Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told

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great post @Ronaldo7

With regards to Hitler, he was a brilliant leader in his own sense. He conquered most of Europe & returned Germany to the very top.
Hitler was no military genius, but he had a vision and the charisma to enable others. The strategies applied by Germany in both I.&II. WW were constituted long before in the Schlieffen-Plan and tactics were developed from previous war experiences, such as Blitzkrieg by Erich von Manstein.

The question is how such a sociopath could overtake an entire nation. No nation is evil by default, and if the cruel outcome had been known from the beginning I'm sure it would never ever had started. The perceived failure of the democratic Weimar Republic and the economic breakdown made a perfect time for any strong Leader to appear. It started subtle with the attempt to recover national pride, building up minorities as scapegoats, the humilation from 1st WW it all came together. I believe it was more like an avalanche and in the end it became unstoppable. The movie The Wave was great to understand the psychology of Nationalsocialist movement.

Also the german people were made to believe that Poland started the war and Germany had to react to defend (Operation Tannenberg/The Gleiwitz incident). It is easy to deceive and misguide an entire nation if you control the media and the public consciousness.
 
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he was stupid. Invade Russia FIRST and the rest of the world will help you. Nail down the balkans, then move to grab Suez, the North African oilfields, before the west can do anything about it. Swiftly move thru the mediterranean, grab Gibraltar and England. Then you can ally with Mussolini and take France at your leizure. Nothing but the nukes could have dislodged him. A PROPER invasion of Russia would have worked. He started far too late in the year, with far too much of his resources devoted to the Western front
 

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I'd have to agree. Whatever people's moral views are about the man, I have no doubt about his fanatical drive to bring Germany back to greatness and have it dominate Europe. I can't help but admire that sense of single minded purpose and iron willed drive, I think we can all learn from that.

Exactly. I believe Hitler has a great deal we can learn from. And frankly, his story is remarkable. I often cite him to people who do not believe in themselves. He was short, ugly & had failed more times than he had achieved (twice rejected from the Academy of Fine Arts). If Hitler surged and became the greatest conqueror since Genghis Khan, Attila & Tamerlane, who are you not to dare to believe & achieve?

As for the Jews, Hitler's Germany was hardly the first country to target them for destruction/expulsion/murder. Throughout history, the Romans, Arabs, Persians, English, Spanish, French, Russians, Polish, Lithuanians, Italians etc etc have all consistently tried to make this people go away, each for their own reasons. Wherever they have gone, for whatever reason, the Jews were not a very well liked people.

Interesting to hear some of your views on this guy.

I recommend the most complete book on Hitler. It is by John Willard Toland. I've read Mein Kampf and other books highlighting the Third Reich, Afrika Korps & the SS.

I'll give you some of my thoughts of Hitler's thinking based on a private recording between him and Gustaf Mannerheim, the wartime leader of Finland. Hitler had no option but to invade Russia when he did because he feared that the country would grow too strong if he waited any longer. During the conversation, he expressed how shocked he was when he found out just how well armed Russia really was. A quote from the conversation:

“We ourselves were not completely sure of this, how monstrous this strong armament was.. It is evident…evident. They have the most monstrous armament that is humanly conceivable (‘menschendenkbar’)…so…if anybody had told me that one state…(footsteps)…if anybody had told me that one state can line up with 35.000 tanks (Hitler uses the word ‘tank’), I had said ‘you have gone mad’…

http://civilianmilitaryintelligence...ecording-of-adolph-hitler-and-carl-mannerheim

I think Hitler was a military genius who gained extensive experience in warfare tactics through fighting on the western front for four years. His leadership and how he overruled much more experienced generals in the world's best trained army and how he led these armies to overrunning Europe is nothing short of breathtaking. Like Napoleon, he made some classic mistakes. Versailles was pretty harsh, but it could have been a lot worse. The Germans didn't like it, and I can understand where they were coming from. So close to winning WWI, they had already won in the east and still occupied foreign territory in the west. If not for American money and being stabbed in the back on the home front, they might have won.

I do not think Hitler had to necessarily invade Soviet Russia. Stalin faced the same predicament Hitler did from the West. The only reason Hitler is designated as evil much more than Stalin is simple as the following: Somehow Stalin ended up as the victim and the Allies saw the perfect crack in the armor to defeat Nazi Germany. Turn it the other way around and we'd be talking about Stalin.

I can literally talk for days about WWI and WWII so maybe I'll just stop there.

Those wars fascinate me. The Russo-Japanese war is one i find myself reading a lot about. One of the least mentioned empires is that of Japan. People do not know that both Koreas, Taiwan and various parts of China were property of Imperial Japan. Hideki Tojo led Japan during WWII and was the almighty character behind Pearl Harbor.

That being said, Hitler has been demonized to a certain degree by the media. There have been far worse killers in history (mao, stalin) who have not been vilified nearly as much.

Also, just to comment on the rumour about Nazis going around killing dogs it may be a little ironic but Nazi Germany actually passed some of the strictest animal protection laws in all of history:

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/Nazianimalrights.htm



Good point bringing up King Leopold, one of the most vicious and bloodthirsty killers in history. Rumour has it he was responsible for the murder of 10 million blacks in Congo, and punishments such as cutting off hands and feet for not cutting enough rubber trees was pretty standard. But I'm not sure if I'd blame him totally for what's going on with the modern day genocides in Rwanda and Burundi today. The ethnic resentment that has been going on there between tutsi and hutu have existed for centuries before the Belgians arrived (ie tutsi kings ruling over a hutu majority).
Another genocide, which is not commonly observed, is the Armenian one. The Ottoman Empire is not given the sufficient scorn it deserves after the systematic killing of almost 1 million people.
 

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We all know history, and we all know that Hitler was bad, but hey, at least he put the Germans on priority? So now I have a question, what can you say about Merkel? With all the things going on in Europe right now, esp Germany with the 'refugees' thing.. I think the Germans were going way too soft..
 

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mental patients, the handicapped, Gypsies and Jews

Yeah, Hitler hated gypsies just as much as jews, but they get kind of a raw deal in the way the history was written.

The second guy I fought in mma was of gypsy heritage. He was one tough sob. The gypsies are always travelers. Even the ones here travel around for work. They are always the new kid in town, thus get picked on, thus get in fights, so they have to be tough. It is a very machismo culture, too, no whining allowed. If two men have a problem with each other, violence is an acceptable form of problem-solving.

Another of the best fighters I knew was a Serb. That's another culture not to fvck with. I've never seen a Serb back down from a fight.
 

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We all know history, and we all know that Hitler was bad, but hey, at least he put the Germans on priority? So now I have a question, what can you say about Merkel? With all the things going on in Europe right now, esp Germany with the 'refugees' thing.. I think the Germans were going way too soft..

This is all you need to see.




 
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Wooooow! Is this what's hot in the streets? A Hitler Appreciation Thread.

Actually, Adolf was never in charge of the concentration camps and it was never his idea.
Himmler'em put distance the Final Solution and the Führer so that he could claim pausible deniability, but don't think for a minute that Hilter didn't know about the camps existence and what was going on at Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen and the other camps.

The National Socialist movement was never about white supremacy like how Neo-Nazi's portray themselves today.
Kinda like the Confederate flag isn't the white man's flag or the Civil War wasn't about the Southerners' rights to their property? Now here's the hypocrisy of the SoSuave moderators. People can start Hitler Appreciation Threads and be cool in the game, but if I were to start a Jean Jacques Dessalines Appreciation thread, the sh*t would be locked and I would get banned from the forum, but like Rex always says, white privilege is a muthaf*cka.
 

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Wooooow! Is this what's hot in the streets? A Hitler Appreciation Thread.



Himmler'em put distance the Final Solution and the Führer so that he could claim pausible deniability, but don't think for a minute that Hilter didn't know about the camps existence and what was going on at Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bergen-Belsen and the other camps.



Kinda like the Confederate flag isn't the white man's flag or the Civil War wasn't about the Southerners' rights to their property? Now here's the hypocrisy of the SoSuave moderators. People can start Hitler Appreciation Threads and be cool in the game, but if I were to start a Jean Jacques Dessalines Appreciation thread, the sh*t would be locked and I would get banned from the forum, but like Rex always says, white privilege is a muthaf*cka.

You lost for even comparing the NSDAP to the Confederacy. They have nothing in common.

But explain to me what exactly was happening in those camps.

 
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You lost for even comparing the NSDAP to the Confederacy. They have nothing in common.

But explain to me what exactly was happening in those camps.



Read that book. What the treasonous, sadistically brutal, and sexually depraved former slavers were doing to black people in those prison labor camps is identical to that the Nazis were doing to people in the camps.
 

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Read that book. What the treasonous, sadistically brutal, and sexually depraved former slavers were doing to black people in those prison labor camps is identical to that the Nazis were doing to people in the camps.
What did the NSDAP do to those people in camps and what does the NSDAP have anything to do with how black people are treated in prison today?
 

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@SeymourCake

You are a lemming with a room temperature IQ.

Which makes you a perfect Nazi! Good boy!
But didn't the NSDAP Germany produce the best scientists in the world at the time?

Good goy.
 

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But didn't the NSDAP Germany produce the best scientists in the world at the time?

Good goy.
You are not a German scientist, most of whom escaped if they could. So why compare yourself to them?

You are a mouth breather with no capacity for thought. A sheep that will believe what he's told and do what he's told.

Good National Socialist! Good boy!
 

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You are not a German scientist, most of whom escaped if they could. So why compare yourself to them?

You are a mouth breather with no capacity for thought. A sheep that will believe what he's told and do what he's told.

Good National Socialist! Good boy!

Accusing someone to be a mouth breather on a forum? Lol. You are resorting to ad hominems because you have nothing to back up your empty statements. Good goy.

I will not be responding to you anymore unless you bring up a valid argument.

PS. Your troll game is very weak.
 
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