his own whims (akin to the Don Juan made famous by the Spanish Opera of the same name). Thus, the example of a Don Juan is a man who is Spanish. But not ALL Spanish men can be Don Juans as it is a lifestyle and in order to be one one has to emulate that lifestyle. So thus, anyone with the capacity and mentality to emulate that lifestyle, and who actively does such is a Don Juan.

 

[Von]

You've been here since 2011... why start trolling now?

Are you alright?

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

If you know about genetics you will know that the majority of our attributes are triggered by environment. A child raised in an abusive home will have a different brain and personality to an identical child raised in a nurturing home. WHO WE ARE IS NOT FIXED AT BIRTH. A timid child raised in a home where risk taking is encouraged will be better at taking risks than a child never pushed at all.
8 months ago I was depressed, suicidal, low self-esteem etc etc. Strangely, hot chicks were not stampeding to get to me, despite me being a nice guy.
I started reading redpill, working out, and getting some nice clothes. I look people in the eye more, stand straighter, and am allowing myself to be a man, not just some sweet guy.

A lot of this stuff is learned. Am I a natural? No. Am I becoming one? As I internalise what I learn I hope to be better at it.

I am getting lots more attention from women who are happy to say out loud that they would like to **** me. Am I better looking than before? No. Do I act like I think I am attractive? Hell yes.
Am I a nicer person, no. By society standards I am not. I am not monogamous, or in a single long term relationship. I punish women if they piss me off. I don't always care if the woman I am ****ing has a beautiful sensual experience. I am more honest with women and myself though. Life is great.
I am loyal to my friends. I take care of my children. I don't cheat, steal or do drugs. I work hard. I genuinely like women. Does that make me a nice guy? **** knows.

tl.dr? Who we are is NOT all preprogrammed at birth. We can CHOOSE to learn and change, physically, mentally and socially.

Yeah, a lot of PUA stuff is about displaying traits we may not actually have e.g. confidence, until we get enough experience to be confident. That is why there is so much focus on self-improvement.

As for the term alpha it is a placeholder for your interpretation. I think of alpha as confident men. There is no need to get hung up on social hierarchies.

Be nice but don't be a ***** or any woman's *****.

 

[latino158]

You can improve yours look and personality to a small extent, but you will always be bound to whatever nature and genetics gave you. If guy that is 5'4 wants to be a basketball, sure, you can train all you want, but guess what? It ain't gonna happen

If a guy with 4 inch penis wants to be a pornstar, guess what? chances are, it aint gonna happen.

 

[Asmodeus]

"If guy that is 5'4 wants to be a basketball, sure, you can train all you want, but guess what? It ain't gonna happen"

^
At 5 feet, 3 inches, Tyrone Bogues, better known as Muggsy Bogues, holds the record as the shortest player in NBA history.

"If a guy with 4 inch penis wants to be a pornstar, guess what? chances are, it aint gonna happen"

 

[latino158]

So, basically just because a few have achieved it, then it becomes the norm?

is like saying, caucasians are shorter than east asians, because yao ming is 7'6, is called an anomaly

and in both cases, they are still a manlet and small penis person, all that changed was their fame

They didn't change what they were born with, which is what I was getting at

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

What about people who change gender, skin color, boob size, testosterone levels etc? Do you think long term prison inmates don't change sexual orientation, or at least adapt it. I am 6'7" I acknowledge I will never be a jockey. That is genetics.

The problem is that you are saying everything is determined by genetics. Even a basic knowledge of brain development should tell you that EXPERIENCE is vital for brain development and early choices also shape later choices as neural pathways get formed. You should also be aware of how flexible the brain is, and able to adapt and change. Experience is the key to personality, not genetics. Also citing temperament theory is a bad idea. It has been shown that temperament is also flexible based on life experience.

If nothing can really be significantly changed (which I disagree with) why bother attempting to improve at all? I met a fat guy last night. He said scientists said, you can't lose weight after 40 so he wasnt going to try.

So what are you going to tell all those ordinary guys who want to be better than they are? Don't bother, you can't really change who you are! Accept your fate.

History is full of great men, who became great not because of natural ability, great genetics, or looks. They became great because they believed they could be great. Belief is NOT genetic.

 

[latino158]

I clearly said you can improve your looks and personality to an extent, but don't expect miracles lmao

 

[Asmodeus]

@daddymonsterpoodle
Thank you, and this is why this forum exists. For knowledge, wisdom, and experience (and by learning through the experience of others). Because you cannot change your genetics. But you can change your mentality, you can change your behaviors, you can improve.
The proof is in the pudding. We have many posters here who will share how the knowledge they gained here, or through their life experiences has benefited them. How adopting the Don Juan mentality and working toward self-improvement has made them not only more successful with women but more successful in life. We are not in the business of making miracles here, we are instead helping people with self-improvement. Sometimes however, that self-improvement can be miraculous or have miraculous results. But one should never give up trying to become better, one should never give in and say "impossible".
Impossible is a big word used by small men to afraid to challenge their own self perceived limitations.

 

[Tictac]

@daddymonsterpoodle
We have many posters here who will share how the knowledge they gained here, or through their life experiences has benefited them.

When you think you know, as OP does, he is incapable of learning.

“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

aka - don't waste your time.