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Michael Jackson has passed away.
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Comparison to Elvis
Both became popular at a young age.
Both revolutionized pop culture and music and basically set the world on fire.
Both had careers that lasted 20 plus years
Both have myths and urban legends about them. Remember how Elvis supposedly took a gun to the white house? Or how about MJ, did he really buy the remains of the elephant man?
Both had estates with unusual names. Elvis had Graceland. MJ had Neverland.
Both declined in popularity during their later years and became almost a joke.
Both lived lonely, sad lives before their deaths as they had become prisoners of their own fame.
Both died at young ages just when it seemed the world was starting to forget them.
Both died under mysterious circumstances.
Both of their music will live on long after their deaths.
Both are legendary icons that will live on as well. Will we soon see MJ impersonators in Vegas???
Both became popular at a young age.
Both revolutionized pop culture and music and basically set the world on fire.
Both had careers that lasted 20 plus years
Both have myths and urban legends about them. Remember how Elvis supposedly took a gun to the white house? Or how about MJ, did he really buy the remains of the elephant man?
Both had estates with unusual names. Elvis had Graceland. MJ had Neverland.
Both declined in popularity during their later years and became almost a joke.
Both lived lonely, sad lives before their deaths as they had become prisoners of their own fame.
Both died at young ages just when it seemed the world was starting to forget them.
Both died under mysterious circumstances.
Both of their music will live on long after their deaths.
Both are legendary icons that will live on as well. Will we soon see MJ impersonators in Vegas???
I would be, too! Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that if you're going to claim innocence later on, it's best to probably start by being available and assisting the investigation.horaholic said:
I want to say that if one is innocent they have nothing to fear, but I know that's just not true.
Exactly. Part of being a DJ is learning to think for YOURSELF. The media are vultures. They will say anything about anyone to make money (perez hilton anyone?) and they will take anything they possibly can out of context if it will make them money. And they know as much about what really may or may not have happened as everyone else who's calling him a pedophile: absolutely nothing.Violent V said:
I think all the Elvis and MJ comparisons are true. The two did share many interesting similarities and you can of course assume that by the weekend, you're going to have all the nuts come out of the woodwork claiming that MJ faked his death and is really living in Cuba or somewhere to escape his fame and all kinds of crap. And that doctor probably is in hiding and if he is found responsible for the death, even accidently, that guy is as good as dead himself.
I was listening to an interview with this rabbi Schmuley Boteach that was good friends with MJ. He had reported 5 years ago that he thinks MJ premature death is inevitable and that he could see that his life and health were in the last stages. He tried to give him spiritual guidance but said half the time MJ was so sedated and pumped up with drugs for all kinds of phantom ailments that were a product of his life state that he couldn't even listen. He said it was like running up against a brick wall. It's really a tragedy. He said all Michael ever really wanted was to be loved and yet was the lonelinest person in the world. Man, that's got to f*ck with your head. Honestly, I always thought MJ would eventually implode and commit suicide. Maybe in a way he did.
How many stars on that level of fame aren't full of problems? From Elvis to Kurt Kobain to Britney Spears. I think maybe Paul McCartney is the only one with that level of fame that still seems well-adjusted.
How loved do you have to be when your death single-handedly brings the internet to it's knees? Michael Jackson in his prime may have been the most universally loved person since Jesus, and I'm not exaggerating.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/michael.jackson.internet/index.html
I was listening to an interview with this rabbi Schmuley Boteach that was good friends with MJ. He had reported 5 years ago that he thinks MJ premature death is inevitable and that he could see that his life and health were in the last stages. He tried to give him spiritual guidance but said half the time MJ was so sedated and pumped up with drugs for all kinds of phantom ailments that were a product of his life state that he couldn't even listen. He said it was like running up against a brick wall. It's really a tragedy. He said all Michael ever really wanted was to be loved and yet was the lonelinest person in the world. Man, that's got to f*ck with your head. Honestly, I always thought MJ would eventually implode and commit suicide. Maybe in a way he did.
How many stars on that level of fame aren't full of problems? From Elvis to Kurt Kobain to Britney Spears. I think maybe Paul McCartney is the only one with that level of fame that still seems well-adjusted.
How loved do you have to be when your death single-handedly brings the internet to it's knees? Michael Jackson in his prime may have been the most universally loved person since Jesus, and I'm not exaggerating.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/michael.jackson.internet/index.html
spider_007
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never mind.....foot in mouth, before reserch desese.
Back to the pedophile thing...
Like I said in my earlier post, I doubt that the accusations were completely true (we'll never know).
BUT, even if he was guilty, that doesn't mean he should be damned. There are a lot of former pedophiles walking around that are good people and regret their actions.
Everyone deserves to be remembered for the good in them after their death.
Like I said in my earlier post, I doubt that the accusations were completely true (we'll never know).
BUT, even if he was guilty, that doesn't mean he should be damned. There are a lot of former pedophiles walking around that are good people and regret their actions.
Everyone deserves to be remembered for the good in them after their death.
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I dare anyone to watch this video and not be moved. It's MJ's incredible Superbowl performance. Have you ever seen so many people genuinely united in such a positive way in your life?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4r3qz_michael-jackson-full-superbowl-half_music
Naive and sincere are excellent words to describe Jackson. Tragic too.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4r3qz_michael-jackson-full-superbowl-half_music
Naive and sincere are excellent words to describe Jackson. Tragic too.
Ken785 said:
SHow some respect ? I have to say, I am religous man. I don't believe in mainstream religions. I believe in the evolution of the soul through multiple lifetimes with the purpose of life to evolve, eventually becoming a god ( like our creator) and creating universes like ours.
I will not judge Michael Jackson, as I believe his opinions and belief systems were clouded due to society ( think society is corrupt as a whole ). I will say however, his main accomplishment in this life was that he found a way to unconditionally love children. This is a good thing. However, I think he failed to perfect it. He went a little over the top. I personally believe that Michael Jackson molested many children, but not because he was a malevolent person. I think he had good intentions, but he was not a very smart person, which caused many problems.
My jokes are just that....jokes. If you are offended by them, I do not care, as I do not answer to any of you.
Many of you are not reliogious. I will not force you to believe anything that you dont want to. But to call me out and say what i said is disrespectful.....well, i call the sayer of this out.......What makes this disrespectful ? b/c society says talking bad things aobut the dead is disrespectful ? Perhaps you should make your own view points.
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He didn't bleach his skin. He suffered from chronic vitiligo.KontrollerX said:
I agree and with your earlier post too. I don't know that he was a pedophile (could of been extortion) and I don't care. It shouldn't even be brought up now. It's funny how people go from loving a celebrity to hating and trashing him. MJ was a great talent. He was probably the biggest and most popular artist in the early 80's.Truman181 said:
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"Smells like extortion to me.
Show some respect people, the man is dead and had a legendary career."
The cops have said the kid's story about how Jacko's genitals looked matched the pictures they took.
In other words Jacko was just another OJ Simpson which means a guilty SOB that got off due to money, fame and the race card.
I agree though the parents were scum for going for the cash payouts instead of putting this sicko behind bars where he belonged.
He'd probably still be alive had they done that too.
He's dead from a drug OD like Heath Ledger and other celebrities of late.
And as for the guy that told me he had vitiligo yeah I know that was the story he gave the media but I don't buy it at all.
There were reports he bought skin bleaching elements on the black market from mobster types and besides all that true vitiligo only is supposed to effect patches of skin here and there not make a person uniformly a new color completely as in Jacko's case.
Anyway this guy is still a hero to a great many people for sure but his legacy is forever tainted via the child molesting claims and as many times as the issue had been brought up in his life Occam's Razor favors him being a pedo as the simplest possible explanation since lets face it there's other ways to try and extort a celebrity besides this nasty angle that followed Jacko during much of his career.
He could of been an even greater hero to people if he'd taken some responsibility for his life gotten himself the help that he needed to deal with his past child abuse and mental demons and also get some kind of help for his child attraction but he did none of this so again he's forever a tainted and tragic figure.
Show some respect people, the man is dead and had a legendary career."
The cops have said the kid's story about how Jacko's genitals looked matched the pictures they took.
In other words Jacko was just another OJ Simpson which means a guilty SOB that got off due to money, fame and the race card.
I agree though the parents were scum for going for the cash payouts instead of putting this sicko behind bars where he belonged.
He'd probably still be alive had they done that too.
He's dead from a drug OD like Heath Ledger and other celebrities of late.
And as for the guy that told me he had vitiligo yeah I know that was the story he gave the media but I don't buy it at all.
There were reports he bought skin bleaching elements on the black market from mobster types and besides all that true vitiligo only is supposed to effect patches of skin here and there not make a person uniformly a new color completely as in Jacko's case.
Anyway this guy is still a hero to a great many people for sure but his legacy is forever tainted via the child molesting claims and as many times as the issue had been brought up in his life Occam's Razor favors him being a pedo as the simplest possible explanation since lets face it there's other ways to try and extort a celebrity besides this nasty angle that followed Jacko during much of his career.
He could of been an even greater hero to people if he'd taken some responsibility for his life gotten himself the help that he needed to deal with his past child abuse and mental demons and also get some kind of help for his child attraction but he did none of this so again he's forever a tainted and tragic figure.
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I was listening to A Perfect Circle today, and these lyrics came up:
Eyes of a fallen angel
Eyes of a tragedy
I think other posters hit it on the head when they said Michael has the best of intentions. He had so much love in his heart, but he was immature, naive and underdeveloped. I think he truly believed that everyone around him had the same honest and noble intentions that he did. Regarding pedo allegations, its feasible that he showed kids his genitals and saw theirs, as if it was a normal thing to do, the way two young children might see each others genitals out of curiosity. It seems there was nothing malicious about it though. Not that it makes it OK, just saying...
His kids certainly could have used a father figure and role model, rather than a 40-year-old best friend.
Eyes of a fallen angel
Eyes of a tragedy
I think other posters hit it on the head when they said Michael has the best of intentions. He had so much love in his heart, but he was immature, naive and underdeveloped. I think he truly believed that everyone around him had the same honest and noble intentions that he did. Regarding pedo allegations, its feasible that he showed kids his genitals and saw theirs, as if it was a normal thing to do, the way two young children might see each others genitals out of curiosity. It seems there was nothing malicious about it though. Not that it makes it OK, just saying...
His kids certainly could have used a father figure and role model, rather than a 40-year-old best friend.
KontrollerX said:
Even OJ has a mommy and a daddy and he is loved by them (and others?)
Even if he is a killer, I won't be pissing on his grave. I'm too classy for that. (Not saying you aren't classy KX - it's just not a classy thing to do to piss on someone's grave).
The parents of the second 'accusing child' were ridiculously ignorant or greedy... they knew of the first accustation, before sending their son to go 'spend the night' with Mr. Jackson. That, in and of itself, is extremely fishy.
I don't know whether or not he was guilty. Both sides have valid ideas, but only he and the children knew what really happened. I try to focus on the positive in people. I, for one, believe there are no bad people... only bad decisions.
As for the people saying he wasn't that great a singer or performer... really, I'd like to see you dance around stage for a few hours, and still be able to SING, not lip-sync.
I don't know whether or not he was guilty. Both sides have valid ideas, but only he and the children knew what really happened. I try to focus on the positive in people. I, for one, believe there are no bad people... only bad decisions.
As for the people saying he wasn't that great a singer or performer... really, I'd like to see you dance around stage for a few hours, and still be able to SING, not lip-sync.
He may have seen MJ in the bathtub, but that certainly is not proof that MJ molested him. In MJ's child-like mind, there is obviously nothing wrong with taking a bath with a kid. Now maybe he did molest them. I just don't know.KontrollerX said:
He mainly got off due to lack of evidence. Simply telling someone you've been molested or raped is not evidence that it happened. Especially when innocence is assumed in our court and you must prove guilt BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Now he might have done it, but the point is, there was not PROOF beyond a reasonable doubt that he did so.
He may have had it. This photo seems to suggest he did: http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i279/marnifrances/Michael%20Jackson/Vitiligo5.jpg
And maybe he just bleached his skin just even things out and not look like a cow. So both sides may be right. Perhaps he had the disease AND he bleached his skin for justifiable reasons.
In the end, when someone that famouse dies, people will brush aside the worst aspects and the Michael they remember will be the 70s and 80s era area Michael before his cheese slid off the cracker. It's the same with Elvis. People tend to define him by his Jailhouse Rock days, not the fat, drug addict with a cape playing in sleasy casinos image. We realize it happened, but we cast it aside and define by the peak of his career and it will be no different with MJ. That guy was just larger than life in the mid 80s, larger than Elvis, larger than the Beatles. I don't don't even think there's a singular person before or since then that had the level of fame and adoration he did, outside of a religious figure.
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Man i just remember when his latest videos used to air in the UK on a tv show called Top of the Pops. It was always awesome and something you would talk about with your mates at school the next day and you'd be trying to copy his moves. Thriller, Bad, Smooth Criminal were all huge videos. The guy was awesome when he wanted too be.
Can't remember how many pairs of white sports socks i ruined trying to do this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MmEMrCRfc
Bet he was loving every minute of it. R.I.P
Can't remember how many pairs of white sports socks i ruined trying to do this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MmEMrCRfc
Bet he was loving every minute of it. R.I.P