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Decided to post this here to get advice from other teenagers. I've been working out on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Usually just pushups, dips on my bed, DB rows, curls, crunches, bicycles etc.

I've seen people in the HS forum talk about working out everyday, but I've heard most people say rest is required to actually build the muscle. Thoughts?
 

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Don't split, don't work out everyday.

About your exercises: Do something for your legs (first priority) preferably squats, single leg squats and deadlifts.
Next, do pullups/chinups. They're worth the curls and the rows together.
Lastly, pass the crunches. No one gets ab definition from something so easy year eight girls can pass 100. It's safer then situps, yeah, but it also doesn't actually do much. Just like situps. Replace it with Russian Planks or Hanging Leg Lifts. Cranks or 360 pulls if you're crazy strong.
 

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Jack Wealthy said:
Don't split, don't work out everyday.

About your exercises: Do something for your legs (first priority) preferably squats, single leg squats and deadlifts.
Next, do pullups/chinups. They're worth the curls and the rows together.
Lastly, pass the crunches. No one gets ab definition from something so easy year eight girls can pass 100. It's safer then situps, yeah, but it also doesn't actually do much. Just like situps. Replace it with Russian Planks or Hanging Leg Lifts. Cranks or 360 pulls if you're crazy strong.
So stick to three days a week?

Also I'd love to start doing pullups and leg raises, wondering if you knew anywhere good to get a bar in Australia? Interesting about the crunches, I have noticed that they don't seem to do much, and I never go past like 100 because I get bored doing them. Thanks for the advice!
 

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Jack Wealthy said:
I got mine from K-mart for $40, it came with pushup grips and a rollout wheel. Mens Health brand.

Where in Australia are you?
OK, I'll check out K-Mart, thanks.

Melbourne by the way, great place to live :)
 

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Jack; Russian planks? What's that? Couldn't find it on google.
& About the legs; running, is that also working?
 

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asianbboy said:
So farther forward than normal planks?
Sounded to me like either arms sitting on something, which seems bad for your joints, or bent arms.

Full explanation of Russian Planks please.
 

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*cracks knuckles*

This is my specialty. Allow me...

I haven't read all the posts so I'll just answer the question presented by the OP.

You do need to rest a few days to build muscle, but you only need to rest for the specific part you worked.

For example: If you work out your chest on Monday, you could still work out on Tuesday, you would just be working a different body part. Maybe lats or legs.

If you work on a certain muscle group and continue to work it for several days you risk injury and do not allow the muscle time to heal and grow.

Also, eat protein. I'm not going to critique your routine but protein speeds healing and promotes growth.
 

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BPH said:
*cracks knuckles*

This is my specialty. Allow me...

I haven't read all the posts so I'll just answer the question presented by the OP.

You do need to rest a few days to build muscle, but you only need to rest for the specific part you worked.

For example: If you work out your chest on Monday, you could still work out on Tuesday, you would just be working a different body part. Maybe lats or legs.

If you work on a certain muscle group and continue to work it for several days you risk injury and do not allow the muscle time to heal and grow.

Also, eat protein. I'm not going to critique your routine but protein speeds healing and promotes growth.
Never considered doing one muscle group everyday, do you ever feel like you haven't done enough?
 

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This is actually starting to get interesting. So BPH, as I'm about to set up my workout routine for the week, would you suggest for example doing pushups for arms and chest one day, crunches etc for six pack another day, and so on?
 

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ohbe said:
This is actually starting to get interesting. So BPH, as I'm about to set up my workout routine for the week, would you suggest for example doing pushups for arms and chest one day, crunches etc for six pack another day, and so on?
No dude, I wish. That's what I tried to do.

You can read the conversation in my journal. He's describing using heavy resistance for each body part, and working on one body section each day of the week. I didn't want a full weight routine, I wanted to do mostly body weight exercises. Push-ups, chin-ups, etc, and focus on a new exercise through an entire day. Do some in the morning, then again whenever I could, then at night.

I was told that this would be a good routine for muscular endurance, but not for muscle mass. If I wanted to do body weight exercises, I was advised to lump them together, all body parts, and work out 3-4 times a week, to have the others as rest days.

There is still that first option though. BPH is working out to get built. If you want to be serious about this, work on a specific body building routine that will challenge you.
 

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@BlueFiend By haven't done enough do you mean enough exercises? The workout that I follow gives me 5 or more exercises for each body part that I work. I only feel I haven't done enough when I look at the time, as each workout it about an hour and a half. But when I consider that the only rest I have during that time is the >60 seconds I get between sets I feel satisfied in my efforts. So no.

@ohbe I'm not 100% sure what you mean. If you're talking about a SINGLE exercise for a SINGLE body part each day, then no, do multiple exercises for each body part or do an exercise that works multiple muscles at once (deadlifts).

If you're talking about doing a different body part each day, then yes. That is optimal if you want to be universally strong rather than specialized (big dude with scrawny legs, strong runner with weak muscles). Also sprinkle in cardio.

As LearningSlowly mentioned, I did give him my 2 cents in his journal though I don't know specifically where it is.
 

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BPH Yeah, I was actually thinking of doing one body part per day with various exercises then doing another body part the following day, so the previous one I've done gets some rest. I hope you understand what I'm talking about. I actually do have quite a lot of muscle, but want to make it show up more. Maybe in my case I actually need to lose some weight? Oh and I also don't really have an access to a gym, so I'm considering working out in home conditions. Thanks for any advice.
 

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Just wondering if I could find out some of your routines (particularly BPH) to get an idea of what I should be doing everyday. I follow Scooby's routines (who you might be familiar with) and I don't feel like I could successfully split them up into different days.
 

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Don't split. Splitting sacrifices strength gain by depleting the Central Nervous System (CNS) so you can further exhaust muscles. Strength is mainly coordination of nerves, by working out everyday you stop the CNS from recovering. Even though you have 6 days worth of muscle groups, you have ONE Central Nervous System.

Don't bother with weights if its too hard. Google gymnastic bodies and dragondoor, they (esp. The first) beat the **** out of Scoobys workouts. The only reason I lift is because I find it enjoyable and for the diversity. Strength build with bodyweight transfers better to weights than weights to bodyweight. More importantly, it's free.

Don't bother with supplements. Skim milk is just as good.

Actually Norwegian, BPH and I have a really detailed discussion across the first two pages of LS's journal.

Russian plank is the same as a normal plank with elbows and shoulders in line, you push your elbows up to eye level or above. Your body will be more stretched, your leverage decreased and your body closer to the ground. Maintain either neutral (like you were standing with your backs natural arch) or hollow (without the arch but still stretched, as tall as possible) body position.

Another argument against splitting is that the excersise most worth doing use THE WHOLE body as a unit. The deadlift uses back, hips, legs, arms and core. The squat uses core, legs and back. The shoulder press engages you from head to toe. Same with the planche. So you never really rest a body part as much as an actual rest day would.

Basically, if you don't care about strength and only care about aestetics, split. I have nothing against it but I prefer strength to hypertrophy as a goal. If you want maximum returns for time put in, don't split. Focus if you want (whole body but mainly pulling, squatting or pressing) but train the movement, not the muscle. Unless you care more about appearance. Then focus on the muscle and split. Or don't whatever works for YOU.
 

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I'm not going to argue Jack's routine because I have not had firsthand experience with it and can't offer an opinion. I've seen how Jack looks, and it seems to be working for him but I'm only going to comment on what I know and what works for me.

@BlueFiend The workout that I currently follow is Scooby's Advanced routine. It is the one with 6 days of exercises and 7 days of cardio each week.

If you don't like "splitting the days" as you guys are saying, then I suggest Starting Strength. It is quite easy to follow, though it takes about a half hour to an hour longer than Scooby's routine. I did SS to bulk up for football season, I gained around 25lbs and grew very strong, though I also gained a tiny bit more fat and lost some definition as a result. It is a workout to be done 3 times a week.

Scooby's Advanced routine has made me even stronger, but my weight is fluctuating very little. Instead I am more defined and have much better endurance. So choose what you do based on this information.

@ohbe What you need is cardio, no doubt. If you want to show muscle you don't necessarily need to lose weight, just fat.

And since you have no gym I strongly suggest one of Scooby's workouts, as they are primarily designed for home use. I personally do his exercises in the gym since I don't have access to the heavy weights that I currently use.

EDIT: Another reason I don't currently do SS is because it puts less stress on my body. I have scoliosis so heavy squats and deadlifts would occasionally leave me with a lasting pain or a squat knot. I find that Scooby's exercises are not as grueling but leave your muscles feeling shot to sh** and sore the next day.
 
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