****y + Funny and Appearance (UK)

[octane_orphan]

Not sure if this is just a UK thing but am I right in thinking making ****y + funny remarks targeted at the girls appearance such as hair style, cloths, jewlery etc is to be avoided ?

I think in the UK if I made a C+F remark about appearance then while it would be funny it woud only be funny to me and she would be offended. Its just not done over here, or at least I have never seen it done.

Any UK DJ's advice greatfully appreciated!

If so what is it best to target? The girls actions? What she does and the way she does etc etc?

 

[spidersense]

here is a suggestion... TRY IT... so what if you get some wierd looks if it doesn't work... but I'm pretty sure it will. in David D's mailbag he gets constant emails from people around the world saying this stuff works accross countries and ethnicities and religions. read some of the CF threads and just try out some of the ones that have been proven to work here... Like yesterday I was on a coffee date with a girl and I noticed that her dark roots were showing, (I think is was duke that said this one, thanks!)
ME: "You know, I really like your hair"
Her: Thank you
Me: My only question though... is how did you get your roots so dark?
Her: Paused for a second like she didn't quit get what I was asking, them busted out laughing. She went on to explain that she was getting her roots dyed later this week.

so, the best advice I can give, it try it. Remember to make sure the statements or questions are funny... not just ****y... oh oh oh!!
with the same girl, almost imediatly after I used that line I was like, lets go do some shopping, so we walked around the mall. I gotta thank David D. for this one(if you haven't read his book, read it, the best thing I've ever done when it comes to dealing with women)
After we started walking this girl with a HUGE HUGE butt walked by, I mean, bigger than J. Lo., but it was still funny

Me: J. Lo. is in the house
Her: She stopped, did her best to hold back a lughter, and turned around away from the girl then covered her mouth. She started laughing and said "I was wondering if you were going to say something about that"

Also, watch your tonality, usually you need a serious tone, like you actually mean it. with the j.lo. one It was like an ...ahh yeah tone

 

[spidersense]

oh, also, if you get a look from her that says "I can't believe you just said that" you've probably done it right then. as long as she doesn't get pissie about it, then you're alright. Even if she does get pissie about it and others around you are laughing, then you can turn it around and say something like, "what, don't you have a sense of humor, everyone else is laughing"

 

[Panda 2000]

I think the point is to make it clear to her that you don't mean to offend her and that you're kidding. That's usually done by smiling and laughing a bit.
Just yesterday, I was walking home with this chick and she pointed at a house and said that it's the salon of a dog hairstylist. So I "said your hair looks nice, how much do you pay him"?

 

[PalmerTheCharmer]

See no offence Panda but thats exactly what I don't seem to get about C&F. I know for a fact no matter how much a girl liked me, if I came out with a line comparing her to a dog I would get SLAPPED even if it was really funny!!



I'm just worried when I finally land the girl of my dreams I'll try and be C&F but it will come out as really offensive and I'll blow my chances.. I know exactly what u are saying octane_orphan, maybe it works better with girls in the US.

 

[belividere]

I can guarantee that there are ****y and funny guys in every country in the world. I would bet they score girls without a problem too. It ain't territorial.

Personally I think it has to be natural to work. If you don't know how to deliver a ****y or funny remark it wont be taken warmily. If you say something you think is funny and then are the only one laughing it will back fire.

 

[MrCode]

Originally posted by PalmerTheCharmer
See no offence Panda but thats exactly what I don't seem to get about C&F. I know for a fact no matter how much a girl liked me, if I came out with a line comparing her to a dog I would get SLAPPED even if it was really funny!!

That, my friend, is the wussy attitude that almost guarantees women will put you in the friendzone very quickly. You are worried about offending her and not getting her approval. Bad, bad, bad.

I've said some crazy stuff and had it received really well by all kinds of women. I just love seeing that look on their faces of "oh no you didn't just say that" along with the funny little noises they make too. One girl has this cute little "stop it!" she says, but I can tell even then she is kidding and she really means "keep it up sexy!"

If a woman is offended then bust her for not having a sense of humor. If she is still being b!tchy, bye, bye, she isn't fun or worth your time, plain and simple.

The main thing is if you are worried about the C&F not working, it probably won't. You can't say it in a weak way or without authority. You must be congruent.

In my case I grew up with a bunch of smart-asses in my family (my Mom in particular), so to me this is natural. But I thank David D for showing me it was cool to apply this to women too.

 

[PalmerTheCharmer]

Hmm.. I guess you got a point there. I wouldnt say I am a wuss who is petrified of offending a woman and thus supplicates to her by 'treading on eggshells' all the time.. I just think sometimes you gotta be a little careful when using C&F.

There is a difference between being funny and just downright offensive. I still maintain that comparing a woman to a dog (in the UK anyway) is likely to end in a female tantrum, not attraction. I don't know many women who would be 'charmed' by that.

Small things that a woman is potentially insecure about, like (for example) her hair, voice or clothes, I think you could use C&F with no problem. But when it comes down to appearance most girls I know tend to be pretty sensitive.

Like, you couldnt be with a fat girl and say 'maybe we should skip dinner. I don't think you really need to eat any more!' because.. you'd get slapped! (Alright its a bad example and I dont know why you would be DJing a fat girl but i hope you see my point)

 

[belividere]

there is a fine line between ****y and funny and being an a-hole. Define the boundaries yourself by letting them know your funny and your good at it. If you aren't funny dont pretend like you are it will come off on the other side of the line and wont work. And if you dont know when the line is crossed then it will never work. Telling a fat girl to skip meals is usually a bad idea. Acting ****y can come of as being sociopathic, again bad. Start joking around more with friends. It will give you confidence that you are funny and then it will carry over to when you do it to girls.

 

[MrCode]

Yes you can go too far and I definitely won't be too offensive, depending on the girl. The hotter the girl usually the higher she is on a pedestal and the more brutal you can be.

But keep in mind that C&F isn't only about busting the girl. The main point is reversing the frame so that you become the hot one and she is the perverted pursuer. That reversal does all kinds of good things: it is funny (a reversal is classic in comedy), and it sets the tone of you as the prize. This is why C&F is so highly praised.

 

[Alpine]

Look,

I live in the UK. C&F is my main way to get attention. It gets me laid, I was a sad and ugly bastard before I started here, now I'm still ugly but get laid.

Do not use where you live as an excuse to be weak and pathetic and not face up to potential rejection.

My methodoly is just DYD stuff and bits and pieces I test drive from here or my own creativity.

Get eye contact, raise eyebrows, one if you are particularly skilled, go over, make a compliment and immediately backhand it with a neg hit whilst smiling and in a teasing tone.

I used to be nice, now I'm an arrogant arsole interlaced with charming guy you'd be a fool not to go for.

The key is having the balls to do it properly and accept occasionally you will mess up or they are a complete ball breaker.

The main thing is when you both involved in it, it's not half as bad as it appears in the cold light of day. Just try it, practice a few ideas first then go out.

I spanked 3 strangers over the hols, something I never believed would have worked, another DYD stunt.

On good looking bar maid. She was hot with those mascara drawn on eyebrows.-

Hi, can I just ask?.............smile, where did you buy your eyebrows, they look very realistic.

Now it just sounds dumb doesn't it, but after that I was well in.

'I can't believe you just said that' or a shoulder down slap mean you are already over half way to a good time.

Oh and just incase, I get around a bit, and it works in all parts of the UK, with posh birds and council, just tailor your clarity of pronounciaton.

 

[Gonzalo]

Originally posted by PalmerTheCharmer
See no offence Panda but thats exactly what I don't seem to get about C&F. I know for a fact no matter how much a girl liked me, if I came out with a line comparing her to a dog I would get SLAPPED even if it was really funny!!

I know what you say, some girls are also stuck up in my hometown. But fireproof way it will be OK: the "funny" in C&F has to be funny wnough to make her giggle, otherwise asume it wasnt funny, and shell think you are an ******* only.

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[Alpine]

Judgement is important, that's why I tend to drink very little when I'm working.

Someone mensioned fat birds, this is where I wouldn't go because she IS fat. She's not needing to be brought down a peg or two.

Now the dog thing, that's spot on, no pun intended.

What I'm more worried about is some people are just not getting it. Us Brits are supposed to be famous for comedy based around double meanings, sarcasm and irony.

I love having conversations on two levels, she knows it I know it, innocent and dirty at the same time.

If you watch Friends or Frazier and you're laughing, you can do this stuff. If you just don't get it, forget c&f.

 

[Matt Rogers]

lol, funny stuff Alpine. Glad you are seeing lots of success.

I would be very careful about C and F and appearance. Lots of girls are very sensitive about their appearance and have very low self esteem. Danger areas are anything to do with weight, attractiveness. But earings, make up and hair and stuff is fine (although don't ever let a blond know that you know her hair is fake). Stick to pretty girls, as less attractive girls tend to take it personally.

 

[WeakMenNeverRise]

Women are women man. No matter where they come from. As far as C&F goes, its cool to make fun of their appearence but the key is moderation and common sense. If she has a funny nose don't make fun of it because she'll be reallly self conscious. DO NOT MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT HER WEIGHT. I DON"T CARE IF SHE WAS 92 POUNDS. Only joke about things that aren't that serious i.e. a facial expression she made, maybe her feet are small, or she's really tall or really short. Or maybe, and this is kinda pushin it, you can say something innocent and innocuous about her hairstyle. Bottom line though, you can do it but if you don't have to, don't.

 

[Alpine]

The way I see it your trying to create tension. To do that you need a degree of sensitivity to know when to pull it away and when to give, creating an environment where one minute she thinks she got you, the next she's not sure.

Personally, I don't think I'm strictly doing ****y and funny, becasue almost immediately I launch in with an observational slight.

Maybe I'm good at the delivery or the smoothing over process. I've just found it works for me. I think it could also be because it makes her think this guy must be far more than he looks to have said that, and of course she'd be right.

Don't get me wrong I've been caught out a few times, fluffed my lines or just hit stoney ground. The peanut story is my recent failure, but I can look back on it now and laugh.

 

[spidersense]

let me make my suggestion ONE MORE TIME TRY IT! Go out, line up a bunch of meetings or coffee dates, this could be with ANY woman it doesn't even have to be one that you can see as possibaly being a long term thing if that's what you are into, and then use some of these lines. I'm CERTAIN that if the woman has any sense of humor at all, and they are delivered right, then it will make her laugh or go into that playful, what did you just say to me, sort of thing. She may test you, but keep your composure.

 

[Alpine]

Originally posted by dementia
Youre mixing up neghits with C+F.

Sorry dementia, maybe I didn't make myself clear when I said

'Personally, I don't think I'm strictly doing ****y and funny, becasue almost immediately I launch in with an observational slight'

 

[englishcrap]

C & F does work once you get to know the girl...Go for an initial "How u doing" then hit ****y and funny mode I phoned up this bird to organise a date, this is an example of the the conversation which went along these lines..

ME "How you doing"

HER "Cool How Are U ?"

ME "So lets meet up tommoro night for drink"

HER "Sounds like a plan"

(Shes shorter then me so this is where the C&F stuff kicks in...)

ME "Want me to bring along a step ladder this time "

HER "No LOL I'll be wearing my high heels"

ME "Ok so I shall leave the step ladder at home and you wear your extra high heels..besides its gonna be a strain on the back
if I am gonna have to lean and snog u each time"

HER "LOL OK cu tommoro"

Still learning the art of ****y and funny hopes this makes sense

 

[Not Quite There]

Originally posted by PalmerTheCharmer
Hmm.. I guess you got a point there. I wouldnt say I am a wuss who is petrified of offending a woman and thus supplicates to her by 'treading on eggshells' all the time.. I just think sometimes you gotta be a little careful when using C&F.

There is a difference between being funny and just downright offensive. I still maintain that comparing a woman to a dog (in the UK anyway) is likely to end in a female tantrum, not attraction. I don't know many women who would be 'charmed' by that.

Small things that a woman is potentially insecure about, like (for example) her hair, voice or clothes, I think you could use C&F with no problem. But when it comes down to appearance most girls I know tend to be pretty sensitive.

Like, you couldnt be with a fat girl and say 'maybe we should skip dinner. I don't think you really need to eat any more!' because.. you'd get slapped! (Alright its a bad example and I dont know why you would be DJing a fat girl but i hope you see my point)

your worrying about it to much, say you got a fit girl who knows it wearign a short skirt, look down at her legs and say then look into her eyes and tell her nice knees, or say a girl is showing cleaverage and is swearing a necklace, do the same but say nice necklace.

Neither of these are offensive, and should make the girl laugh.