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Just curious here. I've been working out to get big(6'3" 190lbs right now) but really does being a big muscle man really help that much. I mean it's all in the face isn't it. Ashton Kutcher is a lanky pr!ck but loads of chicks dig him....

For instance if you saw this chick with a smoking body but a face like a pit bull would you be attracted to her, I think not....

I'm like a 7/10, pretty average, and most of the women I've been with have been in a similar category. For instance if your butt ugly and skinny/fat, even if you work out you're just going to be a muscular ugly guy afterwards...

Would you date a woman with a rack like pam anderson and body like Jen aniston but a face like it got run over by a steamroller? Don't think so....

Just curious, either way I'll continue to work out because I enjoy it :)
 

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yeah its mostly in the face, but having a decent body can help out in the end. i guess knowing u have muscles etc will give u extra confidence, cos thats all u need really.

im not chasing the perfect women or number 9's or whateva, any girl that im attracted to is game, and often a confident fun personality with avergage looks will win out with me.
 

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look at vin deisel. I have girl friends constantly talk of how hot he is. Sure, Justin Timberlake (*shudder*) has a decent female following, but not as much as the muscle dude.

Being tall and having big muscles is very masculine and turns women on, like you being turned on at the sight of great tits and ass.

A majority of women I've asked like the tennis player/ soccer athlete - lean muscle. Sort of in between a marathon runner and a sprinter.

Being in shape show her you take care of yourself and wont become a fat slob 10 years after marraige. Plus it means you have greater stamina in bed :eek:
 

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Another thing is that when you work out alot your fat percentage etc will be lower and facialfat will go away and you're face will get more contures etc. Ashton Kutcher has very low fatpercentage as is very visible in his face.
 

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Vin Diesel's face is really nothing to look at. Its his overall "package"; his muscles, confidence, wears a shaved head well, and overall masculinity that he projects.

If you consider yourself a 7/10, I would say that is better than average. I would consider 5/10 average.

But every little thing you can add will help, (money, career, DJ skills, muscles, etc.). It can't hurt.

vdk:
A majority of women I've asked like the tennis player/ soccer athlete - lean muscle. Sort of in between a marathon runner and a sprinter.
In the States, women love the muscular guy.
 

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Of course it helps u look better but u assume that everybody who works out is butt ugly. If a girl has a real ugly face but a tight body u wouldnt dig her too much. Most of us dont have ugly, but rather average looking faces I guess. So imagine a chick with a average looking face a flat stomach a hot ass and cupsize c-d..you most likely would want to bang her really bad. Im pretty sure that working out and having some muscles, a nice figure and all dat has helped me a lot with becoming more attractive to girls.
 

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Women love VISIBLE muscles, doesn't matter if they are big og slender. Aslong as it has good tone so it's visible that you have worked out and that you can see the muscles and fibers move.

Girls seem to LOVE lowerarm muscles/fibers, when you use your fingers and you have worked out arms you can see the movement in lowerarms, I've had alot of female friends tell me they love that for some strange reason.
 

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Ashton Kutcher and Vin Diesel are rich and famous and have immortal social proof. That overpowers any issues with their looks. Lately, I've even seen women swoon over William Hung while he's got his 15 minutes.

For me, lifting relieves stress and angst. When I'm being consistent in the gym, women and people in general find me more approachable.

If you value having more muscles, then don't stop lifting. The confidence you gain will matter more than the muscles, and those won't hurt either.

Nobody's perfect. If your face isn't 100% model quality, that's just one strike against you. Every guy has some strikes against him, just find the ones you can control and do something about those. Don't forget, women don't prioritize looks as highly as men do.
 

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You can be the guy with the 8+ looks and big diesel arm & body.

but if you carry yourself like you have no energy and drag your feet when you walk, or walk slow....it shows you have no confidence!!

I see this same dude everytime in the gym he's got big muscle arms and body. but he doesnt stick out his chest, back sorta humped, and his facial expression looks like he just lost his wallet.

i go there thinking...wow it's a shame he's doing this to himself when he could be getting all the ass he wants.

i'm somehwere on the skinny side, but i walk with confidence and smile, ppl respect me there and so do the girls.

looks + body + confidence = great
looks - body + confidence = good
soso looks + body + confidence = good
looks + body - confidence = bad
 

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You can't say: "girls love X" or "girls like Y"

First of all, they don't really know what they like themselves. Second of all, they DO have different tastes.

Just look at the "Paris Hilton Sucks" thread in Anything Else. I think she's ugly and there's a ton of guys who thinks she's hot.

Plus, even if I like an X body type, doesn't mean I won't fall for a girl with a Y body type if she presses my buttons the right way.

So look what you wanna look and be happy. Some girls will like you, some wont.
 

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"So look what you wanna look and be happy. Some girls will like you, some wont."

This is good advice.

However, just because some girls like X and some like Y doesn't mean that far more like X than Y.

When you get big, girls notice. Trust me. I've put on about 20 pounds of muscle over the past year, and girls have most definitely been noticing. They'll make up excuses to touch you a lot more. That sort of thing.

Girls just don't like the sweaty meathead. Don't be that guy if you're looking to merge your interests with that of the ladies.
 

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Originally posted by akindofblue
Girls just don't like the sweaty meathead. Don't be that guy if you're looking to merge your interests with that of the ladies.
Being the sweaty meathead, I disagree :D
 

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Theres no doubt girls like a guy in good shape but I think if your atleast average or even a little below average in your face you can still land a ton of chicks if you have a more muscular build.

I know guys who just have natural good looks and average height who land TONS of ladies like crazy and I know guys who have a killer body with six-pack abs but look more like a model instead of a body builder but still land a ton of chicks. The only guys I know who don't land chicks are the ones who are COMPLETE AFC's to the extreme and don't workout. Even the guys I know who look slightly above average yet still are totally cool talking to chicks land so many girls it's crazy. This is a little off topic but too many people on here stress too much "this is afc, thats afc" but from what I have seen as long as you feel good about yourself inside and workout a bit you would be surprised what you can get away with when it comes to girls in what most guys consider "AFC".

But when it comes to looks theres no doubt muscles do help but I think whats more important is if you have naturally good looks and as long as you workout and keep a nice toned body look you will be swimming in women. Also when it comes to women height DOES matter and the only guy I know who has hard time getting chicks is a total AFC woose and looks like a shrimp and his brother who is fat and a total AFC with bad looks.

One of the main reasons to workout if you ask me is for the HUGE confidence boost but there is still no doubt that the muscles help alot just like height helps.
 

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Originally posted by Safari
Lately, I've even seen women swoon over William Hung while he's got his 15 minutes.

LOLOLOL! That guy is a focken joke, but I still admire his ballsiness. Actually, he is a dweeb/geek with simply NOTHING TO LOSE. Better to be a famous boob than an anonymous boob, right? ;) :D That's how I see his motivations, anyway.
 

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Having a much more toned, defined, muscled and well structured body frame will dramatically help you out tons 100% than from where you are now a skinny dweeb with a pot belly. But the best thing about being slim is that we look stunning wearing anything next to a suit or just take a look at the backstreetboys 1999. If you naturally wear that style while the style doesn't wear you then play on that game. A FATASS gets no puzzy unless he puts himself to work!

I've said it time and time again when you gain muscle mass you face also changes and becomes 'muscular' as well. Take a look at Edward Norton in the movie "American History X" and then look at him in that other foolish movie of his.

Peace.

P.S If your really interested in up-ing your game even more and making it a hell of a lot easier for you to get puzzy with less the effort without having to even OPEN YOUR UGLY MOUTH then... gain more muscle mass... you'd be surprised at how easy it is after that. A lot of girls looking to hook up ONS don't really want to know you DEEPLY enough for anything other than a good Fvck! Your body will do that for you! But if you're still looking for that 'special person' who will love me for who i am and as i come then don't complain while she is screwing Vin Diesel because she wasn't for YOU in the first place.
 

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Originally posted by Genghis Juan


vdk:


In the States, women love the muscular guy.

I disagree - I really think it depends.


I think that if given the chance, most women would prefer the swimmer's body. I honestly do, that's just my opinion. I'm not saying that because I don't have the stocky, 'muscles-comin'-out-of-my-azz' build - I could seriously build my body up that much if I chose to do so (I can press 65-70# for many reps on the incline dumbell, so it's not I don't have the ability to get massive if I chose to). It goes beyond that.


I say it because women in the end want a guy who looks good in clothes too (ask them... they will certainly appreciate a man who looks great naked, but they also want him to look sleek and slender in clothes - remember that they like to parade us around too) - it's usually the sleek and lanky types that looking great in designer suits and dress shirts, while the wide, muscular men with enormaous V-shape lats and chunky muscular triceps look like.... cavemen. :p It's just aesthetically incoherent with the whole fashion model look. And it's not like it's impossible to become incredibly strong without being muscle-bound like The Rock. Having said that, it is possible to pack some shredded and powerful muscle in a COMPACT frame. I think women dig that the most.


Of course due to cultural reasons women from different countries will find certain looks more appealing. For example, most Asian women find the muscle-bound look repulsive, because they are slender themselves and are used to the bodies of compactly muscular Asian men. Black American women seem to prefer the stocky, super-muscular build, because overall they are on the larger side themselves (no offense). White European women overwhelmingly prefer the lean soccer-player/swimmer build because that's how their cultural aesthetics are - most European cultures do not really emphasize brute power/strength in the mainstream. White American women are a bit overweight (so prefer a large men to make them feel more feminine), and also come from a culture that emphasizes brute size (it's all subliminal, I think.... just look how America emphasizes everything size-wise - like pickup trucks, skyscrapers, even penises! :D ) - so they prefer more built men.



In addition, there is also a regional difference in America as far as womens' preferneces for male bodies go:


- women in fashion conscious and cutting edge areas like Manhattan in NYC like fashion-model bodies.

- women in urban areas like Spanish Harlem, Brooklyn, Jamaica Plains NYC, etc. like muscular men because it makes them feel protected

- women in Texas like larger men because the culture there emphasizes size and physicality above anything else (yes, even intellectual things, dare I say it. :p)

- white women in the backwaters of Orange County, CA like more muscular men because of the whole lower socio-economic/biker/trailer-trash/Hells Angels/West Coast Choppers type of culture, while the white women in more upscale areas of OC Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, etc. like the model build.





....basically, it's a combination of cultural values, socio-economic status, and biology/genetic makeup.
 

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I've said it time and time again when you gain muscle mass you face also changes and becomes 'muscular' as well. Take a look at Edward Norton in the movie "American History X" and then look at him in that other foolish movie of his.
Yeah I notice a huge difference but I don't think it's actually "muscle mass" in his face but just a lower body fat overall that someone mentioned earlier.
 

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You should possibly also consider some the less superficial reasons to work out such as it makes 'YOU' feel better, gives you a spring, gives you energy, lets you sleep better, gives you a glow, possibly slow down ageing and a million other subtle benefits

If you can obtain all of this then you will stand out compared to an unfit guy who probaby has grayness in and around his eyes and does not look healthy.

Heck if you only work out to impress a girl then I would cut that out and start taking the roids which will help you do more with less effort....................however it might phuck you up.
 

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From what I see most white women even the real hot ones prefer the more model toned build. The HUGE majority of the men out there are eather fat lazy slobs, feminized, and are total AFC's that are in crappy shape so us DJ's who stay in shape have a HUGE advantage when it comes to women.

I have the more model type build and thats what I like but theres nothing wrong with alot of muscle. The clothes I wear are more towards the expensive side such as Gucci and stuff like that, I do dress pretty casually though.

One thing I know for sure is no women out there likes a guy who has any type of fat belly on him it just looks gross.
 

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Humans are geneticly programmed to find certain bodyratios more attractive than others. Like hip, weist, shoulder ratio on women....
Symmetry is really important so having good symmetry, welldefined proportional muscles is good.
 

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