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Wow....women rationalizing a MAN cheating?

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http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jon-and-k...gment/21926;_ylt=As8CsQIFQ4dWtCu1fOqrlZkazJV4

Check out the comments. You would expect to see "PIG" and "DOG" and every other negative word in the book, but no! These people are actually defending him!

If anyone hasn't caught at least five seconds of his t.v. show, you might not know that the wife is the EPITOME of everything that is wrong with women today. A short haired, ball busting, obsessive compulsive, passive aggressive beyotch. Just the way she looks at him turns my stomach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-R0R9PZR8

Check out :45-1:00. Also check out 2:00-2:25.

I think I need to throw up now....

Just thought it was kind of interesting to see blog comments actually blaming the woman for a man's infidelity.
 

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I had to think about this one. Why for once are all the girls actually defending the guy for straying?

I think it is because of *the kids*

On the TV show, all the women see how such a loving and affectionate father he is towards the 8 kids, so that is why they are rallying by his side.

This makes sense, since when you see celebrities get divorced, a shaming tactic of the woman is to say he treated his children poorly, thus the woman gets all the public sympathy.
 

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I had to think about this one. Why for once are all the girls actually defending the guy for straying?

I think it is because of *the kids*

On the TV show, all the women see how such a loving and affectionate father he is towards the 8 kids, so that is why they are rallying by his side.

This makes sense, since when you see celebrities get divorced, a shaming tactic of the woman is to say he treated his children poorly, thus the woman gets all the public sympathy.
I agree with this. There is a bias against older, childless men--no matter what they accomplish in life, they are seen as "aimless" or "immature." However, give the guy a son and take some pics of him playing with him and suddenly he's ok. You see this again and again.

That video is a perfect example of why you should not get married early in life. I'm not familiar with the couple, but the video clips from the 90's said it all; the wife was spirited and affectionate then, but already was clearly the one in charge. This was ok then--look at her displays of high interest, but fast forward ten years. Her husband never learned any frame control (as evidenced by the interview), and now he has no way of coping with the dramatic shift in his wife's attitude. She has completely emasculated him.

Both parties in this marriage are at the age where they question their past decisions, and no decision is more significant than marriage. A smarter course of action would be to postpone marriage until you've past that period of questioning. But, of course, tradition is tradition.
 

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he's a bad boy wrapped in a family of 8. and she LOVES that. She wanted a bad boy. well honey how do you like it? :cheer:
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Jeffst1980 said:
That video is a perfect example of why you should not get married early in life. I'm not familiar with the couple, but the video clips from the 90's said it all; the wife was spirited and affectionate then, but already was clearly the one in charge. This was ok then--look at her displays of high interest, but fast forward ten years. Her husband never learned any frame control (as evidenced by the interview), and now he has no way of coping with the dramatic shift in his wife's attitude. She has completely emasculated him.

Both parties in this marriage are at the age where they question their past decisions, and no decision is more significant than marriage. A smarter course of action would be to postpone marriage until you've past that period of questioning. But, of course, tradition is tradition.
I was just about to say that.

She was being disrespectful towards him when she kept interrupting him and talked down to him like she was his mother. You could tell that the guy was zipping his lip shut in anger and frustration but didn't want to blow his lid on national television like Andrew Dice Clay or something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1oluhAfGw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJVg9devBqY&feature=related

Notice how they talk like they are already fvcking old, I mean they are in their early 30's but they act is if they are twice that age. That guy would so prefer remaining single instead of being married to some harpy and look after the kids all day.
 

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I think his defence by women is actually fitting in character with them. This is a hen-pecked guy who takes care of his kids. Most women will not date him or consider him their ideal guy, but they will say how his wife is a ***** if they can see it for themselves and how he deserves better. Really, it's not even about the guy in this case: it's about the women not liking the guy's wife and thinking about how they themselves deserve a man like that. It's like Chris Rock said, " Women hate other women." Remember that and you will see what drives a lot of women.
 

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this is now a business arrangement....
 

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His cheating has brought them a lot of pub because I never heard of that show until it was reported that he cheated.
 

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This is great.

I watched one episode of this and hated that lady from the beginning. Any time they'd sit down and talk to the cameras she just seemed to always have something negative to say about or to him.
 

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I went back over and read some more of the comments (there are a lot of them and they just keep piling up) and realized that as some of you already pointed out, women seem to be reacting positively to seeing him in a father role.

The other thing that struck me was that it seemed that a lot of women were saying that she should "look past this", and it almost seemed as if they were saying this because they didn't want to see the show go off the air.

Maybe I'm imagining the last part, but if so, it shows how utterly selfish some chicks can be.

Still a lot of criticizing from men and women about how much of a b!tch she is as well. Well deserved- I watched that youtube clip again and cringed at her passive-aggressive attempts to belittle him at every chance she had.

What an uber cvnt.
 

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Da Realist said:
I think his defence by women is actually fitting in character with them. This is a hen-pecked guy who takes care of his kids. Most women will not date him or consider him their ideal guy, but they will say how his wife is a ***** if they can see it for themselves and how he deserves better. Really, it's not even about the guy in this case: it's about the women not liking the guy's wife and thinking about how they themselves deserve a man like that. It's like Chris Rock said, " Women hate other women." Remember that and you will see what drives a lot of women.
Makes a LOT of sense. And FYI to the OP, most of the recent comments are pretty damn negative towards the guy.
 

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I'm interested to see how the public opinion on this guy swings. If it's favorable to him, I think it's pretty strong evidence that women dislike each other more than they could ever dislike one guy.

Also, notice that Charlie Sheen is back in good graces with the public? Self deprecating humor and a cutesy sitcom go a long way in repairing public perception.
 

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i've watched the show a couple times because I find it humorous and quite honestly, amazing that two people could raise that many kids.

If you watch the dynamic of the relationship, Jon (the husband) is the laid back parent and Kate (the wife) is the one who wears the pants on the relationship. I honestly don't think we can compare their relationship to a normal relationship considering they have EIGHT children and probably 3-4 camera crews around them all the time. All TV shows are PRODUCED to hilight drama and the good and bad in people. Perhaps the woman is a little overbearing but I can't honestly say that I would be as willing to take care of EIGHT children day in and day out. Give them both a break.
 

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STR8UP said:
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jon-and-k...gment/21926;_ylt=As8CsQIFQ4dWtCu1fOqrlZkazJV4

Check out the comments. You would expect to see "PIG" and "DOG" and every other negative word in the book, but no! These people are actually defending him!

If anyone hasn't caught at least five seconds of his t.v. show, you might not know that the wife is the EPITOME of everything that is wrong with women today. A short haired, ball busting, obsessive compulsive, passive aggressive beyotch. Just the way she looks at him turns my stomach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-R0R9PZR8

Check out :45-1:00. Also check out 2:00-2:25.

I think I need to throw up now....

Just thought it was kind of interesting to see blog comments actually blaming the woman for a man's infidelity.
#

Men and women have different views on cheating.

A women is more concerned the 'other women’ will take the guy and this is true the more qualities the guy has.

For example:

A rich guy, or a hot guy would be ‘forgiven’ in rather a lot of circumstances if:

He did not get the other girl pregnant (i.e his time and resources are now taken up by the ‘other women’)
He didn't start giving the other women attention.

You see it all the time.

Rich guys and successful guys, cheating on the women left right and centre and the women still stick with them.

Men and women think differently about cheating.

Has a man we cant get past that some other male has injected his love juice into your women and I believe this goes back to nature – i.e not wanting to raise another mans son.

Where as a women, is more focused on; what the man can offer –

Yes women do not want the man to cheat, but most will either ignore or pretend it didn't even happen. If the guy had the right excuse he would be forgiven.

But this only equates to the ‘catch male’, i.e the more qualities that are desirable to the women, the more of a chance she will forgive and forget.

Look at David Beckham for example, cheated on his wife numerous times and not even a peep out of the wife – why? Because she gets so much attention from being with David – His cheating makes no dint on her character at all, if anything she will get more sympathy and attention from other women.

Now if it was in reverse and Posh cheated for example; David will be humiliated and his man hood is left in question.

It really is different.

I think men who have partners that leave them because they cheated either:

A: went too far.
B: Did not have the qualities that where truly desirable by the women enough to surpass the cheating.


Women forgive cheaters all the time, but there is a crux – they usually forgive cheaters if:

A: The story pulls the old heart strings.
C: The guy is Hot (bad boy, playa', alpha stud)
D: The guy is rich (or has the potential, see provider guy)
C: The guy is a 'catch' or socially desirable in the womens socio group.

If you have a combination of the above 4, you could probably get away with cheating on your women and get virtually no backlash from it – but if for example you’re cheating was to effect your ‘relationship’ to your partner, that is when you would see a problem.

Women don’t like ‘affairs’.
But they ‘will’ and do forgive ‘one night stands’ rather regularly.

After all a good % of women actually think ‘ men cant help it ‘ and that is - good for us.

If you know what to say and she finds out you’ve been sleeping around, you can twist it around – more so then you could do if the genders where reversed.

Also I believe if a women is into you, she is going to be more ‘upset’ if you leave her for ‘no one else’, i.e you leave her to be free, then she would be if you left her for another women. The second she can excuse – the first she has to reflect deeply into herself and wonder what she did and that is something I feel most women do not like to do at all.

If women did not get stupid payments from divorce courts, the ratio of women who would put up with the man having a younger lover would sky-rocket.

Alternativly, no man worth shi* would put up with his women sleeping with anyone else, no matter what she had.

Look at the attention the women is getting and all the gushing emotions from the other women, they love this shi* - This drama is like crack to them. The cheating pales compared to all the attention the chick is getting with this - Yes she will put up a front, but if the guy manned up a little and told her to either accept it or get the fu** out, this drama would not of even happened - But then again this would have deprived the women her chance to pour out all her emotional feelings -

Though personnally I think having your women go on a talk show talking about you cheating has to be the bigged AFC shi* I have seen this morning - Look at him sat there like a simpering beta provider guy wimp ass*d fuc* - the guy is nothing but a commodity and that is why she does not mind, but she will rub it in because at the end of the day, it gives her power over her B***H and his cheating only helped to shift the power to her from him, because he let it.

The way she looks at him, whilst telling the story like some school teacher mocking a child, really does tell a story in itself. No wonder the guy cheated.

The cheating was a real good excuse to 'grab power' and the women is more concerned about that, then she is about him fuc*ing someone else - That much is clear.

This is an example of a guy who if his circumstances changed the women would be thinking of an out! I would put money on that.

I see a poor guy castrated by kids and a power hungry wife - Poor bastar* - But he brings it on himself, the first evidence of Manliness and cheating on this cun*, is met with more power for her and less for him - His ball sack has probably gone so far inside his stomach, i'd be surpised if he is even allowed to fuc* the master of that relationship.

This guy is a beta provider and a perfect example of what your life could be if you marry some power hungry bitc8 and let her control you.

She has the perfect excuse to dump him, take his kids and half his pay-check, so why doesn't she? Becuase here we have a perfect example of a women with a lap-dog and why should she give up that? She has him under her boot heel already. If he rebels or puts up a fight or tries to look for his balls, he has the threat of the law of the land to look forward to.

Dont you just love it - seeing castrated males with power hungry bitc*'s, makes me happy I aint sat next to her thats for sure.
 
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Excellent post, jonwon.

I agree 100%, but what struck me about this situation is that women who are IN a relationship with the "quality" man who cheats can easily forgive and forget, but most of the time when they hear about someone else's situation they aren't so quick to rationalize it.

I have a friend that has cheated on his g/f to the point where the g/f HAS to know something is up. Chick will stick with him, but she DEMONIZES other men who cheat. They are the scum of the earth! But sh!t goes on righ under her nose and she tolerates it.
 

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Excellent post, jonwon.

I agree 100%, but what struck me about this situation is that women who are IN a relationship with the "quality" man who cheats can easily forgive and forget, but most of the time when they hear about someone else's situation they aren't so quick to rationalize it.

I have a friend that has cheated on his g/f to the point where the g/f HAS to know something is up. Chick will stick with him, but she DEMONIZES other men who cheat. They are the scum of the earth! But sh!t goes on righ under her nose and she tolerates it.
The girl tolerates it and stays with him if he cheats - but will she still RESPECT him? This I am trying to figure out.
 

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The girl tolerates it and stays with him if he cheats - but will she still RESPECT him? This I am trying to figure out.
If anything, she will respect him more due to the fact that she now knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man a) has options, and b) isn't afraid to explore them.

Male infidelity isn't anywhere near as serious as female infidelity as far as the consequences to the opposite sex. Besides the fact that it introduces the possibility of paternity fraud, when a man cheats it's usually about sexual satisfaction, when a woman cheats she is usually looking to replace her man (or subconsciously commit paternity fraud)

What it comes down to is that women have a lot of incentive to overlook or forgive infidelity, men have a lot of incentive to dump the cheating b!tch.
 

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What do you guys think about Berlusconi geting a divorce ?
 

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Well they are now getting a divorce and guess who is solely to be blamed on everything?!

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b130866_kate_gosselin_feels_like_she_failed_its.html

Kate tells her side of the story in this week's People, and basically it all boils down to Jon being the one who changed too much. The only thing Kate did wrong was thinking marriages could last.

"I was operating under the belief that marriage is forever," she tells the mag. "So I exhausted myself trying to do everything and make everything be okay, when maybe it just couldn't."

So while she was busy trying too hard, Jon was changing.

"It was event after event after event where I came to realize: This is not the same person I married," Kate says of Jon's behavior. "I remember just looking at him and thinking, 'I wouldn't choose to marry that exact person right now...so why am I here?' "

Eventually, Jon told her to get a lawyer because he had a lawyer and divorce time was on. Kate says she "curled up in a ball and sobbed," then she and Jon told the kids about the separation, and then she called up People to tell them all about it.

Totally normal way to deal with divorce.

But the mag does offer her an outlet to deal with all her feelings, so that's good. Her big first feeling being relief, "I've been living in a pressure cooker for a long time. On a good day I feel relief. On a bad day I feel failure."

She says she doesn't feel hate, though, "I don't hate Jon. He's lost, he's confused. I don't look at him 100 percent of the time with horrible anger and animosity."

And then there's her annoyance with all these celebrity magazines, which somehow doesn't stop her from talking to a celebrity magazine.
 
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