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Everyone has their own definition, but I can tell you what a high-value man is NOT - and that is somebody who marries a woman you find naked online for free...

And again, she is divorced 3 times...surely at some point SHE becomes the common denominator in those failures.
So Elliot Rogers is more of a high value male than Kris Humphries? This is what I mean when I say the Red Pill has started appealing more to a lower working-class demographic. Judging a Man's self-worth over the pvssy he gets is some Ray Ray and Pookie mess.
 

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You are in denial and coping badly. High earning men would quickly wife up a post OnlyFans Thot if she puts on a smile and gives him a *******.
They will bang them and that’s it. I don’t see a high value man wifing up an OnlyFans hoe. He would have too many better options.
 

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6/10 with that hourglass figure? Cute face, big a$$ and big tits? Bro get off the drugs
Hahaha! Weren't you the one bragging about being on drugs not too long ago?
 

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Ok, name one.
We literally just argued about Kim Kardashian lol. Other than that, I do not know any famous former Only Fan models, only girls I know anecdotally. They have zero issues getting those rich muscular upper middle aged bros with the Viagra flush that fly them out to Vegas, Scottsdale, and Miami.
 

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We literally just argued about Kim Kardashian lol. Other than that, I do not know any famous former Only Fan models, only girls I know anecdotally. They have zero issues getting those rich muscular upper middle aged bros with the Viagra flush that fly them out to Vegas, Scottsdale, and Miami.
She is divorced...3 times...and will never have her own children with whoever she ends up with...

And again...these dudes are BANGING these chicks...not WIFING them.
 

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She is divorced...3 times...and will never have her own children with whoever she ends up with...

And again...these dudes are BANGING these chicks...not WIFING them.
They don't want to be WIFED up lol. These girls do not have a single pair bonding brain cell in their head. The only ones that desperatly want to be wifed up and saved are the loser wall hitting hood rat women that were chasing rappers and athletes that you saw crying on Kevin Samuels show. A girl that is decent looking and making good money makes the choice not to be wifed up, not the other way around. They are the ones flipping through these guys, not the other way around. My best friend is a doctor and he wifed up a 44-year-old single mom of 2 kids. They had a kid through a surrogacy. I hate to be blunt, but the space Fresh and Fit speak in represents the hood and not average life. the concept of captain save a hoe is older than the dirt on Mose's sandals.
 

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They don't want to be WIFED up lol. These girls do not have a single pair bonding brain cell in their head. The only ones that desperatly want to be wifed up and saved are the loser wall hitting hood rat women that were chasing rappers and athletes that you saw crying on Kevin Samuels show. A girl that is decent looking and making good money makes the choice not to be wifed up, not the other way around. They are the ones flipping through these guys, not the other way around. My best friend is a doctor and he wifed up a 44-year-old single mom of 2 kids. They had a kid through a surrogacy. I hate to be blunt, but the space Fresh and Fit speak in represents the hood and not average life. the concept of captain save a hoe is older than the dirt on Mose's sandals.
Do you think your friend is a high-value man wifing up a high-value woman? I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.

There is no man worth a damn who is going to take on another man's kids, with a difficult woman. Know why? Because if he has options, he can find somebody that DOESN'T have that baggage.
 

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Do you think your friend is a high-value man wifing up a high-value woman? I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.

There is no man worth a damn who is going to take on another man's kids, with a difficult woman. Know why? Because if he has options, he can find somebody that DOESN'T have that baggage.
I am not sure how you cannot understand the fact that a lot of men aren't obsessed with 18–22-year-old escort bimbo strippers that are heavily emphasized in the red pill echo chamber. In addition, your average well off guy is not some Dan Bilzerian or Hugh Heffner either. These men just want a woman that they can either show off to their friends and family or a woman that isn't a pain in the @$$ and lets them watch sports in peace. Plus, if she is putting out and giving him head then why would he drop her? Oh, but you are red pilled and exceptional I see. Guess what, your red pill Daddies are literally dating women with baggage and lying to your face about it. I know you are obviously the exception and pumping and dumping 10s left and right without any investment, but just wanted you to know that fact.
 

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I am not sure how you cannot understand the fact that a lot of men aren't obsessed with 18–22-year-old escort bimbo strippers that are heavily emphasized in the red pill echo chamber. In addition, your average well off guy is not some Dan Bilzerian or Hugh Heffner either. These men just want a woman that they can either show off to their friends and family or a woman that isn't a pain in the @$$ and lets them watch sports in peace. Plus, if she is putting out and giving him head then why would he drop her? Oh, but you are red pilled and exceptional I see. Guess what, your red pill Daddies are literally dating women with baggage and lying to your face about it. I know you are obviously the exception and pumping and dumping 10s left and right without any investment, but just wanted you to know that fact.
Dude, it's really not that complicated...

Most men would prefer:

A woman who doesn't have kids with another man, rather than one with kids.

A woman who's not getting naked or f***ed online, rather than one who is.

A woman who is sweet, supportive, and traditional, rather than one who is entitled and difficult.

A woman who is young and hot, rather than one who is older and has her best days behind her.

A high-value man has the resources to find a woman who checks off all those boxes and does not need to settle, in any sense of the word...

There was a bit on an Aba & Preach video I think where Lana Rhodes was doing her podcast about wanting to be labeled a trophy wife...despite the fact that there are LIBRARIES of videos of her doing heinous sh** in the bedroom. Their analogy was that a high-value man wants a trophy wife, not a trophy with doo-doo stains on it that every man has had.

Kagney Linn Carter, August Ames, Jessie Jane, Shyla Stylez, Lisa Ann, Mia Khalifa etc these are pronstars, "high-value" because they were wealthy and successful, since that seems to be your definition, with stained reputations who are either dead or perma-single as a result of their profession. Know why? Because no man worth a damn is going to take the public image beating of being associated with them in any serious manner.

And again...for hopefully the final time...NOBODY IS MARRYING THESE WOMEN. THEY ARE JUST BANGING THEM.
 

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Most men would prefer:

A woman who doesn't have kids with another man, rather than one with kids.

A woman who's not getting naked or f***ed online, rather than one who is.

A woman who is sweet, supportive, and traditional, rather than one who is entitled and difficult.

A woman who is young and hot, rather than one who is older and has her best days behind her.

A high-value man has the resources to find a woman who checks off all those boxes and does not need to settle, in any sense of the word...
Having preferences do not guarantee action. If everyone acted on their preferences, then we would all have hot virgin wives with the sex skills of a porn star. However, this is a fantasy, so guys settle for what they can get whether it is a hot girl with baggage, a mediocre girl that gives peace of mind, a thicker girl that brings a little bit of both, or maybe he does not care.

In addition, a high-value man can do whatever the fvck he wants to do and does not need Fresh and Fit and their red pill support group dictating their dating preferences.

There was a bit on an Aba & Preach video I think where Lana Rhodes was doing her podcast about wanting to be labeled a trophy wife...despite the fact that there are LIBRARIES of videos of her doing heinous sh** in the bedroom. Their analogy was that a high-value man wants a trophy wife, not a trophy with doo-doo stains on it that every man has had.
Idk who this is, but I just google searched her and read that SHE DUMPED her boyfriend and not the other way around.

Kagney Linn Carter, August Ames, Jessie Jane, Shyla Stylez, Lisa Ann, Mia Khalifa etc these are pronstars, "high-value" because they were wealthy and successful, since that seems to be your definition, with stained reputations who are either dead or perma-single as a result of their profession. Know why? Because no man worth a damn is going to take the public image beating of being associated with them in any serious manner.

And again...for hopefully the final time...NOBODY IS MARRYING THESE WOMEN. THEY ARE JUST BANGING THEM.
Maybe they choose not be married like a lot of men choose not to be married either. Did you ever consider the possibility that ALL Women aren't the same and can make decisions too? They all have boyfriends that choose to reveal their identity to the whole world, so DO NOT tell me that these guys are just dvcking them down at midnight and running away like cats.
 

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High earning man is not the same as high value man.
I said this on page 1 a lot of people in the RP/manosphere conflate High value with high earning, a lot of people don't even run in those circles and in this thread it's obvious that most don't know what they are talking about

The original only thot Kim Kardashian seems to be doing fine to me.



What is a high value man?
A high-value man is subjective there is no universal standard for it, unfortunately, most think it's a guy who is high-earning but here is my definition

A high-value man is a man who is confident, assertive, and respected among his peers. He's a guy who is recognized as a leader or trendsetter not just in his industry and field but also in his family. A man of high moral character, integrity a man of God. The type of Man you wouldn't mind your daughter or sister marrying. A man who has a purpose to help his fellow man out and also is a pillar in his community.

Once again this is my definition many people think being high value is being high earning and famous, it doesn't take any skill or morality to do so, just look at social media influencers i.e. youtubers, TIk Tokers etc for example. A lot of them are trash

IMO Kim Kardashian is not high value woman
 

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I said this on page 1 a lot of people in the RP/manosphere conflate High value with high earning, a lot of people don't even run in those circles and in this thread it's obvious that most don't know what they are talking about



A high-value man is subjective there is no universal standard for it, unfortunately, most think it's a guy who is high-earning but here is my definition

A high-value man is a man who is confident, assertive, and respected among his peers. He's a guy who is recognized as a leader or trendsetter not just in his industry and field but also in his family. A man of high moral character, integrity a man of God. The type of Man you wouldn't mind your daughter or sister marrying. A man who has a purpose to help his fellow man out and also is a pillar in his community.

Once again this is my definition many people think being high value is being high earning and famous, it doesn't take any skill or morality to do so, just look at social media influencers i.e. youtubers, TIk Tokers etc for example. A lot of them are trash

IMO Kim Kardashian is not high value woman
I agree wholeheartedly with your points, as evaluating situations solely based on financial considerations can be biased. It's important to acknowledge that one's current circumstances may not fully reflect their potential or dedication. They might be grinding towards their goals or temporarily inactive but still possess the capability to succeed.

Furthermore, it's unfair to judge individuals for choosing partners with past baggage. While it might not align with my personal choices, I refrain from passing judgment, understanding that it's their decision and may ultimately benefit their families in the long run.

Drawing from personal experiences, I'm deeply grateful for the significant roles my step-grandfather and stepmother played in my family. Their commitment to supporting and raising family members in the face of challenges, such as my biological grandfather's infidelity and my mother's absence, underscores the importance of familial love and support. Western Society will collapse if we just consist of single moms, players, and incels.
 

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I said this on page 1 a lot of people in the RP/manosphere conflate High value with high earning, a lot of people don't even run in those circles and in this thread it's obvious that most don't know what they are talking about
Which is also because of changing standards and changing definitions. When I grew up, masculinity was defined very differently and someone like Andrew Tate would be laughed away as a blowhard. When I grew up, attention hoes like the Kardashians would've be considered a ridiculed freak show, but times have changed and now these people are revered and adored and considered role models.

A high-value man is subjective there is no universal standard for it, unfortunately, most think it's a guy who is high-earning
That's because the Nineties showed us that 'Greed is Good' so a slimy waste of space like Bezos is looked up to.

Money is not the root of all evil. Greed is the root of all evil.

Before this callous age, people didn't just consider how much you earned, but also how you earned it. And of course being an unscrupulous callous businessman would be 'respected', but nobody would consider you a 'high value man'.

Seeing how people now confuse a con man with multiple felonies and federal indictments as a 'high value person', I can see how people nowadays are confused by what it actually means to be 'high value'. And open the door for the rats to take over the sinking ship.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly with your points, as evaluating situations solely based on financial considerations can be biased. It's important to acknowledge that one's current circumstances may not fully reflect their potential or dedication. They might be grinding towards their goals or temporarily inactive but still possess the capability to succeed.

Furthermore, it's unfair to judge individuals for choosing partners with past baggage. While it might not align with my personal choices, I refrain from passing judgment, understanding that it's their decision and may ultimately benefit their families in the long run.

Drawing from personal experiences, I'm deeply grateful for the significant roles my step-grandfather and stepmother played in my family. Their commitment to supporting and raising family members in the face of challenges, such as my biological grandfather's infidelity and my mother's absence, underscores the importance of familial love and support. Western Society will collapse if we just consist of single moms, players, and incels.
I'm not judging Kim Kardashian I just said she is not a high-value woman
High-value women aren't posting pictures like this on Instagram when they have kids
http://instagr.am/p/C5j-zuFRobb/
http://instagr.am/p/C5j-zuFRobb/ ^^^NSFW

Do you think Princess Diana in her prime would have posted smut like this? hell nah

Nor would I ever take a woman seriously who shares intimate sex details publicly with no shame, that's just trashy behavior
You can say I'm judging I would say I'm merely giving my opinion. Yes Kim got a banging body and is hotter than 99% of 43-year-olds and even 30/20 year olds in the world However I would never marry her, now if she wanted to date me where I'm at currently I would be a fool to say no even if we only dated for 3 months, my stock would go through the roof, not gonna lie I have dated worse looking single mothers (not seriously) than her lmfao
 

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I'm not judging Kim Kardashian I just said she is not a high-value woman
High-value women aren't posting pictures like this on Instagram when they have kids
http://instagr.am/p/C5j-zuFRobb/
http://instagr.am/p/C5j-zuFRobb/ ^^^NSFW

Do you think Princess Diana in her prime would have posted smut like this? hell nah

Nor would I ever take a woman seriously who shares intimate sex details publicly with no shame, that's just trashy behavior
You can say I'm judging I would say I'm merely giving my opinion. Yes Kim got a banging body and is hotter than 99% of 43-year-olds and even 30/20 year olds in the world However I would never marry her, now if she wanted to date me where I'm at currently I would be a fool to say no even if we only dated for 3 months, my stock would go through the roof, not gonna lie I have dated worse looking single mothers (not seriously) than her lmfao
I think I confused you but I do not see Kim kardashian as a high value woman. I only brought her up because people are blind to the fact about how valuable pvssy is regardless of the baggage.
 

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So Elliot Rogers is more of a high value male than Kris Humphries? This is what I mean when I say the Red Pill has started appealing more to a lower working-class demographic. Judging a Man's self-worth over the pvssy he gets is some Ray Ray and Pookie mess.
As someone who doesn’t follow popular culture, I find all these references to people. I have no idea who they are. It’s kind of comical.

Worrying about what other men would do or their value or stupid crap like this is absurd. I just don’t understand it.

Maybe if we spent less time worrying about what other guys would do and more time worrying about what we would do given our own merits we’d be happier?

Stop comparing yourselves to other people I guarantee you you’ll be much happier.

Kids today…
 

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As someone who doesn’t follow popular culture, I find all these references to people. I have no idea who they are. It’s kind of comical.

Worrying about what other men would do or their value or stupid crap like this is absurd. I just don’t understand it.

Maybe if we spent less time worrying about what other guys would do and more time worrying about what we would do given our own merits we’d be happier?

Stop comparing yourselves to other people I guarantee you you’ll be much happier.

Kids today…
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