You do not 'need' SoSuave

[Stanley]

You don't 'need' SoSuave​

Genuinely, those who seek out advice often get some biased, scripted bull**** built upon things they've read on the internet and not experienced firsthand. The posters that actually 'know' tend to leave or graduate. The few that stay and continue to provide worth to those seeking out guidance are a blessing.
(Thanks old guard , ya know who you are)

Unfortunately, this site is plagued by those who'know' in the academic sense, but do not in the literal sense. Atomsmasher has called this behavior out time and time again. I Wholeheartedly believe This site should be a place visited in doses to gain insight you are lacking in an increasingly gynocentric world. But take heed, most here came under the pretense of learning to be successful with women and life.... implying prior that they were not! Pook called this to attention all the way back in 2002 with his "Sosuave is afc" post. Nothing has changed, if anything things have gotten worse.

“SS is AFC”

To prevent themselves from feeling like a slut, you must create a real or superficial relationship with her INSIDE OF HER MIND before she'll have sex with you. Women are entirely sexual BY DEFAULT and their concern is not that they are sexual but on how EVERYONE ELSE perceives it?

bookofpook.com

Get what you want out of this board, then get the f*** off it! ​

As someone who formerly thought they were piss poor with women and came to this site to vent, I realized through self reflection and actualization that was the furthest thing from the truth. After experiencing a true abundance and ease through actual application I came to realize, I don't struggle with women or attraction, game or anything of the sort. I just needed to be honest with myself and be okay with success and not fearing it! Everyone has their rationale for visiting or joining this site. There are those that come here to learn, some to hate, some to whine and some to engage in discussion. Most have their merits, but once you solve your initial reason for coming here why do you persist? (i've written about this before)

You don't need the forum or reassurance. You more than likely have the mental fortitude and self awareness to tackle things as needed
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You don't 'need' books, you don't 'need' courses, you don't 'need' anything in relation to "game" or the like... Do not conflate a need with a want... (or what is often a distraction under the guise of self improvement.) All the tools are at your disposal! if you learn how to dust them off and see their proper luster. The bare minimum of self awareness and questioning unlocks these things, the primary component to this is simply having the ability to recognize things as they are with a hefty side of honesty and acceptance.

Maybe this place is a sounding board for some? Perhaps this is a place where you can feel amongst men who share opinions that often agitate the gravel and oppose the modern status quo? Maybe this feels like the community that will let you thrash about in the mud and whine about things openly? Perhaps you are one of the few who provide wisdom through experience and seek to educate others?

Everyone has their reasons for coming here, but once you get a taste, then your filling, you should leave and start applying things you've learned that are beneficial to you and conducive to personal growth and success. Questioning your mental schema and attacking cognitive distortions limiting your potential are paramount to change. You can't do that if you spend an abundance of your time here!

" When men arrive here, they learn about the red pill, and learn how to “game”. The problem is that men don’t realize they need to play the game at first, but then become the game".

-Atom Smasher, 2022​

How to graduate from SoSuave with honors

Once in a while we see fairly prominent members fade away from our forum here. They have graduated and frankly, outgrown this place. How does a man develop to such a degree that he outgrows SS and must move on? What is it about him that is different from the majority? When men arrive here...

www.sosuave.net

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Pook called this to attention all the way back in 2002 with his "Sosuave is afc" post. Nothing has changed, if anything things have gotten worse.

Is So Suave the same as Speed Seduction?

From that link (emphasis mine):
Is the SSer truly making love to her or is she merely masturbating herself using him as the physical object? After all, he uses her vocabulary, has her values, acts like she does, and talks like a woman.
Is this the essence of Speed Seduction?

Nowhere in the article is SoSuave mentioned, just SS.

 

[characternote]

in a way you could argue that the whole community isn't need at all.

In the old days (think mysterymethod days) the idea was there was a lot to 'learn': negs, dhv stories, cold reads, assumption stacks, pushpull lines, qualification lines, disqualification, peackocking blablabla. This is what the forums in those days spoke about non stop and are the things people would concentrate on if they weren't getting the results they wanted

That part of the community has basically died out. Why? Because it didn't freaking work lol. Mystery got rejected just as much as the average guy down the pub i'm afraid to say. His 'theory' didn't work if a girl wasn't into him. Same goes for everyone as you can see if you pay attention to infield footage from all PUAs

SO the community has kind of morphed into a much more simplified concept such as what sosuave is nowadays. (which ironically is also what other forums that sosuave hate are about. Some hypocrisy there)

If someone gets rejected, there's not really any mention of 'what did you transition into after your opener? What 'attraction material' did you run?!!'; etc. (thank God)

It's more ''not to worry. Move onto the next girl and work on your SMV in the mean time'' (meaning basically hit the gym to get better looking)

So really everyone already knows all the answers. You don't need anyone here! There's nothing they know that you don't know. Get as good looking as possible, make some money (although not important if you just want to get laid and you aren't super old) and hit on lots of girls. Escalate on the ones that are clearly into you. You can't control this though. Unless you are ridiculously autistic to the point you can't hold eye contact and stuff, there's almost nothing to learn. We'd all basically get identical results in each others bodies and location

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

While this forum may not be needed for teaching guys how to pick up women, there is quite a lot of commiserating going on. I think what SoSuave provides, and what is lacking in many forums, is the emotional support like the type that women have with their gfs. That emotional support allows women to bounce back after a break-up or rejection, same as here for guys who share their dating woes here.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

This site exists so the best blurbs can be ripped off and monetized, you must of missed the landing page

 

[TheManMasenko]

You do need SS. Don't let them point you in the wrong direction.

If you need help, you need to be here.

Learning is always good.

This message feels somewhat like convert shaming.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

in a way you could argue that the whole community isn't need at all.

In the old days (think mysterymethod days) the idea was there was a lot to 'learn': negs, dhv stories, cold reads, assumption stacks, pushpull lines, qualification lines, disqualification, peackocking blablabla. This is what the forums in those days spoke about non stop and are the things people would concentrate on if they weren't getting the results they wanted

That part of the community has basically died out. Why? Because it didn't freaking work lol. Mystery got rejected just as much as the average guy down the pub i'm afraid to say. His 'theory' didn't work if a girl wasn't into him. Same goes for everyone as you can see if you pay attention to infield footage from all PUAs

SO the community has kind of morphed into a much more simplified concept such as what sosuave is nowadays. (which ironically is also what other forums that sosuave hate are about. Some hypocrisy there)

If someone gets rejected, there's not really any mention of 'what did you transition into after your opener? What 'attraction material' did you run?!!'; etc. (thank God)

It's more ''not to worry. Move onto the next girl and work on your SMV in the mean time'' (meaning basically hit the gym to get better looking)

So really everyone already knows all the answers. You don't need anyone here! There's nothing they know that you don't know. Get as good looking as possible, make some money (although not important if you just want to get laid and you aren't super old) and hit on lots of girls. Escalate on the ones that are clearly into you. You can't control this though. Unless you are ridiculously autistic to the point you can't hold eye contact and stuff, there's almost nothing to learn. We'd all basically get identical results in each others bodies and location

Facts. It’s not until you’ve been around women and see how they operate that you realise ‘game’ is complete bs. The only game is being as attractive as possible and acting non needy/less invested than her.

 

[Divorced w 3]

The 48 laws of power devoted an entire law to the concept that you lose power in isolation.

Similarly did you happen to notice that guys who had such remarkable success here went and renounced it or outright disappeared the moment they began to seclude themselves?

 

[MtmVaott]

This site exists so the best blurbs can be ripped off and monetized, you must of missed the landing page

And most of these svck

 

[Gamisch]

Every man will go through different stages.

Its funny, you are a rational dude who left few months ago,came back to now..tell others to leave as well? When you leave, do so with grace and in peace.

I am sure theres AT LEAST 1 thing you got out of your stay here...once you deal with Miss Borderline again you'll be back here like a fish on dry land desperately seeking some water lkke his life depends upon it..

Me personally? I managed to make a 180 on many ,many aspects of my life. Like Drake said in his debut song: " it couldn't happen any quicker". Wished I found this damn site MUCH earlier.

I've always been a bluepilled alpha (thug). If if if if if I would've known about a community as strong, potent , and riddled with golden nuggets like SOSAUVE..I would probably be a millionaire with a solid harem right now. Now i have to "settle " with being a top 20/15 percenter at best.

I like you Stanley. Always did. So I'll end it in in gentleman-ish fashion;

Dont be ungratefull. And REALIZE you're not even 30. Respect the community and let people be,brother. You know better than this..

 

[characternote]

get in shape.
Make money.
You're welcome. Now you can leave if you want too as there's really nothing more that the community can tell you (not to mention 15 year old kids know this)

 

[Gamisch]

Op see you again in 15 ysars.

Get another 100 women /notches ,including ltr's and report back.

Way too soon and way to arrogant to tell us veterans what we do and don't need. C'mon now

 

[Redwood]

The "leave and not coming back" type threads on message boards get old after awhile tbh.

 

[Glassguy]

My opinion-

There are many good posters on here that give rock solid advice. They dont fall into the "all or nothing" category. Relationships are both fulfilling and messy. No 2 are ever the same in terms of situations, emotions and circumstances. The posters that dont see a "gray" area and have the "all or nothing" attitude, or a jaded attitude, sometimes dont see this.

Having said that, there are ALWAYS circumstances and boundaries that only exist in the black and white areas of a relationship and there really are not many ways to handle them other than walking away.
-Cheating
-Lying
-Deceit
-Disrespect on many levels

There are certain times that women leave and come back. If the relationship was really good and healthy, and I will say the best overall relationship they have been in, there is a good chance they will reach back out. If there was abuse, major lying, etc. that you committed, chances are unless she is majorly damaged, you may never hear from her again.
During and after my recent break up I even struggled with how to handle things. But with time, we also get clarity, which is more important than "closure".

The greatest advice I have gotten from people, both on and off this forum, are the people who are the best listeners and people who can dabble in the gray area. We are humans and we have emotions that develop with people no matter how hard we try not to or try to shut them off after a relationship ends (doesnt matter who ended it).

Sometimes a "RUN AND DONT LOOK BACK" is warranted. Sometimes its not. Nobody knows both you and the person that you ended things with better than you.

One thing that I will say should always happen, regardless of the situation: if you get dumped, accept the breakup and do so without emotion (I know its the hardest thing to do) and give the chick the breakup she asked for. And then go into NC. Let her live some life without you in it. At that point she either reaches out or she doesnt, and if she doesnt, she will never hear from you again.

Happy Hunting

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It’s a good forum to read. It keeps me from slipping back into the Blue Pill. As for picking up girls. There are s few universal principles. But most everything else is so dependent on ones unique situation.

 

[TheManMasenko]

People will leave naturally.

 

[TheManMasenko]

Some people post to troll others to seek information.

I advise viewers to try to cold approach while being on this site. You will learn 10x more about dating than just being on this site alone.

 

[TheManMasenko]

My friends who have been approaching women since 13, know the game. My friends who haven't been catching up.

 

[RazorRambo24]

My friends who have been approaching women since 13, know the game. My friends who haven't been catching up.

I Relate to this as I'm one of those people. Some cultures just make you wiser with women since a young age.. and some don't. Thankfully big city/inner city life + hip hop cultures and just being around cool older dudes my entire life is what really helped me. That and I was kinda programmed by the same movies that involved romance that my parents would watch alot of when I was just a toddler, while I sat and watched alongside. As early as 4-5 yrs old I was re-enacting wht i saw in the movies.. my brother or a friend would play the villain, i'd play a hero. and the family friend -girl would be the damsel.. My first time kissing a girl was around that age .

To some it might sound funny or whimsical, but sometimes thats what it takes to spark interest since young. That, and I was exposed to sex at a very young age.