Warboss Alex
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F-ck. 4000 kcals? The thought of that makes me hungry, I need to eat again ..
You really do have to EAT
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Home-made shake that gets me 1200 kcals that I drink through the day.
A load of nuts rationed out into bowls gets picked at through the day as well. A bowl contains 800kcals worth of nuts - and I always get through the whole bowl.
That being said, I'm probably over 4000kcal atm.
*munches some peanuts...* :woo:
P.S: Yes I'm not on a clean bulk. If you're bulking properly and for maximal gains, you'll get a gut. You're a man, not a woman, so live with it
A load of nuts rationed out into bowls gets picked at through the day as well. A bowl contains 800kcals worth of nuts - and I always get through the whole bowl.
That being said, I'm probably over 4000kcal atm.
*munches some peanuts...* :woo:
P.S: Yes I'm not on a clean bulk. If you're bulking properly and for maximal gains, you'll get a gut. You're a man, not a woman, so live with it
LOL. In all fairness though 'footy' players (and I'm talking AFL here) are not built for strength and power, they're built for speed and endurance - with a bit of muscularity to absorb a few hits. The average player will cover about 15km during the course of a single game. Try doing that at 120kg...
Thank you Un-Aru!
Still you definitely need to be able to take a hit. My perception is different because I want to bigger, not some kind of freakishly huge body builder, which I'm sure lots of you here are. I constantly refer to my kind of footy because that is what I want to play and be fit for. We run but there is still a hell of a lot of hard tackling. hold the ball for a second too long and your gone, and will be feeling it a few days later. And I play under 15s! (Oh and we don’t take steroids either...)
We think Americans are pussies because they have 10 layers of padding in their football. Rugby players have played Aussie Rules and have been **** scared too because of the thought of being tackled from behind (doesn't happen in rugby).
Still you definitely need to be able to take a hit. My perception is different because I want to bigger, not some kind of freakishly huge body builder, which I'm sure lots of you here are.
I constantly refer to my kind of footy because that is what I want to play and be fit for. We run but there is still a hell of a lot of hard tackling. hold the ball for a second too long and your gone, and will be feeling it a few days later. And I play under 15s! (Oh and we don’t take steroids either...)We think Americans are pussies because they have 10 layers of padding in their football. Rugby players have played Aussie Rules and have been **** scared too because of the thought of being tackled from behind (doesn't happen in rugby).
No worries Haboob... although I must say you'll never convince me that AFL hits are anywhere near as full-on as those in rugby or rugby league.
I'm a big advocate of 'sport specificity,' that is gearing your training to the sport that you play. Now if your 'sport' is to look good then all power to you, bulk hard and then cut up, it's quite a simple concept, though it takes a degree of dedication.
HOWEVER, for those of you looking to bulk up or get stronger to be better at your chosen sport things are not so simple. If you're mid-season bulking hard and fast will likely result in a subtle change in your biomechanics. (the way your body moves) Your frame isn't used to the sudden increase in weight, sport specific movements will seem somehow slower or not as efficient, you may find you lose some acceleration and agility and you may find you fatigue easier, particularly when it comes to endurance type exercises. ALSO there is a point at which your frame cannot efficiently support the mass it's carrying, even if you're at 6% BF. For everybody it's different and basically depends on your skeletal structure. In general, the larger the skeleton, the more mass you can effectively carry.
Case and point... I know my optimum playing weight is around 84kg. (I'm about 5'10'') At that weight (8% BF) I could bench 140kg, squat 160kg and run 100m in around 11 secs. I have also played rugby at 86kg (again 8% BF) The difference was amazing, I felt so sluggish on the field. I could bench 160kg and squat 180kg but my speed, acceleration, agility and endurance all suffered. And believe me, when you're up against a few All Blacks (if you know your rugby) you need to be on top of your game.
How many sports stars have tried to 'bulk up' to get a competitive edge only to drop out of contention because their game turned to total sh*t?
When it comes to competitive sport, bigger and stronger is not necessarily better. If that were the case every professional sports player would be gargantuan. In professional sport, skill and ability is most important.
I'm a big advocate of 'sport specificity,' that is gearing your training to the sport that you play. Now if your 'sport' is to look good then all power to you, bulk hard and then cut up, it's quite a simple concept, though it takes a degree of dedication.
HOWEVER, for those of you looking to bulk up or get stronger to be better at your chosen sport things are not so simple. If you're mid-season bulking hard and fast will likely result in a subtle change in your biomechanics. (the way your body moves) Your frame isn't used to the sudden increase in weight, sport specific movements will seem somehow slower or not as efficient, you may find you lose some acceleration and agility and you may find you fatigue easier, particularly when it comes to endurance type exercises. ALSO there is a point at which your frame cannot efficiently support the mass it's carrying, even if you're at 6% BF. For everybody it's different and basically depends on your skeletal structure. In general, the larger the skeleton, the more mass you can effectively carry.
Case and point... I know my optimum playing weight is around 84kg. (I'm about 5'10'') At that weight (8% BF) I could bench 140kg, squat 160kg and run 100m in around 11 secs. I have also played rugby at 86kg (again 8% BF) The difference was amazing, I felt so sluggish on the field. I could bench 160kg and squat 180kg but my speed, acceleration, agility and endurance all suffered. And believe me, when you're up against a few All Blacks (if you know your rugby) you need to be on top of your game.
How many sports stars have tried to 'bulk up' to get a competitive edge only to drop out of contention because their game turned to total sh*t?
When it comes to competitive sport, bigger and stronger is not necessarily better. If that were the case every professional sports player would be gargantuan. In professional sport, skill and ability is most important.
I never said they were Un-Aru
You see right now I'm very skinny. I can't sprint really fast but because I'm unfit my endurance is poor. I completely agree with you but because I'm so damn skinny (and unfit anyway) I doubt i would be affected by putting on some muscle (and at the same time I would be aiming to get fitter too). Since I only do bodyweight exercises I doubt it would ever be a problem anyway.
Still I don't just do it for sport (although that is part), I do it because I'm sick of being the skinny guy. I'm starting to run/jog but if I was only aiming to get better at footy I would just do fitness work.Oh and we are in the off season at the moment of course.
Anyway enough about me. You really seem to know your stuff. Just out of curiosity who are you and where do you live? Sounds to me like you are a professional rugby player
You see right now I'm very skinny. I can't sprint really fast but because I'm unfit my endurance is poor. I completely agree with you but because I'm so damn skinny (and unfit anyway) I doubt i would be affected by putting on some muscle (and at the same time I would be aiming to get fitter too). Since I only do bodyweight exercises I doubt it would ever be a problem anyway.
Still I don't just do it for sport (although that is part), I do it because I'm sick of being the skinny guy. I'm starting to run/jog but if I was only aiming to get better at footy I would just do fitness work.Oh and we are in the off season at the moment of course.
Anyway enough about me. You really seem to know your stuff. Just out of curiosity who are you and where do you live? Sounds to me like you are a professional rugby player
Hahaha professional? No matey, I grew up in New Zealand and moved to Australia just over a year ago. Too many injuries and trying to manage a bad case of osteitis pubis for the last 8 years has probably stopped me from reaching full potential. Watch that particular syndrome, it's fairly common in footy players and if you let it go on (as I did) it'll wreck any sports career you aspire to.
Back home I was a provincial (equivalent to state) rep in all the codes: rugby, rugby league and touch rugby through the age grades. Then the osteitis pubis set in and serious full contact was just out of the question, without the aid of painkillers, which after 2 years I decided wasn't doing my body any good in the long term. During that time though I was still playing club rugby (which is tough in the first division provinces) so got to play both alongside and against some of the All Blacks of the past, a good experience indeed.
The injury seems to be clearing and I'm playing touch rugby again at a full-on level which is good. If things continue to improve I might see how I go this year at rugby. It has been a while though...
If you are skinny then there'll be no problem stacking on the weight. My suggestion though, which flies in the face of 'bulking theory' is to do the endurance work as well. The start of the AFL season is a little too close now and endurance is THE key element for that sport. This way:
1. your body will constantly adapt to the increase in mass so your basic biomechanics will stay the same. (Key note for beginners: UNLESS you are actively seeking to change a particular biomechanical movement eg. sprint drills, tennis serve etc. changes in biomechanics usually results in poor performance and/or injuries)
2. you won't be behind the 8-ball in terms off fitness when the season begins.
3. You may actually find that your bodyfat actually drops as well instead of increasing as is normal in a bulking cycle.
The downside is that you won't get as many gains as you would if you just concentrated on increasing mass. You just have to decide where your priorities lie...
Back home I was a provincial (equivalent to state) rep in all the codes: rugby, rugby league and touch rugby through the age grades. Then the osteitis pubis set in and serious full contact was just out of the question, without the aid of painkillers, which after 2 years I decided wasn't doing my body any good in the long term. During that time though I was still playing club rugby (which is tough in the first division provinces) so got to play both alongside and against some of the All Blacks of the past, a good experience indeed.
The injury seems to be clearing and I'm playing touch rugby again at a full-on level which is good. If things continue to improve I might see how I go this year at rugby. It has been a while though...
If you are skinny then there'll be no problem stacking on the weight. My suggestion though, which flies in the face of 'bulking theory' is to do the endurance work as well. The start of the AFL season is a little too close now and endurance is THE key element for that sport. This way:
1. your body will constantly adapt to the increase in mass so your basic biomechanics will stay the same. (Key note for beginners: UNLESS you are actively seeking to change a particular biomechanical movement eg. sprint drills, tennis serve etc. changes in biomechanics usually results in poor performance and/or injuries)
2. you won't be behind the 8-ball in terms off fitness when the season begins.
3. You may actually find that your bodyfat actually drops as well instead of increasing as is normal in a bulking cycle.
The downside is that you won't get as many gains as you would if you just concentrated on increasing mass. You just have to decide where your priorities lie...
Thanks, that was what I was planning to do. At my age just bulking up would be hard, and basically impossible without the aid of weights or a gym anyway.
So I will do what you say. I always wanted to do endurace work but I didn't want to limit myself to only that.
So I will do what you say. I always wanted to do endurace work but I didn't want to limit myself to only that.
Pfft I never broke a single bone playing rugby (both codes). In fact, I never even unded up in the doctors surgery after a game. Compare that to AFL where I think I broke 5 or 6 bones, got concussion about 4 times, and had a total of 15 or 20 stitches put in various parts of my head and face.
Pah, rugby players - too boofheaded to face the facts! lol
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