Being second choice

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Being second is the first of those who lose.
What's important here is what you want, if you want to keep on fcking her then just do it but start seeing also other women because the emotional attachment it's gonna be your downfall and the girl is going to think the same as you do now. Make her also your 2nd,3rd or 4th choice and you will see her interest levels arise.

If you want something more than sex just move on , stop having sex with her and forget about it because she sees you as a backup. You are nothing more to her than just a toy that can have sex with whenever she wants . Start seeing other women and you will be better.

2 choices to take , think what's best for you
 

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It's really simple. I have no issue with plates seeing other guys, in fact I prefer it when they are. But when you are with a girl, having sex, having fun, and another guy calls and asks her to meet him. She leaves you to go see him. The reason she does this is she sees the other guy as a better option for beta chump boyfriend provider material, and he isn't around often. This is disrespectful imo. I do not appreciate or enjoy being told "hey some better shmuck called so I'm off to see him now." Sure I can keep seeing her and getting the pvssy when he is busy, and maybe most guys would do that - that's why I posted, to canvas opinions and see if I was perhaps overreacting.

Of course I enjoy fvcking her, but I do not enjoy being a blatant space-filler penis guy while she waits for her preferred option to make some time for her.

And as you can see from the replies, there are a variety of views on how to deal.

Lots of people post that they bail at the first sign of low interest or dosrespect. This could barely be a clearer sign.
 

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fixtures said:
It's really simple. I have no issue with plates seeing other guys, in fact I prefer it when they are. But when you are with a girl, having sex, having fun, and another guy calls and asks her to meet him. She leaves you to go see him. The reason she does this is she sees the other guy as a better option for beta chump boyfriend provider material, and he isn't around often. This is disrespectful imo. I do not appreciate or enjoy being told "hey some better shmuck called so I'm off to see him now." Sure I can keep seeing her and getting the pvssy when he is busy, and maybe most guys would do that - that's why I posted, to canvas opinions and see if I was perhaps overreacting.

Of course I enjoy fvcking her, but I do not enjoy being a blatant space-filler penis guy while she waits for her preferred option to make some time for her.

And as you can see from the replies, there are a variety of views on how to deal.

Lots of people post that they bail at the first sign of low interest or dosrespect. This could barely be a clearer sign.
What i see is that your ego is getting hurt, you might not feel it now but it happens subconsciously, the proof is this post you made here. It has not to do with sex but for your mental health. If you have many plates then it wouldn't be a problem for you to get sex whenever you want.
Forget this chick, move on , you have developed feelings for her and you're in denial of it.
 

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NSX-R said:
What i see is that your ego is getting hurt, you might not feel it now but it happens subconsciously, the proof is this post you made here. It has not to do with sex but for your mental health. If you have many plates then it wouldn't be a problem for you to get sex whenever you want.
Forget this chick, move on , you have developed feelings for her and you're in denial of it.
Yes, ego, I said this in the first post.
Feelings, maybe a little, but she isn't my main plate.
You are right, time to move on. thanks
 

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Yes, ego, I said this in the first post.
Feelings, maybe a little, but she isn't my main plate.
You are right, time to move on. thanks

Dude i just recently ditched an ex/plate who was giving me sex, 3sums etc...

But i knew i was the back up plan, till something better came along.. if you spend time with her, other than just sex.. ie going out, watching movies, etc etc

Overtime your bound to catch feelings.. sometimes you have to put your self respect and mental health before pusssy
 

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It seems to me, in order to get laid.. some guys on here are happy and willing to be treated like less than dogs..

Its pretty obvious op does not like the idea if bieng 2nd place, or getting tossed aside for some other chump..

Besides this girl is treating and using him like a piece of crap..

Where is your sense of self respect guys.. you value pusssy more than yourself respect
The thing is you value whatever she thinks of you in the first place whatever she thinks, we don't care. That's why I said she can say whatever she wants to him, herself and mr. long-term. Only if what this b!tch thinks is of value to you would it matter.

If a woman is willingly fvcking you ongoingly and regularly, you are her preferred option. It's that easy. If she really wanted to fvck someone else, guess what? she would be out fvcking them or at home with her vibrator/fingers dreaming about their c0ck, ie. doing just that. OP's problem is not the situation inherently but the fact that he's become invested in this woman, whether he admits it or not. "AttackFormation, how can you know that?" because if you are not invested into something it doesn't matter to your ego and thus you don't care, what I'm saying should really be self-evident.
 

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Ok, so I'm invested, let's assume - probably I am, to some extent.

How would you play it now? Simply stop contacting her and see if she gets in touch, in the meantime contact her if I fell like getting laid with her.

Walk away, she has low interest. Forget it.

Actively tell her I don't want to be second option to someone else and see if her IL increases - demonstrates my self respect, but maybe a beta move to verbalize?
 

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Ok, so I'm invested, let's assume - probably I am, to some extent.

How would you play it now? Simply stop contacting her and see if she gets in touch, in the meantime contact her if I fell like getting laid with her.

Walk away, she has low interest. Forget it.

Actively tell her I don't want to be second option to someone else and see if her IL increases - demonstrates my self respect, but maybe a beta move to verbalize?
Because you are invested you can't solve this problem the same way I would. But then again, if you weren't invested this situation would not be a problem to begin with so I should've seen that you can't keep on with her from the start, just not for the reasons given in this thread.

If I wanted to remove investment in a woman for my own sake, I would simply stop contacting her and make no effort when she contacts me, all the while starting to see other women, and it'd probably be best if you stopped having sex with or seeing her at all.
 

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Yep...gonna have to think with the big head here for a minute. You are invested, at least to some degree. So the fact that she ditches you to spend time with Mister Coffee bugs you. But it seems like she enjoys having you as a human dildo. Not really a bad thing, no strings sex is great. Obviously as soon as it looks like it might go somewhere with him she'll drop you like a hot rock. But until then she'll get her bedroom needs met by you. If you want her to become more invested in you, more than just for sex, looks like your only option is to not give her what she wants. Like AF said, back off entirely at least for now. Then you'll see who her preferred option really is. I dont think I'd verbalize to give her an ultimatum. Pull the old tried and true fade away method.
 

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Guys read between the lines...the girl is using OP in case main guy ultimately rejects her. Haven't you ever boned a less desirable girl while meanwhile strongly aiming for another chick much more desirable that is being more difficult to get???? Happens to me all the time.

He is sacrificing his self respect and mental health by being with this chick and is not ahering to a code that develops strong frame.

OP shut her out completely...comete ignore radio silence unless she starts crying begging saying you are the live of her life.

OP is clearly very invested
 

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zinc4 said:
He is sacrificing his self respect and mental health by being with this chick and is not ahering to a code that develops strong frame.
Wise words.
 

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So an update,

I decided to detach from this girl emotionally, and was able to do so by repeating reality to myself before meeting her. I do like her, but I also recognise that she is not ltr material at all.

I carried on just banging her for a few weeks.

She still hankers after coffee-boy however.Because he is unavailable. I guess from her chat that he has at least one other plate so of course she wants what she can't have. I could do this, but then I would not be fvcking her so it seems pointless.

I told her I was not interested in being used for sex while she primed him for a relationship, and I was getting out. Her eyes watered, this is a girl who shows little emotion, so it was a big deal. She was embarassed. She then got very horny and we fvcked again. We then went for some food as I was hungry, and she wanted to keep fvcking, but I said no, I am ending this now. If you can't decide who to hang out with, hang out with him. I was serious. She begged to spend one more night with me, and as she is very hot I agreed, and after sex she admitted having some feelings.

She asked to spend tomorrow night with me, but says after that she wants a few days, 3 or 4, to herself as she is finding the pressure of having feeling for two guys very difficult. I said, sure, take all the time you need, I'm happy to end things here. She said, but I want to spend tomorrow with you. Well 3 or 4 days is nothing, I wasn't free to see her for a few days after tomorrow anyway.

We left it there. I am due to pick her up tomorrow.

I realise her asking for space is not good, but I do think she is genuinely pressured by having two guys and not wanting to lose either of us.

The question is, where to go from here. I am perfectly able to meet her tomorrow and fvck as normal, and leave her to have her space or whatever, and if she never contacts me again I really am ok with that. But I would like to keep her as a fwb. So meet her, then go NC until she gets in touch? Or cancel? Or something else??
 

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She has said however that she does not want either of us to catch "feelings" and if one of us does, it must end. Fine

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I told her I was not interested in being used for sex while she primed him for a relationship, and I was getting out. Her eyes watered, this is a girl who shows little emotion, so it was a big deal.
B*tch brought checkers to a chess game.
 

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Dude.... duuuuuuuuuuude....

She has you by the b a l l s, and she knows it. Why? Because you keep re-negging on your supposed statements. One minute you're saying you want to end things, then the next you're willing to have sex with her. One minute you're saying you'll end things, then the next she's able to persuade you to see her the next night.

You know why she has feelings for the other guy moreso than you? Because he's CONSISTENT and UNWAVERING in his dealings with her. He says he's not ready to sleep with her yet, and despite her trying to persuade him, they still haven't done it. He hits her up to hang out once a week, and despite her trying to persuade him, she's only able to see him when HE'S set the schedule for it.

THIS GUY IS DOING ALL THE THINGS YOU SHOULD BE DOING TO INCREASE HER INTEREST.

"But wait," some of the others have said on this board. "She's still giving you sex, so you're winning!" Hmmm, think about that: she can't bang the other guy, but she still wants sex... so she uses your physical body to get her release, while at the same time imagining the other guy's head on your body. Soooo... winning? LoL

Anyway... for starters, you need to be honest with yourself about this girl and if you actually WANT her. Based on the time you're spending with her and how much you talk about her, it sounds like you want to be in a relationship with her. If you do, that's fine, and you need to quit lying to yourself about it - it's perfectly okay to want to have a girlfriend you regularly bang, hang out with, get food with, etc. If you just want to bang her for a while and then kick her to the curb, you need to know that as well. But you can't be doing both - like, you can't say "I just want to bang her" one minute but then get all whiny when she starts wanting another dude.

Assuming you actually WANT her, though, you're going to have to let her go... and be BRUTAL about it.

Not brutal like saying mean things to her, but brutal in sticking to your guns. What does this mean?

1. NO MORE ALLOWING HER TO TELL YOU SHE WANTS TO BE WITH SOMEONE ELSE.


The fact that you allow this is pathetic. The proper way to handle this in the beginning would have been:

HER: So... just so you know, I like this other guy more than you, and will drop you if he shows interest
YOU: Really? Well then, let's save time and just end it now (walks off)

It's the DETACHMENT to the outcome of dating a woman that they find attractive (which this other guy is clearly showing), and something you need to show more of. It also lets her know there's a level of respect that comes with dating you, including not bragging or pining after other guys in front of you.

2. TELL HER YOU'RE NOT SPENDING TIME WITH HER ANYMORE - AND MEAN IT.

Yes, you risk getting rid of a guaranteed sex partner, but you know what? Realistically, there are others out there. And your self-respect is worth more than what she's been giving you.

More importantly, though: the fear of loss is always greater (and more painful) than the fear of gain. Right now she doesn't fear losing you because, in her head, it's not an actual possibility: you're "Mr. Reliable," so even when you threaten to leave she feels she can say a few kind words or flash a lil' skin and you're right back in. But she needs to actually feel what it would be like to not have you in her life, and the only way you can do this... is to actually remove yourself from her life. This means: no sex, no hanging out, no doing favors, no being there to talk to her when she's having a hard day... she needs to actually experience NOT being able to do all this stuff with you in order to better appreciate your presence in her life.

3. WHEN SHE STARTS CONTACTING YOU, IGNORE IT.

Not forever, but definitely for the first month. And trust, she WILL contact you. She will text you, email you, call you, try to show up to places she knows you frequent... ignore all of it. The more you ignore her, the harder she will work for your attention; the more she works for your attention, the more her brain will convince her she's doing all this because she actually likes you, possibly even MORE than the other guy who has yet to show her the attention she wants.

4. DO NOTHING DURING THE "QUIET" PERIOD

This is the point where it appears she's given up trying to contact you. Usually after a month, a woman will stop hitting you up if you've been ignoring her. At this point, she'll fall back and try moving on from you. This is NOT the time to hit her up. Continue with life as if she doesn't exist. This period may last a month or two, but usually not longer than that. After this period, she will hit you up randomly out of the blue, at which point...

5. AGREE TO MEET UP WITH HER TO "CATCH UP"

More than likely, she will throw this out there - "just wanted to see how you were doing, maybe catch up sometime?" At this point, she's gone through enough of a period without you where she really, REALLY wants to be with you. It's at this point you agree to meet up just to "chat." She'll probably give you a few updates on her life, then go into how she's so sorry for the way she treated you, and how she misses you, etc.

At this point, it's pretty easy to get a bang out of the meet-up, but it also becomes easier to talk about what you two will be going forward, and laying out the rules for what that would entail. Because, if you've gotten this far, she will be more willing to follow YOUR lead on whatever this thing is going to be, and less likely to come at you talking about other dudes she's interested in.

Of course, doing all this takes patience, and I'm not really one for trying to get girls to be with me that are expressing interest in other dudes. I'm just saying, it CAN be done, but how you're going about it will not work in the long run. Too much access + too much willingness to do what she wants never equals having the girl fall for you.
 

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Dude.... duuuuuuuuuuude....

She has you by the b a l l s, and she knows it. Why? Because you keep re-negging on your supposed statements. One minute you're saying you want to end things, then the next you're willing to have sex with her. One minute you're saying you'll end things, then the next she's able to persuade you to see her the next night.
Yep.....EXACTLY.

When I read this,first thought that came to my mind was "+1 rep". The old forum is still in my mind,lol. But anyway,yeah......

This guy is acting like a FOOL. He's does the same thing women do that we talk about on here......he's SAYING one thing,but DOING another.

He's SAYING one thing,then going right out and doing the OPPOSITE of what he just said. He said....

"I told her I was not interested in being used for sex while she primed for a relationship,and I was getting out"
So after he told her he wasn't going to be used for sex and was leaving,what happened?.......

"She then got very horny and we fvcked again."
Yeah,dude...you showed her. Glad to see you put an end to her using you for sex. :rolleyes:


Then you and her went out to eat. Afterward,she wanted to have sex with you again,but you told her no.....and that you were serious,that she needed to decide who she wanted to hang out with. She then begged to spend one more night with you,then you said.....

"as she is very hot I agreed."
Way to show her how congruent you are.


Then,she TWICE said/asked to spend the night with you tomorrow. Your response?....

"I am due to pick her up tomorrow."

You f*cked up. How can you expect her to change while your behavior remains the same? Your words MEAN NOTHING.....there's no action behind them to show you mean business. All she has to do is dangle the carrot of her p*ssy out in front of you,and your little "I'm serious about you choosing" speech goes out the window. You're no closer now to making her choose you than you were before you started the thread. In fact,you're likely FARTHER away.

Yeah....you'll keep get sex from her,but nothing's changed. She's NOT gonna give up her quest for this other dude,she's just gonna be more secretive about it. She's gonna tip-toe around,while using sex to keep you blind and distracted.

Don't blame her. If you can't stick to your OWN WORDS and back them up....if YOU CAN'T DO IT,what makes you think SHE'S gonna take what you say seriously and adjust her OWN behavior?
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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OH MY GAWWWWD!

Why is something simple made to be so fcuking complicated.

Your frame is in the very wrong direction, more like you have zero frame.

You keep focusing on what she wants, what she says, who gives a fcuk what she says.

If sex is good, she would want it more. If she wants it more and you continuously dominate her during sex and make her do things in the bedroom, she would be more emotionally attached to you even if she doesnt know it. All it takes is for coffeeboy to have sex with her one time and not evoke the feelings you did and there she goes crawling back to you. You just have to be confident in who you are and what you do.



You've had numerous practice with the poonani but you're concerned about a guy who hasnt even seen the poonani? wow. Pretty much you have countless training and dedicated trainers getting you ready for a UFC fight but you're scared of a dude who hasnt even been to a gym.

and why the fcuk are you two talking about coffee boy? where is your confidence, your boundary, your self respect?

For her to be confident enough to utter that she'd bounce after coffeeboy makes a move it means you've shown you would be more hurt than her, you've somehow shown you are getting emotionally invested, you're doing things for her instead of vice versa, you're talking about your dreams and goals in life and all other personal sheet which is very unethical for fbuddies.

Does this girl initiate 100% of your convo? Is she even half as invested as you?

Your frame seem very beta bro, you got pussie whipped and thats what you need to work on. You are too emotionally invested even if she was your girlfriend and since she's just a plate you're waaay tooo invested.

You already fcuked up spilling your feelings, might as well close the book on this one.

Next time, start off right, keep your frame, dont mix emotions with sex and you wont have a beach so confident to say half the sheet this girl told you.



If you miraculously start fcuking her again after spilling your feelings then,

I dare you.

Turn her down for sex after consistently fcuking. Cancel or reschedule to a different day. Leave in the middle of sex. Be fcuking BOLD.

If she hits you up for Monday, tell her you have someone else coming over Monday but your tuesday is still open.

Show you have options.
 

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Yeah, I don't disagree with anything here. A lot of mistakes have been made.

However today she called coffeeboy in front of me and told him all about me. He told her to go to hell and hung up. I then told her I was no longer interested in seeing her. She was extremely upset. I am well aware she will continue to pursue him.

She called me drunk a few hours later and left a largely unintelligible message. I am going to ignore her for a while and then be much less available.

Thanks for all the posts. I realise I have ****ed up here but it has been an education in learning from some mistakes, and I do think it can still potentially be salvaged at some point in the future.

Thanks again.
 

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So, somehow the book is far from closed.

She had her space, and contacted me to say shed decided she doesn't want anything serious but wants to carry on seeing me as we were, 3 or 4 times a week for sex and some hanging out, eating whatever. She says as long as this is the case she has no intention of sleeping with anyone else or looking for it and that coffeeboy is history as he doesn't want to share her. I realise these are just words, but I so believe her in this instance and also she showed me her last message to him where its clearly over, he has gone ghost.

So this seems to have somehow all worked out fine, we are having a relationship which is mostly sexual, despite her not wishing to label it as such, the other guy is gone.

This suits me very nicely now. The only thing I'm confused by is why she insists on not defining it as a relationship. I don't need or want her to, but am trying to work out what the thinking is behind that, given her actions - doing exactly what happens in a relationship - suggest the opposite. Maybe she needs to not feel like she ended up with second best?
 
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