Wondering if this girl likes me

Bagofnuts

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So guys, i kinda need help on this issue, its confusing me

Alright, I've been out with this beautiful girl 4 times in like a week and a half, saturday, wednesday, saturday and sunday. 2 dates i asked and 2 dates she asked for tennis.
She seems like the type that just needs company but she has quite a few suitors, tho she tells me she has only met them once. Our conversations usually consist of being mean to each other, sarcastic or challenging each other, but we do know a fair bit of personal stuff like family, friends etc
She initiates text and texts me quite frequently, even asked me for a massage once and massaged me for a bit saying she sucked at it. Always teases me, but tells me she does it cause im mean to her.
So i was wondering if she likes me and how should i go about dealing with it

My plan is maybe continue not texting her often, let her initiate texts, continue being challenging, however ive already gotten her a small gift on the 3rd meet up
 

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Ah....you see to be just another in long line of AFC's she can have spend money on her and do things with that will never get in her pants.

A gift on the 3rd date? Are you serious? Have you kissed her yet? Gotten her naked yet? Banged her?

If the answer is no, you might as well give up now, you've been friendzoned, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to go out again and go hard at her sexually, but you are likely gonna get turned down hard...

SMFH
 

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Escalate. You could have a chance but the only way you know is if you escalate physically/sexually.

From what you described the potential is definitely there and you have some level of physicality (girls usually don't let random guys massage them or massage random guys). Keep up what you are doing but turn it a bit more sexual and I think you have a pretty good shot. If you continue without turning it sexual, she's going to drop you..

Strike while the iron is hot and she seems hot right now.
 

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ArcBound said:
Escalate. You could have a chance but the only way you know is if you escalate physically/sexually.

From what you described the potential is definitely there and you have some level of physicality (girls usually don't let random guys massage them or massage random guys). Keep up what you are doing but turn it a bit more sexual and I think you have a pretty good shot. If you continue without turning it sexual, she's going to drop you..

mmmm i've been thinking about that and i have no idea how to start it.
its been pretty physical when she watches a scary movie she lets me grab her hand when shes trying to cover he eyes with her scarf. she also pokes my waist whenever she walks back from the toilet and im sitting facing away from her. she always gives the same excuse " i poked you cause i wanted to know if itll be ticklish "
But sexually i have no clue how to engage
 

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Bagofnuts said:
mmmm i've been thinking about that and i have no idea how to start it.
its been pretty physical when she watches a scary movie she lets me grab her hand when shes trying to cover he eyes with her scarf. she also pokes my waist whenever she walks back from the toilet and im sitting facing away from her. she always gives the same excuse " i poked you cause i wanted to know if itll be ticklish "
But sexually i have no clue how to engage
Dude you were massaging her, that is the dream scenario for escalation.

Pull her close to you while massaging her, rub up and down her arms, pull her hair away from her neck, smell her neck and then whisper in her ear how good she smells while brushing your lips against her ear, and then start kissing her on the neck....keep rubbing her up and down and wait for the breathing change to occur which signals she is starting to get turned on and then just go for it...
 

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by the way if she asks me to play tennis again on wednesday should i go or should i decline for once ?
 

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Bagofnuts said:
by the way if she asks me to play tennis again on wednesday should i go or should i decline for once ?
Go, no need to play the hot cold game when her interest is currently high.

As to the escalation question

Bagofnuts said:
mmmm i've been thinking about that and i have no idea how to start it.
its been pretty physical when she watches a scary movie she lets me grab her hand when shes trying to cover he eyes with her scarf. she also pokes my waist whenever she walks back from the toilet and im sitting facing away from her. she always gives the same excuse " i poked you cause i wanted to know if itll be ticklish "
But sexually i have no clue how to engage
If she pokes your waist when you are coming back from the toilet that's a playful invitation for you to touch her. You can poke her back, tickle her, or when she tries to poke you, you grab her hands and interlock your fingers and say "Not today" and I guarantee that will only make her want to touch you more. In which case you also can :D

It seems you got the normal touching down, do the same thing next time except go further and touch....the more private/sensitive areas. If you can touch her hands, arm, no problem, go lower and start touching her thighs and see her response. Or if you are massaging her back while she's sitting down, stop, turn her around, stare at her eyes and lips and kiss her.

Those are two routes, but feel free to do whatever. But either a kiss, or touching her on her thighs (or inner..) is a blazing red sign of sexual escalation.

Edit: talking sexually also works and some people are big fans of that. I prefer the touch.
 

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Alright guys,some updates, we kinda got closer, she lied on me in the cinema, adjusted my arms for herself put her feet under my thigh cause they were cold. She was hesitant at first but slowly got more and more comfortable with lying on me , my hand was on her thighs. Never did anything else tho
Shes still hung up on the idea of me making her carry her own milk cartons
So i met her yesterday and she was 45 mins late, blaming it on the bad night she had, good thing was she offered to treat me to lunch, offered to cut my huge ass burger , watched a scary movie they i wanted to watch( movie was preplanned), she doesnt like horror
Now she wants me to bring her clubbing either just us two or me calling my clubbing friends, she knows they are mainly girls. And is always using this line " why dont u find your other 100+ girls to. Go out with you etc"
She doesnt show any signs of liking me when she texts or speaks tho mainly just us annoying each other and fighting and teasing. Ive told her i liked her on text, i know bad move, but she seemed cool about it, said it wouldn't be awkward cus we ain't kids anymore, she also does things like tryna push me down stairs and ****
So thing is idk if its goinng anywhere and what i should do. She also talked about planning movies tgt . She put in more effort in the way she dressed because i complained and put on whatever color lipstick i liked surprisingly. But she seems like shes trying to play hard to get or is confused about her feelings

Maybe get her flowers on the next date ?
 
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Dude,there's a VERY good chance you're friendzoned like "Marmel75" said 6 DAYS AGO.

Look at this....


Bagofnuts said:
Alright guys,some updates, we kinda got closer, she lied on me in the cinema, adjusted my arms for herself put her feet under my thigh cause they were cold. She was hesitant at first but slowly got more and more comfortable with lying on me , my hand was on her thighs. Never did anything else tho

You said she laid on you at the cinema,that she adjusted your arms for herself,and put her feet under your thigh. Then you said you had your hand on her thigh,but never did anything else....

Da FVCK????? I've heard of taking it slow when escalating,but DAMN.....you talk about having your hand on her thigh as if it was some sort of progress,as if her adjusting your arms means something.

You've had 4 DATES as of a week ago,one date yesterday,and you mean to tell us that all you've managed to do PHYSICALLY was place your hand on her thigh? After FIVE dates? Most guys will have done gone for the lay on the 2nd or 3rd......you're just now touching her thigh after 5.


I rarely say this,but you just need to hit the "NEXT" button.

Are you new to dating? If you haven't made any sort of move after 5 dates,yet you two are still hanging out together,she's gonna HAVE TO friendzone you. What choice does she have? She can't reject you cause you won't make a move,but she can't move forward with anything sexual cause you won't make a move either. Ok,uhh....well? There's no other choice but to friendzone you.


You haven't said or done anything sexual,so she doesn't have any other option but friends. My guess is she was probably looking to you to do something at least in the first 3 dates,but now you set a predictable,COMFORTABLE pattern of "hanging out" LIKE FRIENDS.

She'd probably become uncomfortable now if you did make a move cause it'd seem so out of the blue FOR YOU.


Shes still hung up on the idea of me making her carry her own milk cartons
Well hey......she might as well get some kind of value out of you being around. You being a sexual interest in now off the table,so she might as well put you to work.


She doesnt show any signs of liking me when she texts or speaks tho mainly just us annoying each other and fighting and teasing.
Wow. You two seem more like pre-teen brother and sister than a MAN and a WOMAN who are sexually interested to each other.


Ive told her i liked her on text, i know bad move,
You got that right. Don't think it really matters at this point though....you can't kill something that never had any life to being with.

If nothing had been established after 5 dates,your "I like you" text didn't matter......there wasn't anything there for the text to damage anyway.



but she seemed cool about it, said it wouldn't be awkward cus we ain't kids anymore, she also does things like tryna push me down stairs and ****
You told her you liked her,and her response was to tell you that things wouldn't become awkward between you two.

Well,that was the final nail in the coffin right there. When you told her you liked her,she DIDN'T SAY IT BACK....just told you thing wouldn't be awkward with you two.

That's prime,grade "A" friendzone,my friend. 100% lean,with all the fat trimmed.

Funny....you mention how she said that you two weren't kids anymore,then in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you talk about how she likes to try to push you down the stairs.


But she seems like shes trying to play hard to get or is confused about her feelings
She probably was at one point. She went on the FIRST DATE looking for SEXUAL ATTRACTION/CHEMISTRY. There must have been something there,otherwise there wouldn't have been a second date.

Well the second date,came...you did NOTHING.
3RD date......YOU DID NOTHING.
4th date.....YET NOTHING AGAIN.

Well by now,she's probably used to the NON-SEXUAL "YOU". You say she might be confused about her feelings? Yeah,cause you asked her out for a date,which is sexual.....but you behaved like A FRIEND on those dates. What was she supposed to do,get sexual with you while you continued to BEHAVE FRIENDLY? She ain't gonna risk rejection.


You can do whatever you want here,it likely won't matter with this chick,but YOU NEED TO LEARN how to escalate so you can avoid this fiasco in the future with other girls.
 

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Buddy you're in the friend zone. Don't be in denial like I was. But trust me. You're there
 
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