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OP you are a huge faggot, you come on here and say "there is a reason you resorted to online dating" as if it's some kind of negative and also implying something is wrong with men who do use it. That is dysfunctional thinking. Some men aren't experienced enough to handle always constantly cold approaching yet, keyword YET as it is a skill that must be practiced and honed, they're just using OLD in the mean time.
 

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OP you are a huge faggot, you come on here and say "there is a reason you resorted to online dating" as if it's some kind of negative and also implying something is wrong with men who do use it. That is dysfunctional thinking. Some men aren't experienced enough to handle always constantly cold approaching yet, keyword YET as it is a skill that must be practiced and honed, they're just using OLD in the mean time.
Assuming that a woman would have the concept in her brain of how approaching and attracting is a skill in itself? haha...

Let's be real guys. Why even debate with women about this stuff that they have no idea about on top of being feminists? it's pointless.
 

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I think OP is well-intentioned--just a little solipsistic and obviously promoting her own mating strategy and best interests. Even so, there's a nugget of truth to what she's saying.

A lot of guys that end up here have a sense of entitlement and are conditioned by the media/porn/movies/whatever else to feel bitter that they aren't getting the hottest women or that other guys get the hottest women with less effort. (On the other hand, plenty of other guys will just go for the first girl that falls into their lap--regardless of whether or not she measures up to any standard). Either way there's still an element of pedestalization.

Not saying to lower your standards--but be realistic about them. Now, part of what SoSuave is about is maximizing your mindsets, your lifestyle, your looks and understanding your SMV to improve your range to its utmost potential; but even so you might never phuck a 9 or a 10--and the truth is you don't really need to (you've been socially conditioned so that that's what you value and what you perceive will boost your ego). Too many guys get caught up with BPD nutcases, difficult women, bitchy women, (sometimes no women at all) by focusing on the top range of what they can attract (or hypothetically attract) when most guys'll be much happier with the top range of women that they can get to submit to them entirely*--whether that looks like a long-term plate or a monogamous LTR.

By all means, bang the hottest women you can get your hands on--but don't bring her into your world (and especially don't get caught up in hers) unless she's willing to submit 100% .

*EDIT--preferably younger--women post-Wall will submit to you for all the wrong reasons ;)
 

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I think OP is well-intentioned--just a little solipsistic and obviously promoting her own mating strategy and best interests. Even so, there's a nugget of truth to what she's saying.
What use is a nugget of truth when it is inside a giant pile of elephant dung?

Pretty much all the "advice" she posted is based on incorrect or fabricated assertions. It's like a kindergartener trying to teach a high level math class... it's kind of embarassing.
 

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Nobody wants to argue with a girl on a site like this. Honestly djgirl, you have no place here. We don't want to hear your opinion. We are men, and you are a woman. You are biased towards your own gender. It will be nearly impossible for us to see eye-to-eye. If we don't like what a woman has to offer, we NEXT her, just as you would next, or, FRIENDZONE a guy who isn't what you were hoping for. Please, don't complain to us, and don't come here hoping that we will agree with you. It won't happen. The reason we have sites like this in the first place is because we are POLAR OPPOSITES of each other.

Now go away, and banter with your girlfriends about how shallow men are. You will never understand us. You're not meant to.
 

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why should I have to have Secks with you first to get a relationship from you?? Why can't we just get to know each other first before jumping in to bed?!
This is the problem with you trying to wrap your head around this... You keep trying to think about it on a conscious level. You keep trying to picture how you would qualify yourself for one of the men on here by contemplating the pros and cons of having sex with him. Guess what? It doesn't happen that way.

What really happens is you get your emotions so wrapped up in the guy that you don't even think about having sex with him. You feel like you want to have sex with him because you feel like you have a connection with him. It all happens on a subconscious level. If you DON'T feel you have a connection with him, then you're not going to feel like having sex with him, and the subject of having sex with him comes to a conscious level. Sex is verification that we've reached the subconscious portion of a woman's brain and know that she's truly interested. You cannot get into a relationship with a woman who's not subconsciously interested, PERIOD.

This is why women fvcking suck at giving dating advice to men. They can only explain what's happening on a conscious level. When it comes to a subconscious level, it's all "fate" or "destiny" or "soulmate" and all those other mystical sounding scenarios describing how something is "meant to be".

YOUR suggestion on how to reach a woman's subconscious is to become "friends first" and "see if anything happens". The guys on here will beat you to the punch by learning how to bypass all your conscious bull5hit and MAKE that subconscious connection happen. Sex is just verification that we got there.
 

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What use is a nugget of truth when it is inside a giant pile of elephant dung?

Pretty much all the "advice" she posted is based on incorrect or fabricated assertions. It's like a kindergartener trying to teach a high level math class... it's kind of embarassing.
Hence the three subsequent paragraphs that reframed her somewhat nonsensical argument into something of validity in case anyone wants to get something of use from this thread.

Of course, I could've just joined the dissenting chorus of guys regurgitating the same stuff over and over--and making a huge deal of a female being a female in what's turned out to be the most active thread I've seen in the past 2 months.
 

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I think OP is well-intentioned--just a little solipsistic and obviously promoting her own mating strategy and best interests. Even so, there's a nugget of truth to what she's saying.

A lot of guys that end up here have a sense of entitlement and are conditioned by the media/porn/movies/whatever else to feel bitter that they aren't getting the hottest women or that other guys get the hottest women with less effort. (On the other hand, plenty of other guys will just go for the first girl that falls into their lap--regardless of whether or not she measures up to any standard). Either way there's still an element of pedestalization.

Not saying to lower your standards--but be realistic about them. Now, part of what SoSuave is about is maximizing your mindsets, your lifestyle, your looks and understanding your SMV to improve your range to its utmost potential; but even so you might never phuck a 9 or a 10--and the truth is you don't really need to (you've been socially conditioned so that that's what you value and what you perceive will boost your ego). Too many guys get caught up with BPD nutcases, difficult women, *****y women, (sometimes no women at all) by focusing on the top range of what they can attract (or hypothetically attract) when most guys'll be much happier with the top range of women that they can get to submit to them entirely*--whether that looks like a long-term plate or a monogamous LTR.

By all means, bang the hottest women you can get your hands on--but don't bring her into your world (and especially don't get caught up in hers) unless she's willing to submit 100% .

*EDIT--preferably younger--women post-Wall will submit to you for all the wrong reasons ;)
Thank you! Finally someone that understands where I'm coming from!

Just like not every girl is going to get the top hottest guy because of various reasons, it's the same with men...you are not all going to end up banging the 10s, a lot of men feel like they are entitled to them just like women feel they are entilted to the 100k making Brad Pitt. People need to be realistic about their expectations and stop living in a fantasy world/ porn movie where everyone is perfect.

Reading forums like these make me realise how our human race these days is just doomed.
 

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LOL this is a **** test and the whole forum failed. OP, what you need to get out of this is that your best bet is to be more submissive and to work on improving yourself as well
 

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LOL this is a **** test and the whole forum failed. OP, what you need to get out of this is that your best bet is to be more submissive and to work on improving yourself as well
Not a sh1t test. Just an entitled little girl who thinks she should deserved the world because she has a vagina, and she wants to vent on this forum because she doesn't like her options that she doesn't have to put forth effort to have.

God forbid she has to look at what is wrong with herself, make changes, and she might have a better chance at getting what she wants.

The female ego is so inflated, So fragile.
 

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Not a sh1t test. Just an entitled little girl who thinks she should deserved the world because she has a vagina, and she wants to vent on this forum because she doesn't like her options that she doesn't have to put forth effort to have.

God forbid she has to look at what is wrong with herself, make changes, and she might have a better chance at getting what she wants.

The female ego is so inflated, So fragile.
The fact that all these dudes felt the need to rationalize/defend their frame so vehemently and to respond in the first place--thus giving her all the attention she came here for, thus further inflating her ego. Everybody has to make their SMV work for them--women, with the lack of an overarching frame, get just as phucked over by their hypergamy in the end; and the AFC's (which a lot of the guys here still are to some extent) are every bit as delusional, solipsistic, and fragile.

That's the game for you.
 

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Has anyone here ever overheard a bunch of girls talking about their relationships with men?

If the OP and most women had it their way, men would pay for everything in a relationship, including food and rent, and bring flowers home to the women every day and tell them about what beautiful princesses they are.. while the women sit around and do nothing but enjoy the attention and gifts being thrown at them.

Women today are more selfish, self-absorbed, and full blown mentally ill than they have ever been in history. Women in the western world today just aren't healthy.
You just described my ex wife. She was s stay at home mom that did nothing. Kids hungry clothes dirty...she had time for lunch with her friends, naps, meetings at church. But the house was filthy and I took care of the kids in the evening while she locked herself in the bathroom and read. I tried everything except spanking her ass to get her to change. She finally filled for divorce. She was a stay at home mom that got 750 a week for expenses. Now she is a fat whale that teaches special education for 35k a year. Hypergamy can be cruel sometimes. I'm sure she could get fu cked or married at anytime. There are guys that will do it. She is just to lazy to put out what little effort it would take to find a guy.
 

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The fact that all these dudes felt the need to rationalize/defend their frame so vehemently and to respond in the first place--thus giving her all the attention she came here for, thus further inflating her ego. Everybody has to make their SMV work for them--women, with the lack of an overarching frame, get just as phucked over by their hypergamy in the end; and the AFC's (which a lot of the guys here still are to some extent) are every bit as delusional, solipsistic, and fragile.

That's the game for you.
Well if that's what she came here for clearly she's a loser. Most women who are decent, not slvts, not mentality ill get married pretty young.

Clearly there is something wrong with her. I'm a charitable man and I have sympathy for the mentally ill so I'm happy to help this troubled woman.
 

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Lol. You all got played, sons.

All I see is an entire circle jerk, disappointing but true. You're arguing logic with a woman, an emotional being. Think about that, how it unravels all the DJ principles this forum preaches.
 

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Lol. You all got played, sons.

All I see is an entire circle jerk, disappointing but true. You're arguing logic with a woman, an emotional being. Think about that, how it unravels all the DJ principles this forum preaches.
That we're still human beings? Or that men are competitive? Or that she's mentally ill and unhappy with men yet it's her that's the problem, not men. Nothing was proven other than the things I listed and that she should go to love shack if she doesn't like the solid realistic advice we give her every time she comes here. I enjoy debating it's like competition. That's all there is to it.
 

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Excuse me? mentally ill and unhappy with men? Ha wow so many bitter and jaded men here its not funny. You young ones don't get it and this is part of the reason why I can never take you all seriously and end up getting with older mature men instead. You think you are all entitled to hot supermodel women who should be at your mercy but yet most of you are all average and wonder why you cant score the 10s!! Yet the minute women want to have standards as well we are flamed and shred to pieces for it. Its bullsh1t. Men really have no clue when it comes to women hence why so many of these sites exist and you still don't get it
 

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Thank you! Finally someone that understands where I'm coming from!

Just like not every girl is going to get the top hottest guy because of various reasons, it's the same with men...you are not all going to end up banging the 10s, a lot of men feel like they are entitled to them just like women feel they are entilted to the 100k making Brad Pitt. People need to be realistic about their expectations and stop living in a fantasy world/ porn movie where everyone is perfect.

Reading forums like these make me realise how our human race these days is just doomed.
The point isn't about getting a 9 or a 10, its about becoming the best version of yourself that you can be. Its about taking yourself from the current level of wherever that is...a 5 or 6 or 7 and getting yourself up to a 7 or 8 or 9...most people if they are willing to invest in themselves enough can get themselves up to at least a 7. That means physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.

Its not about finding someone "perfect", its about becoming the best version of you to be able to obtain the best you can, rather than settling for the current version of you which is able to get far less than you are truly capable of. Whether that means getting in better shape, having the right mindset, using the proper methodologies, dressing better, etc...

If you think the human race is doomed from reading these forums, you must be one of the people who are unwilling to work on improving themselves and are upset at others who are willing to. Don't be a hater, because that's what you are coming off as--someone who isn't willing to put in the work and effort, so they don't want anyone else to either.
 

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Thank you! Finally someone that understands where I'm coming from!

Just like not every girl is going to get the top hottest guy because of various reasons, it's the same with men...you are not all going to end up banging the 10s, a lot of men feel like they are entitled to them just like women feel they are entilted to the 100k making Brad Pitt. People need to be realistic about their expectations and stop living in a fantasy world/ porn movie where everyone is perfect.

Reading forums like these make me realise how our human race these days is just doomed.
Do tell....Preach to your women first. Start with the one on old that I saw that wants a woodsman with a penchant for poetry.....What do I want? A would like an average or better girl that wasn't crazy. That is a good companion. Sex has to be ok but I hold the other characteristics to be of higher value. Kinky would be icing on the cake. I have no silly expectations that I have no reasonable chance of getting. IHave I ever found a girl like this? Yes one and she was a 10 becasue she had everything I wanted and was very pretty. Long blond hair, submissive, cooked and cleaned, good companion and kinky as hell. She loved me deep and hard. I loved her too. What did I do with her? I kicked her to the curb because she wanted to get married and I was unemployed at the time. She didn't want to wait.

Now I have a job. I tried to get back with her. Now I would be financially able to contribute to a marriage. What did she say? Oh...you couldn't find better and now you are back? I tried to explain about the job again...that now my kids didn't need me. This is logic....Never try to use logic with a woman. She used emotion not logic to make her decision.....Um no you didnt want me then...but honey I couldnt have you then because of my situation....um you cant have me now cause my feelers are hurt and I will punish you....She said it took two years to get over me. Oh well moving on....I will find better.
 

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Excuse me? mentally ill and unhappy with men? Ha wow so many bitter and jaded men here its not funny. You young ones don't get it and this is part of the reason why I can never take you all seriously and end up getting with older mature men instead. You think you are all entitled to hot supermodel women who should be at your mercy but yet most of you are all average and wonder why you cant score the 10s!! Yet the minute women want to have standards as well we are flamed and shred to pieces for it. Its bullsh1t. Men really have no clue when it comes to women hence why so many of these sites exist and you still don't get it
Again this is completely false. Time and time again posts talk about how a guy's looks matter just as much as a woman's looks do. Nobody is "entitled" to anything. The advice is to always go for what you want and if you get it great, if not, then that's OK too. You can never pre-determine what any particular woman is going to find attractive. For instance, in my case, I have had very good looking women who think I'm hot, hit on me and chase me, and average looking women that think I'm average or below. Everyone has different traits, personalities and body types they find attractive. If this wasn't the case all you would see are people that are the same looking together, and that clearly isn't the case. On both sides you will see couples that you look at and go "HUH???" because either its a really hot woman with an average or below guy or a decent looking guy with Shamu.

On average, you will usually be able to date within a point or two of your looks, but if you approach enough really hot women, you will end up dating one---in the end its all a numbers game.
 

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Do tell....Preach to your women first. Start with the one on old that I saw that wants a woodsman with a penchant for poetry.....What do I want? A would like an average or better girl that wasn't crazy. That is a good companion. Sex has to be ok but I hold the other characteristics to be of higher value. Kinky would be icing on the cake. I have no silly expectations that I have no reasonable chance of getting. IHave I ever found a girl like this? Yes one and she was a 10 becasue she had everything I wanted and was very pretty. Long blond hair, submissive, cooked and cleaned, good companion and kinky as hell. She loved me deep and hard. I loved her too. What did I do with her? I kicked her to the curb because she wanted to get married and I was unemployed at the time. She didn't want to wait.

Now I have a job. I tried to get back with her. Now I would be financially able to contribute to a marriage. What did she say? Oh...you couldn't find better and now you are back? I tried to explain about the job again...that now my kids didn't need me. This is logic....Never try to use logic with a woman. She used emotion not logic to make her decision.....Um no you didnt want me then...but honey I couldnt have you then because of my situation....um you cant have me now cause my feelers are hurt and I will punish you....She said it took two years to get over me. Oh well moving on....I will find better.
If I'm being honest, you are the one who fvcked up, not her.

She was willing to accept you as you were, and you pushed her away. Dumb move if you truly loved her.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

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