Young people in Japan no longer like sex

[n00bPimp]

Interesting article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

To a certain degree I can understand why. When you have porn you dont need to deal with the emotional roller coaster that a woman can bring, and when a woman realizes she doesnt need a guy for economic support, she can go have fun with her friends and forget about sex.
Is this whats coming to the US?

 

[f283000]

To a certain degree I can understand why. When you have porn you dont need to deal with the emotional roller coaster that a woman can bring, and when a woman realizes she doesnt need a guy for economic support, she can go have fun with her friends and forget about sex.
Is this whats coming to the US?

Maybe but it will take a log longer to get to their point. The reason I say this is because the U.S. is a melting pot of ethnicities unlike Japan which is mostly just 1 group. If the U.S. was mostly just white people then I would say it would end up like Japan (because white birthrates are already low). The U.S. has a lot of different groups that have high birthrates (latino, blacks) so it will be more difficult to end up like Japan. It might take several generations. Another thing is that U.S. culture seems to be obsessed with sex. This is a very "horny" country lol.

However, I do see the U.S. becoming more like Japan because it is suffering from the same things. Porn addiction, lack of employment security, feminism and career minded women who don't want children etc.

Now something new has hit the U.S. which is young adults going back to live with their parents, or staying to live with their parents longer. Because of the economy and the high cost of living it is becoming more and more difficult for young adults to live on their own. The economy is not getting any better and you will see more and more young adults living with their parents in order to survive.

Young adults living with their parents is a common trait in countries that have low birthrates like Japan and most of Europe. In fact the article mentions this.

 

[Fatal Jay]

Japan and China are far beyond us in thinking. America is ruled by sex, which is sad.

 

[Wolfgang D]

Interesting article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

To a certain degree I can understand why. When you have porn you dont need to deal with the emotional roller coaster that a woman can bring, and when a woman realizes she doesnt need a guy for economic support, she can go have fun with her friends and forget about sex.
Is this whats coming to the US?

East Asians have the lowest testosterone. That is a definite factor in wanting less sex.

What they have in Japan, also, is a culture of intense studies, and young people are strongly discouraged from being sidetracked by frivolous relationships. Women also don't want to get married because they don't want to end their careers by becoming a housewife, or having the career stifled by time off for children if they keep working. (As the article also says. Around 70% of Japanese women leave work after their first child. Young women today want to avoid that.)

They also have many people who become obsessed with various interests. The "otaku" are the extreme example. But a lot of other young guys also focus on playing computer games, without being as extreme as the otaku. Incidentally, this happens in Chinese universities too, something I have heard from female Chinese students: "I can't find a boyfriend, all the guys at my university play computer games during the breaks."

Not to mention that ... well ... if you have seen Japanese porn movies, you will know that the men have bodies like fetuses. If it was just a few men in the movies that looked bad, that would be one thing, but when it is one hundred percent of them that is a definite sign of the way things are. Because of the lower testosterone and because of genetics they have more trouble building a good physique, but also, they don't appear to have much focus on working out. That can't be very exciting for the young girls.

But the main reason why the number of single households is increasing now, in the past fifteen years, is because of Japan's bad economy. The government bought voters by promising them all sorts of economic benefits, and by subsidizing industries so that people would never lose their jobs. This led to a frozen economy that couldn't adapt to either short-term business cycles or long-term trends. They borrowed more and more to pay for the economic goodies, but it didn't help. Japan's national debt is now about twice that of their GDP, which saddles the government with paying ever-increasing interest on the loans.

But even though the political party that had held power for the entire post-war era finally lost the election some years ago, the new party didn't change much. People know the economy needs to change, but whenever a particular benefit is brought up no one wants to lose it. And the enormous and powerful government bureaucracy resists any change. The bureaucrats have more power than the politicians who rely on them to get anything done.

With an economy that never improves, it is a given that young people can't afford to start a family.

Take note, Americans. This is your economy in the future.

 

[f283000]

Japan and China are far beyond us in thinking. America is ruled by sex, which is sad.

You are right in a way. To be fair to Japan their current situation is in some ways better than that of sex obsessed America.

For one thing you don't see the problem of children being born out of wedlock and single mothers all over the place as we have here in America.

But having a society full of 30+ year old men who have never touched a woman and spend their free time masturbating to anime THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING!

Sure that happens in America as well, but at least our men want women which is why the PUA industry is so big here. The picture the article paints of Japan is that men can't be bothered getting involved with women. To men and women over there getting into a relationship with the opposite sex is seen as a nuisance of sorts and that is not healthy.

 

[Fatal Jay]

^
America just as worst. Think about all those fetish type of porn like the ones where women are chained up, or the kind where women have sex with animals.

People from Japan use their brains, in the end power > sex.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Its a sad fact that American men are too poor or stupid to take advantage of this situation.

 

[Wolfgang D]

You are right in a way. To be fair to Japan their current situation is in some ways better than that of sex obsessed America.

For one thing you don't see the problem of children being born out of wedlock and single mothers all over the place as we have here in America.

But having a society full of 30+ year old men who have never touched a woman and spend their free time masturbating to anime THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING!

Sure that happens in America as well, but at least our men want women which is why the PUA industry is so big here. The picture the article paints of Japan is that men can't be bothered getting involved with women. To men and women over there getting into a relationship with the opposite sex is seen as a nuisance of sorts and that is not healthy.

To be fair, it isn't all the Japanese. The story says one third of people under thirty haven't dated. The economic downturn strikes hard and the men can't offer the women a home and a car.

The anime thing is actually exaggerated. When Japanese watch porn, it is usually not cartoons. A Japanese girl told me that she was surprised seeing so much anime in the West, she said it seems we watch it more than the Japanese do, which was a surprise to hear. I do think they watch it more than we do, but probably not as much as we imagine. (And let's also note that there is a vast difference between different types of anime. Some is really awkward to watch, while some is for adults. They simply choose to make stories in animated form because it is cost-efficient. And because they want the characters to look White, I suspect.)

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

There's a lot of reasons for this.

Some random reasons off the top of my head, from my daily experiences here:

1) low testosterone to start with

2) most young people are broke

3) young Japanese males are very feminine (herbivore male)

4) if you want to bang, and you don't have your own place, you've got to go to a "love hotel," which run $50-$100 for one night.

5) a HUGE percentage (double digits) of young girls do what's called "paid dating," where they go with older guys for money.

6) Many of the over 30 guys that I know, even the married dudes with family, are about as horn doggy as you can get, but they only use pros. Every time they travel to another city on business, it's game on.

7) Demographic shift, which happens in ALL post industrial countries, (lower marriage rate, rates of reproduction, etc), is a bit more accelerated in Japan and has been for a long while. As is Japan's economic collapse. This isn't anything new.

8) I don't see that young folks here are uninterested in sex, girls are still easy to game, and they still ARE game, but most young guys here HAVE no game.

9) The sex industry here is as thriving as ever, and even in small towns there's plenty of "pink salons." I live in a city of 500,000 and there's at least a hundred shops dedicated to some kind of sex (hostess clubs, snack clubs, outright BJ bars, underground brothels, etc)

10) there's really not much of the stereotypical "career woman," here as in the west, and many of the ladies who quit after having their first kid do it because they want to, not because they have to. For young Japanese girls, there' still a majority that want to be housewives, and are pissed when they end up having to work for a living. (Unless they're gunning for traditional female jobs like stewardesses or something)


In summary, I don't think "uninterested" is the right word to use. If guys had willing females handy (that they weren't terrified of talking to), and some money to spend, they'd be plenty interested.

Men are NOT consciously choosing to NOT have sex, meaning they aren't GIVING UP any clear opportunities.

They (young men) just pretty much suck at it, and they got no money, and no economic future.

But they certainly wouldn't turn down sex if it was offered to them.

It always cracks me up with MGTOW movement types will point to Japanese "herbivore males" as some kind of leading example.

These guys are DESPERATE for sex, money, etc. They just don't know how to get it.

 

[LiveFreeX]

AND, man I was living there four or five years ago and I used to breakdance with a crew of guys in the bullet train hall in Utsunomiya. Anyway, these bunch of guys were the most....er... stylish/fashionable/metro-sexual type guys I'd ever met. One of them, I couldn't tell if he was a man or an ugly chick, turned out to be a man. But this ghetto-flake-wannabe american jap girl hung out with us and asked for my phone once. It floored the lot of them and they were all 'bad guys'. She was ugly as sh1t but they were all impressed.

So yeah I think there is probably something to that. Was also not as easy picking up girls as it is here in China. Walk up to a girl in Japan and she'll take off down the street. Walk towards a girl in China and she'll walk up to you and ask you for your number. I guess that's why there are 1.6 billion of them now. Horny girls.

 

[Wolfgang D]

Men are NOT consciously choosing to NOT have sex, meaning they aren't GIVING UP any clear opportunities.

They (young men) just pretty much suck at it, and they got no money, and no economic future.

I have to say, out of pure sympathy, that is sad to hear. Imagine being in that situation and seeing no way out.

 

[f283000]

So yeah I think there is probably something to that. Was also not as easy picking up girls as it is here in China. Walk up to a girl in Japan and she'll take off down the street. Walk towards a girl in China and she'll walk up to you and ask you for your number.

Livefree, is this common for all men in China or just foreigners?

Everyone knows about the foreigner bonus (specially if white skinned) in the developing countries in Asia. So i'm guessing that is what you're getting in China. From what i've read the foreigner bonus isn't as big in more developed countries like Japan/Korea.

In developing countries in Asia having a foreigner is seen as stepping up for women, while in developed countries like Japan/Korea they don't see it that way. I read that Korean men are specially pissy about foreigners getting involved with their women.

Originally Posted by taiyuu_otoko
Men are NOT consciously choosing to NOT have sex, meaning they aren't GIVING UP any clear opportunities.

They (young men) just pretty much suck at it, and they got no money, and no economic future.

Thanks for your input. It's illuminating to have someone that truly knows what's going on in Japan to give us his insight.

You did mention low testosterone and I can't help but mention that as a reason why I don't think the USA will end up like Japan... just yet.

I think the current young generation that's still not out of high school might end up like Japan. They grew up with porn, the internet and video games being norm plus they will inherit an economy with no jobs.

Guys in my generation looked forward to getting a girlfriend. When done with school for the day they looked forward to going to see friends and hanging out outside the house. The internet was just getting big it didn't consume us like it does this current generation most didn't even have it or use it much (this is the mid 90's).

This generation I can see the differences. Why go through the trouble of getting a girlfriend when you have free porn everywhere? Why go outside and play with friends after school when you got playstation and xbox and you can keep up with friends on facebook? You got so many other things that preoccupy their minds as opposed to going outside the house and being social/trying to meet women, and you add on the real possibility of having to live with their parents after graduating from college because there are no jobs.

Things will get bad over here...

 

[n00bPimp]

Guys in my generation looked forward to getting a girlfriend. When done with school for the day they looked forward to going to see friends and hanging out outside the house. The internet was just getting big it didn't consume us like it does this current generation most didn't even have it or use it much (this is the mid 90's).

This generation I can see the differences. Why go through the trouble of getting a girlfriend when you have free porn everywhere? Why go outside and play with friends after school when you got playstation and xbox and you can keep up with friends on facebook? You got so many other things that preoccupy their minds as opposed to going outside the house and being social/trying to meet women, and you add on the real possibility of having to live with their parents after graduating from college because there are no jobs.

Yes I remember getting a drivers license used to be an exciting moment for teens right next to getting laid, now its getting video game medals or getting the newest gaming system.

 

[LiveFreeX]

f2: That's a foreigner perk dude. Asian dating culture is some weird intricate dance of red tape and business deals. If you are a foreigner be it white,black, ABC, CBC...whatever, you've got a better shot than a guy from China just because you don't buy into the house/car culture. That's generally why all the foreigners here can close deals within a few hours while it takes the average Chinese guy like 6 months.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

f2: That's a foreigner perk dude. Asian dating culture is some weird intricate dance of red tape and business deals. If you are a foreigner be it white,black, ABC, CBC...whatever, you've got a better shot than a guy from China just because you don't buy into the house/car culture. That's generally why all the foreigners here can close deals within a few hours while it takes the average Chinese guy like 6 months.

I think a lot of foreign guys in Asian countries fit into the same mental category of "vacation guys" and therefore don't really "count."

Picking up girls is one thing, but having her take you home to meet the parents is something else entirely.

 

[f283000]

LivefreeX, so you're in south China atm?? Do you mind if I send you a pm one of these days? (I actually have been looking into going to China for a few years and did a lot of research on it).

I think a lot of foreign guys in Asian countries fit into the same mental category of "vacation guys" and therefore don't really "count."

Just so I understand (maybe you or livefree can explain). So you're saying that asian women don't care about giving themselves up to foreign guys because they are just there for a short time (most of them) and they'll be gone soon? So that in their mind justifies their actions?

Picking up girls is one thing, but having her take you home to meet the parents is something else entirely.

I really doubt about 99.9% of the foreign guys in asia care. I have a feeling "meeting the parents" is the least of their worries or desires

Most will be gone soon enough. The ones that do stay end up marrying some gorgeous women from what I've seen. I have never seen as many mismatches in terms of looks as I have seen with foreign guys with asian women over there.

I've seen pictures of some really ugly looking fellas (not hating on the fellas just comparing them to the women they're marrying) out there with georgeous asian females. You just don't see the Brad Pitt types marrying the women over there it seems

I'm happy for them these men are smart. In Asia men are still #1 (and foreign guys even more so it seems).

 

[LiveFreeX]

So you're saying that asian women don't care about giving themselves up to foreign guys because they are just there for a short time (most of them) and they'll be gone soon

Whoa Whoa Whoa, that's not what I said. I think Asian women like the exotic features and culture, it keeps the relationship fresh and interesting all the time. Our attitudes and ways of looking at things clash and collide in lots of interesting ways. I'm never bored of my wife and I never get tired of looking at her eyes, they are slanted, her face is very oriental and very alluring.

Most guys, I know, with foreign women are here for the long haul. In fact, either the foreigner is here permanently or the relationship is, I don't know any *****mongers, if you are looking for that kind of info you can go check up on that Taiwanese Rat, Winston Wu (www.happierabroad.com)

Yeah you are welcome to PM me.