You have to be a borderline Sociopath to get respect from modern women

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Anyone else notice this as you've improved with women over the years?

I used to be a real nice guy from High school to the first 2 years of college. I didn't really start getting any respect from women until I became a real d!ck. Now I'm 28 and treat women like they are replaceable toys (which they are).

I've come to the conclusion that most modern women are borderline sociopaths themselves, so anything less in a man is viewed almost like a child in their eyes.

You have to treat them all like wh0res.. then they respect you and they f*ck you. Otherwise they make you jump though hoops like you're a little b*tch.

Anyway.. that's been my experience. Wondering if other men here agree.
 

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bang on - playher ....people need to take this in....
 

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PlayHer Man said:
Anyone else notice this as you've improved with women over the years?

I used to be a real nice guy from High school to the first 2 years of college. I didn't really start getting any respect from women until I became a real d!ck. Now I'm 28 and treat women like they are replaceable toys (which they are).

I've come to the conclusion that most modern women are borderline sociopaths themselves, so anything less in a man is viewed almost like a child in their eyes.

You have to treat them all like wh0res.. then they respect you and they f*ck you. Otherwise they make you jump though hoops like you're a little b*tch.

Anyway.. that's been my experience. Wondering if other men here agree.
I can't say I disagree. I am troubled that I have to diminish my character in order to be attractive to women. What does this say about them?

The mass hypnosis that has occured to womankind (from the media) is of such a depth that it is truly astounding, but few young guys see this because they grew up in this environment and have known no other way.

Women act the way they do because men have allowed them to and because men are slaves to what is between their legs. The day men learn to devalue the pvssy is the day women will become decent human beings again. That's why education on sites like this is so important. A critical mass must be reached where men collectively say, "enough". We are far from that point, but I see a growing awareness which I find encouraging.
 

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lot of truth in the ops sentiments, last 2 women I told to f cck off werent all angry and hurt, kicking and flailing at me, it seemed to stir something in them, like respect!

female doctor at work, quite flirty, funny with it though, she was having a dig at men..."if you dont like it, fcuck of" in front of a group. now thats prety coarse and I wouldnt reccomend it, but the situation and context meant I could get away with it, as the day went on she was hanging round me like a bad smell
 

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Unfortunately, if you are the type to lose some sleep over hurting someone's feelings or being a jackass then yes, you are not fit for this game. Showing empathy towards women is a recipe for ****ing disaster. If you aren't a natural sociopath then it's gonna be tough trying pretend to be something you are not. Instead try to suppress your empathic nature. If you are a natural sociopath though like me it's rather easy.
 

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Despite is not that easy I agree with the message, actually Im much more relaxed and in peace with myself now that I can behave according to my animal impulses rather than the programming from society.

Lets be honest fellas, none of us is really a nice guy, we have been either because we were afraid of the punishment for not being such or because we tough that such behaviour would have grant us some benefit.

Its common enough for guys to behave "nice" to women cause psychologically inferior due to upbringing thus afraid of losing "approval" or unwilling to deal with overfeared psychological pressures.

Its not uncommon the case either of guys with low self esteem which try to compensate for their perceived lack in manliness with over niceness, something like a uncompetant worker with stays at work late to compensate with extra effort his inability.

Again for me its great, to release my instinct with no limitations is as liberating as stop lying when you have something to say.
 

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PlayHerMan said:
You have to be a borderline Sociopath to get respect from modern women

Anyone else notice this as you've improved with women over the years?
To be honest, no.

But that doesn't mean you can put a girl on a pedestal or follow after her like she's the best thing since sliced bread either. When you talk about treating women like replaceable toys, let's face it, an attractive woman has so many options, so many men hitting on her, that she will often view men as replaceable toys. So if you place to much value on her, from her experience that's telling her you have no options.

I think it's even necessary to show her that you appreciate her (there's such a thing as playing it too cool), it's just that you can't overdo it. But I don't think any of that is akin to being a sociopath, which is holding other people's feelings in complete disregard. Now if the girl herself is a sociopath, she will be more likely to respond to that approach.
 

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Hustlaz Ambition said:
Unfortunately, if you are the type to lose some sleep over hurting someone's feelings or being a jackass then yes, you are not fit for this game. Showing empathy towards women is a recipe for ****ing disaster. If you aren't a natural sociopath then it's gonna be tough trying pretend to be something you are not. Instead try to suppress your empathic nature. If you are a natural sociopath though like me it's rather easy.
Agreed. I have a lot of empathy towards people in general. Most men appreciate it. Women are turned off by it.
 

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Agreed. Nice guy => "If I had a warehouse full of fvcks you still wouldn't get one from me!" guy

If that puts me at borderline sociopath then so be it.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Women act the way they do because men have allowed them to and because men are slaves to what is between their legs. The day men learn to devalue the pvssy is the day women will become decent human beings again. That's why education on sites like this is so important. A critical mass must be reached where men collectively say, "enough". We are far from that point, but I see a growing awareness which I find encouraging.
Yeah, but a lot of the education sites are extreme with their "red pill" theology. Saying things like women are evil creatures, much like how feminists say men are all evil. On the other hand, you have PUA sites that only boost the value of pu**y since their whole existence is based on effing women. We don't want to teach guys to hold a frustrating bitterness towards women, nor do we want "pu**y prices" to skyrocket.

We should be promoting masculinity isolated from the actual relationships between men and women. Teaching men to accept women's emotional thinking, but know when to reject unruly behavior from them based on his own boundaries, not trying to be "alpha". Guys come here to learn how to get a woman or two and are being taught to hate them instead.
 

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Fly By Night said:
We should be promoting masculinity isolated from the actual relationships between men and women. Teaching men to accept women's emotional thinking, but know when to reject unruly behavior from them based on his own boundaries, not trying to be "alpha".
Right, a lot of it simply boils down to self respect.
What an "AFC" does is allow himself to be disrespected, either by himself or by others.
 

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betheman said:
lot of truth in the ops sentiments, last 2 women I told to f cck off werent all angry and hurt, kicking and flailing at me, it seemed to stir something in them, like respect!
Agree, there is a girl, my classmate, I had a crush on her a year ago and as an AFC I used to be I confessed my feelings and got frienzoned. Of course AFC me would still try to chase her up to the point when we stopped talking and she was keeping her distance from me (I seriously cringe when I'm remembering just how big AFC I was :crazy: ). After a couple of moths we began to talk again from time to time (I had already found out about this site and began to cure my AFCism).

Again after a couple of months I was a bit drunk and really pissed off, I cursed her out really bad. Told her to f*ck off. Well she was angry for a day or two but now she is much nicer to me and respects me much more. Sh!t she was never this nice to me, EVER.

I guess I should practise this f*cking girls off more often because there are some b!tches that are pissing me off lol.
 

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I cannot agree with the main thrust behind this post. It implies changing yourself in order to get respect from the modern woman. Number one, true attraction is not a choice- it is an instinctive reaction to the person you are right now. Second, the correct way to look at it is that the woman needs to do/be certain things to gain your own respect. If the majority of modern women are not those things, simply hold out for a girl that is. If every man did this, it's the women who would change.

And it's the women that should change, is it not? Femininity should not be a negotiable trait- it is the most fundamental part of the man/woman dynamic. If she doesn't have it, you walk. It's really that simple. The assertion of strength over woman is fundamental, and only girls capable of being "run" in this way (their lives being run by you, that is) are suitable for marriage.

But the ideal is when the woman is asking to be run and wanting to be run and liking it when she is run, and feeling relieved after she is run- this is ideal and what you really want (this is the infamous "sh!t test").

In my opinion, a proper relationship is a constant fight in which the woman always loses.

These women are so feminine they need a stern father figure who will let her know when she's right and wrong, whether she's being a good girl (example: bringing me coffee in bed) or a bad girl with a bad or a good attitude-she needs a man to run her life. Seriously. They are traditionally considered "high maintenance" but are actually not if you are strong by nature.

They are pure responsiveness (pure femininity, pure reactors rather than initiators). There is not really any attitude/sass/aggressiveness inherent in the personality that is at all effective, and when she tries to do that, she comes off cute like an angry puppy dog (that's a telltale sign of a good woman!).

However, what that means then is that she is attracted to a pure INITIATIOR and someone with so much strength and good, strong attitude and ability to run her life for her that she is free to be herself. So you see, wondering if your wife will let you do this or that is a silly question. There is no "letting" to be done by a wife when he has a strong (but loving) hand over her in marriage. Similarly, wondering if a girl will let you take her out or if she will like it if you take her to a certain restaurant, or if she will let me kiss her- these are all stupid questions if you are running this woman's life.

Opinions of her own she has, but sharing these opinions (and sharing our values) is all beside the point when compared to the basic assertion of strength over woman. There is nothing more fundamental than that in man/woman relationships. Any opinions she might have are completely irrelevant to the basic framework. If the basic assertion of strength over woman is not always present, I will not make a good husband. If the woman will not submit to my assertion of strength over her, she will not make a good wife.

It HAS to be this way.

If modern women are constantly fighting this, which they are, most of them, more power to them but I will not accept this as the new normal.

Thank you though, interesting post.
 

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Darth said:
I cannot agree with the main thrust behind this post. It implies changing yourself in order to get respect from the modern woman. Number one, true attraction is not a choice- it is an instinctive reaction to the person you are right now. Second, the correct way to look at it is that the woman needs to do/be certain things to gain your own respect. If the majority of modern women are not those things, simply hold out for a girl that is.
I'm with Darth here. I'm not compromising myself or my principles for a woman. If anybody is going to be doing the changing, it's her. I usually let them know (in subtle and in not so subtle ways) that I expect certain standards of behavior from them, and if they can't meet them, then my interest is going elsewhere.

It is not masculine to adapt to the woman, that's the most pussified AFC sh!t I can think of.

Isn't this one of the main principles of this site? That the male should lead and the woman will follow? And that this is what they are fundamentally attracted to? How do you get that when you throw all your convictions out the window in order to act like a sociopath to impress them? Fail.
 

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Do you guys mean by Sociopath to virtually be a Bad Boy in nature? Or do you guys mean Sociopath being a Jerk? Either way both work. I keep it in the Arsenal.
 

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PlayHer Man said:
Anyone else notice this as you've improved with women over the years?

I used to be a real nice guy from High school to the first 2 years of college. I didn't really start getting any respect from women until I became a real d!ck. Now I'm 28 and treat women like they are replaceable toys (which they are).

I've come to the conclusion that most modern women are borderline sociopaths themselves, so anything less in a man is viewed almost like a child in their eyes.

You have to treat them all like wh0res.. then they respect you and they f*ck you. Otherwise they make you jump though hoops like you're a little b*tch.

Anyway.. that's been my experience. Wondering if other men here agree.

I agree with being a dyck and treating all women like wh0res until they prove otherwise, but I don't think being a sociopath has anything to do with it.
 

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PlayHer Man said:
You have to treat them all like wh0res.. then they respect you and they f*ck you. Otherwise they make you jump though hoops like you're a little b*tch.
you're not that far off from the truth. your statement is rough around the edges and needs some refinement but the basic premise is not far off.
 

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PlayHerMan said:
You have to treat them all like wh0res.. then they respect you and they f*ck you. Otherwise they make you jump though hoops like you're a little b*tch.
Is there no middle ground here? You're only going to be jumping through her hoops if you are a little b!tch. And why treat her like a wh0re unless she is one? Well, except in the bedroom, of course ;)
 

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To the person who started this topic,

Here's what's really going on. The normal way that most men are taught to treat women is unbalanced. Men are taught and women expect, from a very young age, that women get a free pass to engage in uncivilized behavior. That no matter how ridiculous her demands and no matter how irrational she acts and no matter how bad her behavior is, he is supposed to always be nice to her and be there for her.

It's like the stupid little lists that sometimes you'll see women put up. "I want a man who is strong but sensitive. Can make me laugh but will also let me cry whenever I want. Will put up with all of my crazy behavior. Who will always tell me that I'm right, blah blah blah, yada yada bullsh*t bullsh*t.". Basically, she wants a doormat. And men are taught that they are supposed to be doormats when it comes to women.

The expectation is that you'll be her little chore boy, cater to any ridiculous demands she makes, allow her to act in any uncivilized manner she wishes when she experiences negative emotions, beg her for sex, and gladly pay for 100% of everything while she either gets to stay at home or if she works, she gets to spend all of the money she makes on HERSELF, while YOU are supposed to keep her up and pay for everything. Slavery isn't dead, my friend.

What I just stated above is most women's DREAM and also how most men believe they are supposed to behave. In this society, women are allowed to get away with entirely too much bad behavior. So, of course, since this extreme form of bootlicking that men are expected to do is encouraged and the brainwashing is so widespread, any treatment that you give a woman that deviates from this extreme form of grovelling bootlicking, seems mean and harsh if you still have traces of the old brainwashing in the back of your lizard brain.

What do you think would happen if a man started throwing a temper tantrum and demanding you do this and that and no matter how nice you were to him while throwing this tantrum, he kept acting like a fool and throwing even more of a tantrum and started acting ugly and disrespectful? You'd probably punch him in the face! I'm not saying that you should walk around punching people in the face, but you see, we know what civilized behavior is. And in situations OUTSIDE of romantic relationships, women are expected by society to behave in a civilized manner.

The one context where she should be expected to behave in the most civilized and ladylike manner, in a relationship with a man who will love her and protect her, the expectations are completely the opposite. Of course, I'm no fool. I don't play by those stupid rules. But just because you don't play by those stupid rules doesn't make you a sociopath. It has everything to do with expecting civilized, respectable, LADYLIKE behavior from the women you have romantic relationships with.

It also has everything to do with NOT TOLERATING UGLY, RUDE, MEAN, SPITEFUL, DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIOR FROM WOMEN.

This isn't always pleasant. Sometimes you have to put a woman in her place. Sometimes you have to put a stop to an idiotic temper tantrum or talk over her to put a stop to a wild string of illogical emotional ramblings. Especially when she is basically pulling words out of her a$$ and making unfair or unreasonable statements and then expecting to put you in some kind of a hotseat where you're "supposed" to reason her out of her unreasonable state. The wrong move is to play the submissive role to someone who is suffering from temporary insanity.

The right move is to tell her the conversation is over, that she's wrong, that she's being disrespectful, and that you don't have to answer to her but that she had better watch her tone or she will have to answer to YOU. Then simply be silent and don't say anything else, but keep powerful, dominant body language like you own yourself and that you own HER.

Save the rational, adult, grown-up conversation for times when she is not in a state of temporary insanity. Reasoning with a woman is, like everything else, about timing. There are times you can reason with them and times when you can't. When their negative emotions are at a peak, it's time to cut the conversation short, correct her, and go into "training mode". She has to learn that just like in any other situation in the civilized world, where she is expected to be well-behaved even when she is experiencing negative emotions, she must not use her bad moods as an excuse to be rude and disrespectful to you. You're her man. And you're there to love and protect her. But you're also there to correct her when she needs it and will NOT tolerate a situation where she uses her emotions as an excuse to act out unacceptable, disrespectful behavior.
 
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