Would you seriously consider a single mom

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stuka1939 said:
So is being a single mom the kiss of death for a woman?

My cousin is an attractive 29 year old who has two three year old adorable twins.

Is she going to have a hard time meeting guys because of this.
Actually no. There's a whole modern world that's teeming with AFC providers with Cap'n Save-a-ho Martyr Mentalities just itching to get at the pussie they missed out on in their 20's and more than willing to convince themselves that single mommies are just victims of the Jerks they knocked out their kids with.


Understand, single mommies are another form of Buffers. The deductive logic is that they're 'easier' due the their conditions and the risk of rejection lower (particularly if you're rejection-phobic or in a dry spell), but the potential long term ramifications are never worth the effort incomparisson to childless women. Rejection is better than regret.

Never allow your conditions to lower your standards. Go out and initiate with single women you are genuinely attracted to rather than settling for ones who are anything less than ideal. Keep your standards inspite of your conditions.

Have a read of Schedules of Mating to get a better understanding of the single mommy trap.
 

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Single mothers are very common. That does not make them bad people, slvts, or manipulative hors, like some here believe. These things happen.

There are some WACKO women out there who want a husband or a baby so badly that they will do some of the most underhanded, deceptive things to achieve their dream, but there are also plenty of gutless, vain men out there who will split faster than you can say "zygote" if they find out they got a woman pregnant.

So, to answer your question, I would not simply because I dont want to raise another man's child. I dont care how hot she is. What if you had sex with her and she got pregnant with your child?! Now your fvcked.

It's a personal boundary for me. You have to make your own.
 

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She does not have kids by being a slut, at least that is not what she told me, in fact I don't think she has that much experience with other men besides her ex. They met in high school, fell in love and got married out of college, had a kid together and divorced for whatever reason not long after that. I think her ex husband was one of the only other men she had ever been with.
 

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"there are also plenty of gutless, vain men out there who will split faster than you can say "zygote" if they find out they got a woman pregnant."

If any of those men were the type that continuously told the woman "I don't want to have a kid" and she went through with it anyway I have absolutely no sympathy when the guy bails on her. She got exactly what she deserved by not respecting another person's wishes. Yep the law is on the woman's side currently surrounding this but that doesn't make it fair or right. There are far too many beta male AFC mother fvckers in the world that allow these unfair laws to stand because they allow themselves to be guilt tripped by something they shouldn't be guilt tripped by in the first place considering the woman literally has all the power to move forward with or terminate the pregnancy.

"Single mothers are very common. That does not make them bad people, slvts, or manipulative hors, like some here believe. These things happen."

This is definitely true.

Not all single mothers are slvts, manipulators or hors.

A lot are good and great people.

The thing is though why would a DJ even bother wasting his time deciphering whether a single mommy is a good person or a bad person just out looking for a new daddy for the kids when there are a ton of single attractive childless hassle free young ladies out there for the DJ, the man of options to choose from?

The answer is a DJ in general wouldn't.

Unless he lives in a very small town and is going through a severe dry spell but even then moving to a more active city or state would be much more preferable to shacking up with a single mommy.

Having a lot of options is critical towards being a DJ.

It prevents a guy from being so desperate for some poon he'll consider a single mommy, knock it out with a fat chick, start macking on his best friend's girlfriend risking his life long friendship in the process or settling for less than he knows he is worth.

Having no options is a fertile breeding ground for a DJ de-evolving back into an AFC.
 

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If she makes you happy, that is really all that matters. Leave the b!tch when she stops making you happy, kids or no kids. As long as you keep that mindset, you'll be ok.

I have seen it both ways. A lot of guys I knew from law school are bookish and not great with girls. But then when they become a lawyer, suddenly they are attractive to women. Unfortunately, they have been conditioned by a lifetime of failures with women, so they take whatever they can get on any terms. A friend of mine is a young lawyer, whose dad owns the firm he works at and is one of the richest men in town - and he did exactly as described in the post above this one. Now he is raising two pre-teen girls who are not his.

That single mom who told me she just wants to fvck, she and I go way back, and I do care about her a lot. But she has a 10-month old baby whose father is an absent idiot deadbeat, and two other kids by another guy who I went to school with. I like all of her kids - I know them well, and have been around them a lot...I just don't like kids in general that much. I don't get off on playing house and being a "family." Apparently, some guys do.

One thing I do like about single mommies is that usually I get to skip all of the dating crap and go straight to the sex. It requires a baby sitter to go on a date, and it's easier just to hang out at the house until the kids go to sleep, fvck, and then leave. Single mommies are lonely, and they need to get laid as badly as anyone else. They also tend to advertise their loneliness and availability by being on myspace too much. There are a lot of them out there. Between myspace being free and not having to go on a date once you meet her, this is "cheap sex" on multiple levels.

Although I currently have a gf, who is childless btw, you guys who are not getting laid could easily be banging 2-3 new lonely single moms every week. You don't have to marry them, either. That's another benefit of a single mom - they can usually handle just being booty-call fvck buddies. So I agree that they are not ideal, but if they make you happy, I promise the pvssy feels exactly the same when there is a kid asleep in the next room.
 

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I would ask the question why you? then work "backwards".
 

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KontrollerX said:
Having a lot of options is critical towards being a DJ.

It prevents a guy from being so desperate for some poon he'll consider a single mommy, knock it out with a fat chick, start macking on his best friend's girlfriend risking his life long friendship in the process or settling for less than he knows he is worth.

Having no options is a fertile breeding ground for a DJ de-evolving back into an AFC.
This is very true. You cannot live successfully as a DJ if you dont have a circulating pool of options.

I have lived and breathed the small town experience, and let me tell you there is nothing like a prolonged period of nothing that will suck you back into the self-defeating AFC mindsets.

I empathize with these guys who live out in the middle of nowhere. You can tell them to go out and spin plates until you're blue in the face, but when you are in the desert of no options this is just not possible. This is where regrettable decisions are made.

I would implore all you small-towners here who are struggling to change your situation. Move--the place where you are at now isnt going to get any better, trust me. Go where there is abundance, and you will naturally have the abundance mindset.
 

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The best way to know is to find out through your own experience. Plan it out. Set a few rules for yourself.

For example:
1. No babysitting
2. No diaper changing
3. etc

You have a lot of thinking to do.
 

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I did. Great girl. Would not do it again. See, as wonderful as she might be, the problem is (95% of the time) you're not going to be getting yourself into a win-win relationship.

--If on the one hand, you and she commit to each other, you're going to be raising another man's kids. That's tough enough as is for most guys, but if the biological father is still around, you're really in a tough situation.

--If on the other hand, you stay together for a while and try to 'keep it casual', that usually won't work for her. It's just not in a woman's best interest to keep having sex with the same guy over such a long time without a commitment. She'll start pushing for one.

So the only option for most guys is not to get too involved with her. On the other hand, a lot of single moms have little free time and the idea of using that free time to spend time with another guy who has no intention of staying around doesn't appeal to a lot of them. So it's hard to get a win-win relationship.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
One thing I do like about single mommies is that usually I get to skip all of the dating crap and go straight to the sex ... That's another benefit of a single mom - they can usually handle just being booty-call fvck buddies. So I agree that they are not ideal, but if they make you happy, I promise the pvssy feels exactly the same when there is a kid asleep in the next room.
That is a good point, and it's the only logical reason for dating a single mommy. But be careful not to leave your seed - even if she says that she is "protected".
 

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Okay, you guys tend to think that single women are desperate and easy, perhaps relatively they are. However, I think online dating sites are a godsend to these women. I think the majority of the women on these sites older than their mid 20's tend to be single moms.

And yet if you read forums like Plenty of Fish, it is filled with guys complaining about how no women are writing them back and the women saying they are being constantly bombarded with emails from numerous guys.

I have had equally rotten luck on Plenty of Fish as those other guys had, only had a few nibbles and not much more. I get tons more successful contacts so far with Match, but still most of that success seems to be with either older woman and/or single moms. If you were given the choice, at my age, between a 34 year old woman with feminist tendencies who never had a kid, who is a busty HB6-7 if that, and a 24 year old single mother who is an HB9-10, and who had a personality you seemed to click with better, who is the better choice here?

This pretty much seems to be the dilemma I am faced with as far as online dating goes. Also in the real world, perhaps it is the area, perhaps it is my age, the women here that I connect with if they are attractive at all tend to be milfs also.
 

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StevenR said:
If you were given the choice, at my age, between a 34 year old woman with feminist tendencies who never had a kid, who is a busty HB6-7 if that, and a 24 year old single mother who is an HB9-10, and who had a personality you seemed to click with better, who is the better choice here?

This pretty much seems to be the dilemma I am faced with as far as online dating goes. Also in the real world, perhaps it is the area, perhaps it is my age, the women here that I connect with if they are attractive at all tend to be milfs also.
So you are saying that it is worth paying the price in terms of helping to raise some man's seed to get access to what you consider to be an otherwise desirable woman. Another forum member, Edger, has decided that he would just pay cold hard cash to get access to such women.

Nobody said life was easy. We all have to cope with the hand we've been dealt. My solution is to spend a lot of time in Eastern Europe.
 

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StevenR said:
I don't have kids, but I am less than one year short of 35 and she is 24, so she has plenty more time to have kids. She was married and divorced a year ago. At 35 and over if I use Match.com to get a date it will be very difficult for me to find a childless woman under 30 who wants to have kids, and who is willing to meet a guy over 35.

So if the trade off for kids is that she is a decade younger than me, is an hb10 and still has a killer body, is great in bed, is in real estate and still makes a six figure income herself even in this economy, so I am not supporting her kids financially since she currently makes more than I do, and she is cool with my religious beliefs, or in my case lack therof, and many women are not.

Not to telling you what to do, well, ok, yes I am; those qualities above are those that you probably won't find in most women, regardless if they are single mothers, never married, etc. Sounds like you found a great catch. Too early too tell, but don't let anybody else's opinion(s) get in the way of something that might have potential. That is why you date her and see if there is more to her than her looks and her money.

The fact that you are considering not dating her, just because she was once married and had a kid, and are needing validation from people, many who have dated and/or are dating single moms who have a lot less going for them than the one you are dating, tells that you might need to tighten your inner game a little more. 35 year old male with value and confidence is very marketable to women of any age.

Single women with NO OPTIONS, who don't have the looks, carreer, and/or the self-esteem, are the ones that are desperate. Believe me, she has her options, she is a young woman, with plenty of suitors, and willing men. I know a lot of never married with no kids women who are DESPERATE. Case by case basis.
 

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Timing may be the big thing here. I have dated some single moms who are just recently separated or divorced, and they have been all about having wild, crazy, unencumbered sex. Then again, I've dated women in their mid 30's who are totally relationship focused, and all about the "courtship process" and the best I could get out of them was a kiss at the end of a date. So for now, I'll take the single moms who want to have a good time.
 

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StevenR said:
And yet if you read forums like Plenty of Fish, it is filled with guys complaining about how no women are writing them back and the women saying they are being constantly bombarded with emails from numerous guys.
Plenty of Fish is the bottom of the dating barrel, IMO. It tends to be populated by every overweight woman who could not possibly get a date anywhere else. Of course the few hot or above average woken on POF are going to get bombarded. And I'm sure it's great for their egos too. But it's just not a very target rich environment, and certainly not the best place for a DJ to find lots of opportunity for his time.
 

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##17 said:
I did. Great girl. Would not do it again. See, as wonderful as she might be, the problem is (95% of the time) you're not going to be getting yourself into a win-win relationship.

--If on the one hand, you and she commit to each other, you're going to be raising another man's kids. That's tough enough as is for most guys, but if the biological father is still around, you're really in a tough situation.

--If on the other hand, you stay together for a while and try to 'keep it casual', that usually won't work for her. It's just not in a woman's best interest to keep having sex with the same guy over such a long time without a commitment. She'll start pushing for one.

So the only option for most guys is not to get too involved with her. On the other hand, a lot of single moms have little free time and the idea of using that free time to spend time with another guy who has no intention of staying around doesn't appeal to a lot of them. So it's hard to get a win-win relationship.
Another view on the single momy situation: yes, you might find yourself raising someone else's kids, but if the relationship is good with the ex, said ex will be taking those kids on some weekends, and who knows when else, leaving you and the single mommy more time to spend together than you ever would if you had your own kids. So it really depends on how badly you want kids yourself. Plus, the ex might have to pay for their college down the road. Talk about a cost/benefit!
 

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I am starting to have more opportunities meeting young beautiful women through my photography I am doing. I joined this group of photographers that does sessions with models. What I mean by model here usually are pretty gals in other professions who like to do this part time of like having pictures taken of themselves. Right now I am trying to be professional but I sometimes wonder when a model is all flirty with you during a photo session if she is just doing her job or is she is real interested.

I don't want to push things with any of them however because I don't want to get kicked out. Some of them did express interest in doing some private photo shoots with me though, but I need to be very careful because I am serious about photography and I don't want to ruin my reputation. But man, some of those women, just this weekend I got an email from a 26 yo hottie who wants to do an outdoor shoot at a nearby famous scenic location.
 

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The problem with actualizing your fantasy encounter with a MILF is in the 'M' part of the acronym - 'Mother' - ergo, a single mommie with all of the very "real world" baggage that goes along with that. I've tapped my share of older women when I was in my 20s and I can tell you that the sex was no more or less extrordinary than the younger women I've been with. The only major difference? I never had to worry about 22 y.o. single girls finding a babysitter for a night or had to be concerned with her making too much noise during sex so as not to wake up her son in the next room. Nor was I concerned about it being "her weekend" to have the kids.

It's very easy to assume single mothers are victims by default - some are, most aren't. Trust me, a majority of single mothers are single for a reason - and it's not always because of their Jerk BFs or deadbeat husbands. The common belief is that MILFs encourage an idea that they are more sexually available; you've got to ask yourself, why would they be motivted to be more sexual while single than when they we're married or in an LTR? They become motivated to be sexual and hit the gym when single, but wouldn't make the same effort when married, why? Because the guy wasn't worth it OR because she became comfortable, he lost interest, became fed up, and she's prompted to be more concerned with all that in order to achieve a long term security with another man that necessitates she do so?

Don't get me wrong, there are attractive women in their 30s & 40s but these are uncommon exceptions to the rule. The social reinforcement of the MILF fantasy is just a modern extension and evolution of the "she's still got it" social convention with the latent purpose of leveling the playing field for 30-40 something single mothers unable to sexually compete for the same calibre men with 18-28 y.o. women. The harsh truth is that a beautiful, sexually available, single woman in her mid 20's is at a decided advantage for sexual selection than a single mother entering her 30's who's encumbered with all the responsibilities of being a parent. Schedules of Mating issues aside, even when both women are equally attractive and equally sexually available, the childless woman is still at an advantage because she comes with less liabilities and represents a "fresh start" in comparison.

Women's sexual value naturally declines as they ages - it serves an older woman's purpose if she can redefine sexuality as her conditions change through life, and convince herself and society that she's correct and genuine. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore may epitomize this fantasy, but in reality, there are thousands of women filling gyms across the country for every Demi Moore convinced that they "still got it" while every year a new crop of 22-24 y.o. hotties commands the attention of the same men they're competing for. This is just the natural extension of the 'Have It All" lie that women have been sold for the last 50 years. Men only too eagerly buy this convention as well because it facilitates a Buffer for them and (presumedly) presents an easier route to getting laid. Therefore it is also in their interest that the myth and the Buffer be reinforced.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
The problem with actualizing your fantasy encounter with a MILF is in the 'M' part of the acronym - 'Mother' - ergo, a single mommie with all of the very "real world" baggage that goes along with that. I've tapped my share of older women when I was in my 20s and I can tell you that the sex was no more or less extrordinary than the younger women I've been with. The only major difference? I never had to worry about 22 y.o. single girls finding a babysitter for a night or had to be concerned with her making too much noise during sex so as not to wake up her son in the next room. Nor was I concerned about it being "her weekend" to have the kids.

It's very easy to assume single mothers are victims by default - some are, most aren't. Trust me, a majority of single mothers are single for a reason - and it's not always because of their Jerk BFs or deadbeat husbands. The common belief is that MILFs encourage an idea that they are more sexually available; you've got to ask yourself, why would they be motivted to be more sexual while single than when they we're married or in an LTR? They become motivated to be sexual and hit the gym when single, but wouldn't make the same effort when married, why? Because the guy wasn't worth it OR because she became comfortable, he lost interest, became fed up, and she's prompted to be more concerned with all that in order to achieve a long term security with another man that necessitates she do so?

Don't get me wrong, there are attractive women in their 30s & 40s but these are uncommon exceptions to the rule. The social reinforcement of the MILF fantasy is just a modern extension and evolution of the "she's still got it" social convention with the latent purpose of leveling the playing field for 30-40 something single mothers unable to sexually compete for the same calibre men with 18-28 y.o. women. The harsh truth is that a beautiful, sexually available, single woman in her mid 20's is at a decided advantage for sexual selection than a single mother entering her 30's who's encumbered with all the responsibilities of being a parent. Schedules of Mating issues aside, even when both women are equally attractive and equally sexually available, the childless woman is still at an advantage because she comes with less liabilities and represents a "fresh start" in comparison.

Women's sexual value naturally declines as they ages - it serves an older woman's purpose if she can redefine sexuality as her conditions change through life, and convince herself and society that she's correct and genuine. Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore may epitomize this fantasy, but in reality, there are thousands of women filling gyms across the country for every Demi Moore convinced that they "still got it" while every year a new crop of 22-24 y.o. hotties commands the attention of the same men they're competing for. This is just the natural extension of the 'Have It All" lie that women have been sold for the last 50 years. Men only too eagerly buy this convention as well because it facilitates a Buffer for them and (presumedly) presents an easier route to getting laid. Therefore it is also in their interest that the myth and the Buffer be reinforced.

well said sir!,

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thirdtimescharm said:
Another view on the single momy situation: yes, you might find yourself raising someone else's kids, but if the relationship is good with the ex, said ex will be taking those kids on some weekends, and who knows when else, leaving you and the single mommy more time to spend together than you ever would if you had your own kids. So it really depends on how badly you want kids yourself. Plus, the ex might have to pay for their college down the road. Talk about a cost/benefit!
Huh?

Now why would it be a 'cost benefit' for me if the ex pays for his kids' education? They're his kids, not mine!
 
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