young women drive me NUTS

[joekerr31]

younger women didn't use to drive me nuts like they do today.

when I was 30 (im 35 now), 25 year old women seemed mature and what not.

now though... i don't know if there's a new generation, but wow, the 25 year olds today seem to have the maturity of 16 year olds.

they find the dumbest things funny, are in to **** like facebook, and have the ego's the size of mack trucks (you'll never find a 25 year old women today admitting that she's wrong about anything).

the times they are a changing I think

 

[st_99]

and there are plenty of 30 yo women that act this way also.

 

[sodbuster]

Yep, too much real workd and other shows where the young men Kiss their azz.

 

[wait_out]

I went to a Metric concert a while back and something that really struck me was, the focus of a lot of the younger kids at the show was their digital camera and themselves. Same thing out on the town. You can't get away from that sh!t. I'm not sure whether facebook encourages them to form some kind of minor, imitation celebrity culture in their own circles but this is a definite generational split. They are posing 24/7. Hive mind.

This might explain all the attitude because their accomplishments are essentially shallow, and the constant competition and scrutiny makes them insecure. When you've got nothing of substance it's important to put up a good front. When those girls finally burn out at 30+ and need support, we don't want them because we doubt their sincerity.

Joe this is an long essay that pertains to a lot more than just young girls but it describes a cultural shift that's been happening since WW2 across western cultures.

https://campus.fsu.edu/bbcswebdav/users/jastallins/public_htm/courses/research/crapshoot.pdf

Things have changed immensely. I can't imagine its any easier for mature young women either.

 

[SoldMySoul]

I used to think younger women were the only ones crazy or immature, but in my experience, the older they get the worse off they seemed to be. Like a pickling effect on their brain or something.

Another member made a good point on the met edger thread, it was Jayer.. He said let them prove themselves to you.

I do not know if I could handle a 25 y/o acting 16 as dealing with older ones has gotten me jaded on most of them as it is.

 

[grinder]

I went to a Metric concert a while back and something that really struck me was, the focus of a lot of the younger kids at the show was their digital camera and themselves. Same thing out on the town. You can't get away from that sh!t. I'm not sure whether facebook encourages them to form some kind of minor, imitation celebrity culture in their own circles but this is a definite generational split. They are posing 24/7. Hive mind.

This might explain all the attitude because their accomplishments are essentially shallow, and the constant competition and scrutiny makes them insecure. When you've got nothing of substance it's important to put up a good front. When those girls finally burn out at 30+ and need support, we don't want them because we doubt their sincerity.

Joe this is an long essay that pertains to a lot more than just young girls but it describes a cultural shift that's been happening since WW2 across western cultures.

https://campus.fsu.edu/bbcswebdav/users/jastallins/public_htm/courses/research/crapshoot.pdf

Things have changed immensely. I can't imagine its any easier for mature young women either.

Nice link wait out. What it points out, essentially, is there is nothing new under the sun. Faux celebrity, attention wh0ring, and the pretense of being “important” have always been around.

The brilliance of social media is it lets everyone pretend to be a rock star. It taps the AW’ing piece of young women’s personalities.

I think, however, that the internet, blogging, and social media have tapped this vein so deeply that many fail to differentiate it from reality….in a sense it has become a replacement for reality.

And hence, the behaviour described by joe.

 

[dark god]

the times they are a changing I think

The times are not changing, they HAVE changed. Stay alert my friend

 

[romangod]

The times are not changing, they HAVE changed. Stay alert my friend

Yes, the times have changed. Everything is backwards yet it is called "progress".

Society proclaims its freedom yet everywhere people are slaves to their egotistical desires. We have denounced our spirit and left the door open for the Devil (metaphor) to roam freely and cause havoc in our lives.

I pity the younger generation. They are bombarded with conflicting messages which are like an addictive drug. Before they know it, they're hooked on some bad mojo which is slowly killing them spiritually and in some cases physically.

Only the few that are capable of critical thinking will be spared. The rest will stumble through life in an unconscious state in pursuit of the next "fix" for their misery.

Young women are more prone to fall into the trap than men. They are ruled by their emotions and critical thinking is only for the esoteric few of their gender that are smart enough to realize it.

The weaker men will follow them into the abyss buying into the myth. They think they are seeking "love" when they're really seeking to satisfy themselves by the egotistical pursuit of pvssy.

Before they know it, they're an empty suit of armor rattling around in life wondering what went wrong.

What went wrong is that they were led by "pvssy" while they followed. It's not suppose to be this way whatever the propaganda tries to tell you.

Cheers!

 

[wait_out]

The archetype of the player is the mythological trickster: the Greek god Hermes and the Norse god Loki. Krishna stealing the clothes of the bathing milkmaids. Apollo collecting his bet by skinning a satyr alive. All gods are players to some extent because they get away with things we can't. The joys of the flesh are theirs without the conditions. Matter is no object.

The most unplayerly of the Olympians is Hephaistos, god of the forge, worker and cripple, whose wife, Aphrodite, cavorts with the god of war. The combined weight of all the political treatises ever written does not outweigh the symbolism of this triad. "The Greeks knew about art and sport, but not about work," Simone Weil writes, but a people can still intuit what they do not know. Hephaistos is the intuition of what it means to work in a society where players reign.

This should be revelatory.

I'm not usually a big fan of 'one-unifying-theory-of-everything', but this explains so much about dating now -- from why girls call normal guys creepy, to modern me-me-me feminism, to the strawman nice guy 'TM' argument and why those guys end up so hostile.

Lets not get into the economic collapse, corruption run amok in the US or celebrity culture (Brangelina are not fcking Africa experts) but this has pretty grave implications if we're not just hypersensitive to this trend.

I'd like to write an essay about this and get it published. I've got to say being reg force army can gives me culture shock sometimes about how different 'regular life' is. Especially dating.

 

[Jitterbug]

I'm much closer to their age than you are, joekerr, and I can't stand them most of the time either, esp when they're in a group and talk a lot.

wait_out got it nailed: their achievements are shallow and so have to put up an attitude to hide their emptiness. The mid-20s girls' typical "achievements" are partying hard, reading some waste-of-time books and travelling to the usual parts of the world to take photos of how other people live their lives.

 

[joekerr31]

The mid-20s girls' typical "achievements" are partying hard, reading some waste-of-time books and travelling to the usual parts of the world to take photos of how other people live their lives.

this is another thing i've noticed about these women... they seem to travel a lot.

when i was 25 (which isn't all that long ago), people had traveled but not that much.

these 'kids' seem to be going to some unique place every year and then spend the rest of the year talking about their travel to bangkok or some other 'interesting' place.

and its almost like they see travelling as some form of accomplishment. I mean, anyone can get on a plane and book in to a hotel - it doesn't make you special because you went to bangkok.

and yet in their mind it's almost like they are somehow better because they've been somewhere others havent.

and i 100% agree with the earlier comment of these chics seeing themselves as almost 'amature internet stars' as a result of facebook. constantly taking photos of themselves and trying to impress others who are watching them on the internet.

we've created quite the vapid generation.

 

[squirrels]

this is another thing i've noticed about these women... they seem to travel a lot.

when i was 25 (which isn't all that long ago), people had traveled but not that much.

these 'kids' seem to be going to some unique place every year and then spend the rest of the year talking about their travel to bangkok or some other 'interesting' place.

and its almost like they see travelling as some form of accomplishment. I mean, anyone can get on a plane and book in to a hotel - it doesn't make you special because you went to bangkok.

and yet in their mind it's almost like they are somehow better because they've been somewhere others havent.

and i 100% agree with the earlier comment of these chics seeing themselves as almost 'amature internet stars' as a result of facebook. constantly taking photos of themselves and trying to impress others who are watching them on the internet.

we've created quite the vapid generation.

Yes...yes we have.

This is the result of a society that has told their children that they are all "beautiful little butterflies" and that everything they do is wonderful and fascinating and noteworthy.

Men eventually outgrow it...well, most do to some extent, when society starts telling them that they're not kids any more and starts focusing on what they've DONE.

Women...they are baby-dolls all their lives. Everyone wants to see what they're doing every minute of their lives, regardless of how "interesting" it is.

A lot of this is due to the glorification of the female sexuality through pornography. Remember, in our parents' generation, buying "porn" was an embarassing proposition. You had to either ask the guy to give you a dirty mag from one side of the counter, or if you wanted video, you had to go to one of "THOSE places".

Now you can just log on to any computer and there it is. And RIDICULOUS fetish crap too. Not even SEXUAL stuff. I messed around with a girl once who ran a website that showed pictures of women getting their cars stuck in the mud. Not even naked...just women getting stuck. And dudes paid money to jerk it to this!

That's just it these days...women are adored JUST FOR EXISTING. They are pedestalled from day one as kids and as they mature, they blossom sexually and CONTINUE to be pedstalled by men who will pay money just for a GLIMPSE of "what she's doing".

It's like they believe it's their purpose in life to entertain sappy men. They post some picture on their FaceBook of them partying and wait for the comments. Not just from their friends, but from all the gay dudes who, instead of being out climbing mountains and building bridges, are hanging out on FaceBook posting comments like, "Looking good, girl!" 500 "friends" and she doesn't know 400 of them. But they feed her with attention and validate her pathetic existence.

They used to "hit the wall" at about 35, when they started getting old and their looks started to fade a little. Now we have MILFs and G-MILFs and all this other nonsense. See...even if she's married and has kids, she can parade herself in front of the camera and be "sexy" and her husband, sappy POS that he is, just lets her do it and eats it up. "Oh baby, you're so hot. I'm so lucky to have you". Then she gets divorced because she was cheating on him and all of a sudden she's adored for being a "strong single mother". What has she done to earn this praise? Made a mistake, married the wrong dude, brought a kid into the world, then gave that kid a broken home, and society LOVES her. Men call her a MILF, women praise her "strength". Pics go up on the damn FaceBook and comments about how much "I love my baby" and she's a goddam hero.

These women grew up watching women like Britney Spears and Paris Hilton as they got out of their limos and the world watched. "What's she doing now? OMG!!"

Why was Paris Hilton a star, anyway? Anyone remember? Oh yeah, some dumb night-vision BJ video. She was a sexual train-wreck ready to happen.

Here's the interesting paradox. The media had found someone that suddenly garnered a lot of interest from both men AND women. BUT because of the FCC, they couldn't put much focus on WHY she was interesting. (mainly because she was a spoiled rich girl who loved to f*ck) So they glorified her in celebrity culture for NO GOOD REASON. Everyone from our generation knew why she got attention, but the media did its best to make us FORGET that and instead propped people like her up as "wonderful" for NO REASON.

So it wasn't Paris Hilton, but the glam media fabrication surrounding her, the "straw-man Paris", that became the role-model for a generation of young women. It became their ultimate goal to "be watched by the world for any and no reason".

And then came MySpace and FaceBook. Suddenly, they had their own personal online media outlet, where all they needed was a 5-megapixel camera and suddenly they could ALL be starlets-for-nothing.

And why don't women grow out of this and become "interesting"? Because for some reason, people insist on reinforcing that they ARE "interesting", even when they're not. Men insist on acting as though they're "interested" in what women do because they think it'll give them a better chance of getting in her pants. (it won't) But they can't "make a move", because that would be "dirty". So they just sit and dote aimlessly hoping one day they'll get a glimpse of (.)(.) to satisfy their vapid lives. And other women...they measure each other's success in terms of the aesthetic value and variety of pictures on their FaceBook pages. Thus the desire to travel and get as many pics in as many countries in as many bars with as many random dudes as possible.

A rich tapestry of bullsh*t.

The problem is that no one has the balls any more to tell the empresses that they have no clothes.

This is what's been propped up by an entire generation that was fed garbage by the media and the entertainment industries and doesn't have the sense to throw it back up and get real.

 

[DMSR76]

Good post, squirrels. LOL, Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Luthor Rex]

I used to think younger women were the only ones crazy or immature, but in my experience, the older they get the worse off they seemed to be. Like a pickling effect on their brain or something.

:yes: :yes: :yes:

 

[zekko]

lie your ass off to make sure she hears what she needs to hear to have sex

I've never been one to lie to women, never found it necessary and probably wouldn't feel comfortable with it. Never even thought about it really. However, just out of curiousity, what is it that you tell them that they think they need to hear?

That's just it these days...women are adored JUST FOR EXISTING. They are pedestalled from day one as kids and as they mature, they blossom sexually and CONTINUE to be pedstalled by men who will pay money just for a GLIMPSE of "what she's doing".

Things are probably worse now than ever with the way sexuality is pushed in the culture, even from a very young age. But for the most part, there's nothing new here. Women have always been pedastalled for their beauty. And you can't blame them for focusing on their beauty as a big part of their value, because if you read this forum regularly, you'll know that beauty IS the biggest part of their value.

 

[squirrels]

Women don't LEARN to be sexy any more, because they're taught that they're sexy just by virtue of existing.

I can agree with what you're saying, but what I'M saying is that if the hunt takes extra effort and the prey provides very meager satisfaction, it's often not worth exerting the energy.

I can't lie to a chick just to get in her pants. It's just not me.

I have a buddy who can do that and who gets laid like a champ. But he hates his life and would give up on women if he wasn't so hooked on the affection.

For me, it's always been a kind of mutual brinkmanship, a "mating dance", if you will. I play my part and she plays her part, and we're both working toward a common goal. I want to take her and she wants to be taken, and we engage in a battle of wills, a kind of emotional negotiation until it happens in a way that meets BOTH of our requirements.

If I wanted a "warm hole" and nothing else...you can buy that. It's the thrill of the hunt that I enjoy. That, to me, is "game"...engaging a woman sexually and playing the game. And most women today just don't care enough to learn how to be a thrilling hunt.

It's like I said...they've taken the "sex" out of "sexy". Being "sexy" has become the most platonic thing in the world. Girls walk around wearing bare midriffs and short-shorts with the word "Juicy" or "Pink" across the arse and to them, they may as well be in burkhas, because while they're dressing "sexy", they don't feel "sexy", and SEX is the furthest thing from their minds.

Before, women went out to nightclubs with the INTENTION of meeting men...not overtly, but because they wanted the thrill of being the "prey" for some dashing hunter. Now they go out dressed as "prey", but have no interest in the chase. They dress "sexy" because "sexy" is the fashion, not because they are sexual creatures. Lots of them take their boyfriends or husbands out WITH them! To the club!!

Hell with that. I won't waste my time trying to convince a woman that it's a "good idea" to hook up with me.

I prefer the girls who aren't afraid to put the "sex" in "sexy". You don't have to "convince" them of anything. You just have to facilitate their indiscretions.

Just my take on "game". If you can spin lies and not get caught in them, and that works for you, then go for it. It's certainly valid. I just never felt right doing it. To me, then, it's not really "ME" she's sleeping with.

But then again, young girls...if you make decent money, you've ALREADY got more than any guy her age has.

 

[Jitterbug]

Rescue Mission missed the point of the thread.

Those young women are my bread & butter. Getting them into bed (& related skills) has nothing to do with my getting annoyed and turned off by their typical behaviours.

It's like I said...they've taken the "sex" out of "sexy". Being "sexy" has become the most platonic thing in the world. Girls walk around wearing bare midriffs and short-shorts with the word "Juicy" or "Pink" across the arse and to them, they may as well be in burkhas, because while they're dressing "sexy", they don't feel "sexy", and SEX is the furthest thing from their minds.

Good observation! I can tell this by their body language, being a dance performer. Most of those girls dress up in sexy clothing but look awkward in them, don't comprehend why they're wearing them, what particular sexy personae they're portraying.

 

[RMM]

You know, this has really hit it home for me:

"this is another thing i've noticed about these women... they seem to travel a lot. "

I've noticed that they don't really travel as much as just go visit a place for a few days to take the mandatory pictures (one of which is always an "OMG they eat this stuff!" picture, always), have a ****tail at whatever trendy place was on the travel magazine, and that's it.

It's interesting because I love traveling. But you see, I actually enjoy knowing the different cultures and peoples; so, when I travel, what I do is find a new job and move to a new country, where I can live and learn about not just the country I live in, but the surrounding ones too (that kinda went a bit South with New Zealand; I mean, New Zealand is great, but I'm bloody far away from everything).

When a woman says she likes traveling, I've found that she doesn't really like going to new places per se, she's just enamoured with the idea of traveling, as in "oh I'm so glamorously adventurous, I'm like, totally in a plane, omg!" The result is that their conversations about the places they've traveled to can be exhausted in less than five minutes.

And when they're done with their five minutes of fame, they look at you like a puppy waiting for a treat. Praise me dammit, I'm a strong independent woman!

For some reason, they don't like it when I play their five minute exposition as superficial and shallow by talking about something closer to real travel, not just a shopping trip with funny-looking people on the other side of the counter. This is a double-whammy when their place in question is somewhere I've actually been to and know better than her; happens a lot with Brazil for some reason.

 

[Luthor Rex]

It's like I said...they've taken the "sex" out of "sexy". Being "sexy" has become the most platonic thing in the world. Girls walk around wearing bare midriffs and short-shorts with the word "Juicy" or "Pink" across the arse and to them, they may as well be in burkhas, because while they're dressing "sexy", they don't feel "sexy", and SEX is the furthest thing from their minds.

This is an absolutely brilliant observation I wish more people would wake up to.

It kind of goes back to when Pook talked about the desexualization of our culture. It took me a long time to understand what he meant, but now I see it and agree.