your definition of "Don Juan"

[The Private Player]

i found myself contemplating recently what i believe is a don juan in my eyes. the reason is because for some reason i have this pre-conceived thought that a don juan is someone who has all these girls and all of them are hot and then somewhere in there i gave this don juan the characteristics of a pimp and player. i can't even distinguish the real differences between all of them if there are any. it's really my own fault for taking the ideas from rap videos and tv and movies and trying to duplicate it.

if i had to choose what i wanted the defnition to be (for me that is) then it would mean someone who has the ability to consistently and skillfully talk to women with the end result being sex. after sex he has the ability to make her fall in love if he so pleases. the point is he can do all this at will. the don juan never runs out of women as all he must do is "choose" in a sense.

if i'm ever going to reach a goal of being the best don juan i can be, i must first know what a don juan really is.

the dictionary definition of don juan is:

A. Don Juan (wn, hwn, jn)
n.

1. A libertine; a profligate.
2. A man who is an obsessive seducer of women.

B. Don Juan (dn wn)
n.

A man who is an obsessive seducer of women, especially one who does so out of feelings of impotence or inferiority.

i'm curious to what everyone else believes their definition of don juan is and why.

 

[Lifeforce]

The fun thing is that all so called seducers already are seduced by her looks when they "seduce" the chick. So she does all the validation. And if the guy behave then she'll give him sex.

 

[The Private Player]

it's a bi*** isn't it? no matter how much we think were in control, they are the ones who actually have the power. whether they use it or not. that may seem like a bad thing, and it is but only when the females uses that power. which is usually if they aren't attracted to you. that means a don juan is basically someone who takes advantage of what happens to him. or something like that.

 

[rgeere]

I think a Don Juan is a man that knows a little bit about everything and finds himself capable to handle almost anything.

Whether or not he has a woman at is side he doesn't care because he knows that his d:ck is just one of those many tools he has at his disposal, just like everything else he has mastered.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Don Juans are guys with the ability to make women feel better about themselves whenever they are with him, to the point that they crave his presence.

 

[MrCode]

To address Lifeforce and The Private Player's last post, I think women only have the power if you give it to them. Come on, you should never need to have sex with a woman. You may really want to, but you don't need to. You can always choose to abstain or spend a night with Rosy Palm and her five sisters.

And I can't say it enough: women want sex as much as men do! Come on, they can orgasm in at least three different ways, and many, many times in one round of sex. Sh!t they talk about penis envy, what about puzzy envy? I sure wish I could come like they do.

Another point: seduction versus attraction. I believe very much in the David DeAngelo philosophy which basically says a man will always do better if he attracts a woman rather than trying to seduce her. Seduction implies that the woman has something you need, and the only way you can get it is to use some trickery. If you can attract a woman by being confident, charming, ****y & funny, dominant, well-dressed, etc., you won't need to seduce her. As crazy as it sounds, she might actually want to be with you out of her own free will.

So this moves me very nicely into describing what I think a Don Juan is. He is confident and magnetic, a person who is attractive and interesting to all people, not just women he wants to date. Unlike most of the self-absorbed duds in this world, he is charismatic and takes an interest in truly knowing the people he comes into contact with.

He treats everyone with respect, whether they be the CEO of a company, or the night-shift janitor. If someone disrespects him, he is not afraid to put them in their place and let them know how he feels. He speaks his mind and is not afraid to disagree with others, though he does keep in mind social ettiquette and will not commit a faux pas. He is well read and cultured, and he makes the most of the intelligence he was born with.

He understands how women think, and will not be baffled by behavior that gets most men completely confused. He knows how to please women in bed, and he strives to be the best lover she has ever had, not just to keep her coming back for more, but for his own satisfaction as well. He has the resolve and honesty to clearly let a woman know when a relationship will only be physical. He is also capable of loving deeply and strongly when with the right woman, and he does it without fear.

He knows that if a woman chooses to leave, he can always find another. He also knows how to leave women he no longer chooses to be with so that they can still be friends afterward (should they both choose to.)

Finally he is a man, and is proud of it! Here him roar!

Also, all the above is who he is, all the time. It is not some personality he "turns on" when an attractive woman is near.

 

[The Private Player]

That's exactly what I wanted to come out of this thread.

So to add to that:

He is the father of all players.

(A player matured. The difference is obvious between a player and a don juan. A player is just someone who tries to be with as many girls as he can as "revenge" from a recent heartbreak. So by accident he develops some characteristics of a don juan.)

(The difference between a don juan and a pimp is that obviously a pimp has all these girls not because of his game. He has them because of the promise of money. It all got mixed up because society attached the word pimp to anyone who has many girls. The problem is it doesn't describe How he got those girls or Why they're with him. Not to mention the females a don juan is with are considered "trophies" to the average man but "just another girl" to the don juan. the girls pimps have ..at least the real pimps, are disguisting hors. most of which with a fair amount of std's.)

A don juan is nothing like a pimp. He is in his own category. The highest of categories due to his unmatched skill and astonishing results.

(Yes he recieves gifts and royalties, but not from the result of force. He recieves them from pure skill and did nothing directly obvious to the female to influence it). *The way I meant to say this I can't effectively put into words. ..it'll come to me.

*In response to MrCode's first couple sentences, I completely agree. It's unsettling to realize that they have that power. But at the same time you realize that, you have to also realize they can't ever use that power if you never let them! i find that as excellent inspiration.

What i just wrote isn't in conrete, so i encourage some tweaking. At the end of this thread when I recieve enough input, I want to compile it all into the best definition we can all agree on. If good enough, it just might end up being bible material.

 

[Player_Supreme]

Maybe you guys should write to the dictionary folks and have them change the real meaning of a don juan to this imaginary one you guys are bantering about.

 

[diplomatic_lie]

A DJ is a man who doesn't need to know what a DJ is.

 

[Player_Supreme]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lie
A DJ is a man who doesn't need to know what a DJ is.

If you don't know what one is how will you even know that you have obtained this mythical "I'm a better man" state?

 

[Crank_It_Up]

DON JUAN was a character in a play.... actually, many plays. The first was El Burlador de Sevilla written by Tirso de Molina around 1616.

Don Juan appears as a seducer of women who will tell lies about his wealth, promise marriage, wear a disguise of the girls boyfriend, or do just about any sneaky underhanded trick imaginable to obtain sex and/or love.

But he is not interested in anything but the chase, once he has made his conquest, he is ready to move on.

 

[ER!C L!VE]

Some of you have such a huge desire to belong.

Go join a church and call yourself Hindu or Christian or Mormon or whatever.

geezus - same damn thing, just different names.

Put a label on yourself if it makes you feel any better.

Jock, nerd, goth, 'DJ' (HAHAHA).

Took me a while to figure it out too guys. It's a bullshyt term used by people who feel a need to label themselves. Then, these same guys decided to make a list of rules to which a 'DJ' adhere's.

It's just comical for me to watch now.

I'll just call myself a Player. You can call yourself a 'DJ' if it makes you happy.

 

[diplomatic_lie]

Originally posted by Player_Supreme
If you don't know what one is how will you even know that you have obtained this mythical "I'm a better man" state?

I don't believe in that kind of "state". When I achieve certain "states", I raise my goal another notch.

Life is about continous learning. Nobody ever becomes perfect.

 

[biker_gixxer]

I think women only have the power if you give it to them

Exactly.

believe very much in the David DeAngelo philosophy which basically says a man will always do better if he attracts a woman rather than trying to seduce her. Seduction implies that the woman has something you need, and the only way you can get it is to use some trickery. If you can attract a woman by being confident, charming, ****y & funny, dominant, well-dressed, etc., you won't need to seduce her.

I also believe in what David D. talks about. I've personally had women flirt with 'me' (women who are single, married or with boyfriends) and come on to me by using his methods. Learn to hit that 'attraction' button and the rest will fall into place.

He understands how women think, and will not be baffled by behavior that gets most men completely confused.

I agree.

 

[Sexual]

Don Juan is not about being yourself. And it's certainly not about pretending to be someone that you're not. It's about becoming the person that you want to be. It's about self-improvement and reaching your full potential. It's about feeling good, being happy, and learning new things.

http://www.sosuave.com/articles/whynot.htm

 

[The Private Player]

thanks for that link trippsta. if only JBY meant "just be a man and let your testosterone show a bit" it may be ok but damn that word is evil.

the reason were looking for an acceptable general definition is simply because everyone here claims they are a dj and a lot claim they're not. the problem is since there is no real definition, no one is right, and no one is wrong.

so far, i'm just going to assume that being a dj is being someone who has more skill with women than the average man. and with that skill he has the power to achieve any end result with her as he pleases. whether it be sex, love, or marriage. it's up to him. his skill consists of many many different talents, such as being a challenge, being confident, etc. all of which he outdoes the average man.