Women with Children(It's getting worse fellas)

[Lexington]

I do think that, actually. Doesnt' make it so, but I do think that

As I was saying before, even though I expected the number of childless women to disappear at a certain age, I still managed to find them (though I haven't been looking in recent years).

I was curious about this so I Googled it. Apparently the number of women who never reproduce is about 20%. A little higher than I would have thought. I've known some women who don't have kids because of "plumbing issues".
Another article I found from the UK said that one of of three women who are university graduates don't have children. They put off motherhood, and it just never happens.

You have to wonder about those career women that put off motherhood. Isn't it one of the most feminine things in the world to want to have children? Most of those workaholic women who don't want kids have issues in my experience.

 

[squirrels]

You have to wonder about those career women that put off motherhood. Isn't it one of the most feminine things in the world to want to have children? Most of those workaholic women who don't want kids have issues in my experience.

What's more tragic, a woman who doesn't have kids, or a woman who has kids and doesn't have the time or money to support them??

Only stupid people breed without regard for the means to support the children.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Not to hijack the thread, but the last girl I dated was approaching 40 without kids. She was very focused on career. Pediatrician. Go figure, without children. She did have plumbing issues, however we did see a fertility specialist (yeah at the time I wanted to have children). She's had 2 surguries to remove ovarian tumors. The likelyhood of her having kids now is about 0%. All because she focused entirely on career, and not having marriage, family, earlier. She can say that she just didn't find the right guy, but my $ is that she put career first, and that's why. I was shamed for leaving her by her family, however it wasn't my choice that she delayed marriage/family till darn near 40 years old. Good woman, bad decisions. In my estimation the whole feminist movement has sold most women a false bill of goods. They try so hard to compete with men in the job field that they give up on femininity and being good center of family/motherhood. Mass media and culture spews this lie 24/7.
KC

 

[zekko]

What's more tragic, a woman who doesn't have kids, or a woman who has kids and doesn't have the time or money to support them??

Only stupid people breed without regard for the means to support the children.

True. Chalk another one up for the current culture.
Prime childbearing years health wise for a woman is probably in her teens.
Women today have to worry about supporting themselves though.
By the time they can put together a successful career, their prime childbearing years are behind them.

I also think there's a little bit of hypocrisy in this whole discussion. Guys here want girls to drop their pants for them at the drop of a hat, otherwise they are considered low quality or not worth the effort. Yet if there are consequences of this free exchange of sex (children), then the girls are ostracized for making bad decisions.

 

[synergy1]

I am hitting on ( read contemplating) trying to get w/ a chick who has a kid; shes 6 years younger than me. I don't want anything more than play, so I am feeling the situation out to see if shes in the same boat. Unfortunately, she is mutual friends with a few other people in my social circle, so foul play could = drama which I don't want. Likely nothing will happen here, but it would be good to tag her. Shes pretty hot and has a sassy attitude that I like to rip on all the time.

To be clear, its an opportunity that fell on my lap ( hopefully literally), but I have no intentions of pursuing for long term.

 

[KarmaSutra]

My ex-wife and I went through all of that fertility stuff too.

What we believed to be the issue (low sperm count) could not have been further from the truth.

I'm a fertile motherfvcker. When Dr. Mammal came back with my seed results he remarked how I can walk by a woman and not have her preggo.

Where most guys are in the 20 million range; I'm above 250 million.

He was quite impressed with my virility.

I gotta be real fvcking careful when I blow a load, sneeze, and cough.

 

[Lexington]

What's more tragic, a woman who doesn't have kids, or a woman who has kids and doesn't have the time or money to support them??

Only stupid people breed without regard for the means to support the children.

Oh I wasn't trying to say that women with kids are better. You're right, it is very reckless on a woman's part to simply a bring a child into the world without thinking things through.

But, women who put career first are often just dudes w/ female plumbing. Contrary to what the feminist movement likes to tell us, there are differences between men and women. Women who eschew femininity are not relationship material.

Not to hijack the thread, but the last girl I dated was approaching 40 without kids. She was very focused on career. Pediatrician. Go figure, without children. She did have plumbing issues, however we did see a fertility specialist (yeah at the time I wanted to have children). She's had 2 surguries to remove ovarian tumors. The likelyhood of her having kids now is about 0%. All because she focused entirely on career, and not having marriage, family, earlier. She can say that she just didn't find the right guy, but my $ is that she put career first, and that's why. I was shamed for leaving her by her family, however it wasn't my choice that she delayed marriage/family till darn near 40 years old. Good woman, bad decisions. In my estimation the whole feminist movement has sold most women a false bill of goods. They try so hard to compete with men in the job field that they give up on femininity and being good center of family/motherhood. Mass media and culture spews this lie 24/7.
KC

I agree 100% I'm a med student and believe me, a lot of female doctors are undatable for normal heterosexual males. A lot of women who go into fields like psych, family practice and pediatrics are alright, but the ones that go into surgery....watch out! Most guys wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole even if they are okay looking.

The fact of the matter is, there are some things that are more masculine than feminine. Women who enter into these masculine pursuits have to develop masculine traits. In fact, because they are in male dominated fields, many of them try to overcompensate.

The sad thing is, a lot of these women who have achieved career success and put off families are not happy. That being said, there are some who are happy with the choices they've made. But I wouldn't want to date them.

 

[Lexington]

I also think there's a little bit of hypocrisy in this whole discussion. Guys here want girls to drop their pants for them at the drop of a hat, otherwise they are considered low quality or not worth the effort. Yet if there are consequences of this free exchange of sex (children), then the girls are ostracized for making bad decisions.

I think most girls these days know about contraception. It's a choice they make.

I just recently came off my OB/Gyn rotation and we dealt with a lot of single moms. They all knew their birth control options, they simply chose not to make use of them.

This was in a poor inner city area, so it was particularly depressing. Many of these girls were 20 and they were already up to their 3rd or 4th pregnancy. It was exceedingly rare to have the father present to cut the cord for the delivery. Very often, the kids were from different dads. In fact, it wasn't unusual for the girls to not know who the father was. These poor kids are brought into the world already in a deep hole.

I'm not trying to say that all single moms are irresponsible, but most of the ones I've come across are. There are plenty of girls that slut it up big time and they've never pushed out a kid. It's not that hard to get a depo shot, take pills or use condoms. A lot of this stuff is available for free or at very low cost.

 

[backbreaker]

BB most AA places will tell a alcoholic not to date for at least a year or more and your telling us this sponsor was trying to hook you up with another AA member? Good God almighty how freakin' stupid is that? I am surprised most in that AA meeting didn't continue drinking after leaving that place or become worst.

Now I do believe if you don't have kids don't be a chump and fall head over heels over a woman who does just because she looks hot and if she has a kid run for the hills the kid will wreck the romance and sexual tension if you were lucky to have any in the first place. I speak this to would be chumps who have the save the ***** mindset and for anyone who has that desire and has no kids themselves save yourself the headaches period.

Go after women with no kids if you don't have kids and if you do have kids then find a woman who has kids and be a Brady Bunch or just spend plates and live in reality not in fantasy.

Powerlifter

dude i've been clean for over half a decade lol. this was just 2 years ago so I had 4 years at the time. she had 2. not to try to shame you or anything but come on man.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

So...let's take this situation to the next level-----let's raise the stakes of this scenario. Let's step into an episode of the Twilight Zone "So Suave-style" for a second.

"What if", as a single man, women WITH children were your ONLY choice?


What's best:

1. A woman who has lots of sex, gets pregnant, and HAS lots of babies?

Or...

2. A woman who has lots of sex, gets pregnant, and has lots of ABORTIONS?


And no matter which option you'd choose, I'd be interested in hearing the HONEST reason(s) "why" you'd make that choice.

 

[Betamax]

On the flip side, I have spent a very happy twelve years with a single mother and her young child. Perhaps I got extremely lucky and found one of the rare decent ones. Even now she is still very grateful, which she tells me every day and treats me like a king. She a hard working French lady, who even started her own business up in the last five years, using her own money. She always cooks, cleans and knows how to enjoy herself in the bedroom.

I have to admit, I was very cautious at first entering in to a relationship with this women for a couple of years, but everything how turned out fine. Even child has gown to be just another one of my kids.

What I am trying to say is, while I guess most single mothers out there are to be avoid like the plague, there are few real good ones too, and had I read the various comments on here, perhaps I might of missed 12 wonderful and fruitful years of my life.

Not all second hand cars are bad, and some are really good reliable runners with still lots of good miles left in them....

 

[squirrels]

"What if", as a single man, women WITH children were your ONLY choice?

I'd be jerking off a lot.

Wait...I already am.

What's best:

1. A woman who has lots of sex, gets pregnant, and HAS lots of babies?

Or...

2. A woman who has lots of sex, gets pregnant, and has lots of ABORTIONS?


And no matter which option you'd choose, I'd be interested in hearing the HONEST reason(s) "why" you'd make that choice.

This isn't a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate. What about 3. a woman who isn't too stupid to use or at least insist on proper contraception??

 

[Victory Unlimited]

I'd be jerking off a lot.

Wait...I already am.

LOL...

This isn't a pro-life vs. pro-choice debate.

Yo SQUIRRELS,

Nope. It isn't. And that's not my reason for posing the question. I'm hoping to see if we can shed some more light on something else entirely.

What about 3. a woman who isn't too stupid to use or at least insist on proper contraception??

In this particular Twilight Zone episode of "So Suave" question-and-answer, there IS no option 3.

Anybody care to pick either one of the two actual options available?

 

[Powerlifter]

BB just giving facts most alcoholics don't need to be involved with women or relationships as to much sh*t and emotions get involved and relapse is more likely. For many are just way to weak yet and should wait for at least a year or two. I will say this though I made the mistake it wasn't AA which is a communitiy organization and not a professional clinic but any professional clinic where you payout of pocket thousands of bucks for treatment will tell you no sexual relationships or anything with the opposite sex for at least a year or two. The individual needs to show he or she is clean or strong enough to handle the emotion of a relationship especially sexual and this is no joke.

Just saying BB.... Nothing against you man!

Powerlifter

dude i've been clean for over half a decade lol. this was just 2 years ago so I had 4 years at the time. she had 2. not to try to shame you or anything but come on man.

 

[backbreaker]

BB just giving facts most alcoholics don't need to be involved with women or relationships as to much sh*t and emotions get involved and relapse is more likely. For many are just way to weak yet and should wait for at least a year or two. I will say this though I made the mistake it wasn't AA which is a communitiy organization and not a professional clinic but any professional clinic where you payout of pocket thousands of bucks for treatment will tell you no sexual relationships or anything with the opposite sex for at least a year or two. The individual needs to show he or she is clean or strong enough to handle the emotion of a relationship especially sexual and this is no joke.

Just saying BB.... Nothing against you man!

Powerlifter

weren't you the guy who thought you had a problem and was asking about AA? I hope you found it helpful if that is the case.

one thing I have learned is that no two cases are different and no one abuses drugs for the exact same reasons. Myself, while I am quiet by nature, lI am pretty social. I like to go out and do things on a regular basis. The more I worked, the more I didn't have a life, the more I abused drugs to escape. For me, lol, talking to girls was EXACTLY what I needed to do to get off drugs. I had gotten to the point in life and had gained so much weight (i was 240 at one point") that I knew the only way I could get laid is to get some coke ***** over my house so I associated women with drugs. In short, I used drugs for the exact same reason that most of you jack off lol. NOw, when you put it in that content, you see how silly it is to tell someone to quite masturbating, you need to not talk to women for a year. I had to go out and start talking and dealing with regular women again. My recovery would not have started until I did that, regardless of how much clean time I had.

another thing I have learned, clean time is the most useless stat ever lol. if you got 11 years by not facing the deamons that got you addicted in the first place, it's not a real high quality of life. I know people who got 10 plus years and can't go into a restaurant that serves alcohol. that's pathetic. that girl I was talking about, we could go; to chili's or whenever and the thought would never cross her mind. she only had 2 years but she was alot "cleaner" than people with 5x her soberity.

No matter how much clean time I had, i wasn't goiing too get better until I 1. understood how important balance was in my life, 2. came to accept mjy parents for who they were, grandparnets as well and forgave them for the **** they did and 3. started to resume to have a normal person's social life, again. I got so depressed at the end of my business I drank and ate myself up to the point where I was just unattractive so, it was a vicious cycle in itself. I had to get back in shape, get looking good,k and learn how ideal with women again and people in general again.

when i got out of importance,t even though I had a townhouse, i went to live in a chem free house, because I know how I think I know I would never even consider using as long as I was around normal people trying to be clean. That allowed me the liberty to work on me. Hell 4-5 months clean I was going on 4-5 dates a week lol and got laid constantly, but that's what I needed.

had i waited until I had a year and thought I was "cured" or "pass that", i would have moved back home, tried to talk to someone and the first sign of rejection, that thought would have creeped right back in mjy head.. no one's around, gone and call up so and so and get laid. you aren't gonig ot use, just get some head lol.

 

[Falcon25]

If you are a man who has no kids of his own, to date a single mom means you are a desperate, weak, and a misguided man.

Why on god's green earth would you want to raise another man's child? Are you out of your fuvking mind? If you are a single man with no kids, YOU SHOULD NEVER be in a relationship with a woman who has a child from someone else.

 

[Robert28]

the one thing i've learned the hard way about women with kids is that every single d@mn one of them is A) always complaining about how hard their life is and B) they always have their hand out to you, or anyone that will "help them". maybe not directly, some are more descrete about it but trust me, they're ALL looking for all the "freebies" they can get and not return any of the favors.

i got burned by a single mom who's baby daddy passed away when the kid was just 3 weeks old. unique situation to say the least. well i figured since baby daddy wasn't around this shouldn't be too much of a problem. i was wrong! you see, everything started out great, fine and dandy. then she started asking for money. not directly at first, but in sort of guilt you into it and make you feel sorry for her type of ways. "Boo hoo life is so hard, i have to raise my baby all by myself since my ex died. boo hoo, my job sucks and i'm not making enough money. boo hoo, blah blah blah." now i may sound like a cold hearted b@st@rd by not caring about her babies father passing away, and you're right i don't. i mean sure its sad, but why would i care?

anyways things were going fine. then i didnt hear from her until she needed money or something. then i stopped hearing from her all together. i was told she was having a hard time and going through alot thinking about her ex. why 6 months down the road?????? why was she so happy and availible and chipper when i met her 2 months after he died????? it's like her grieving process was backwards. i made a promise to myself after losing about $3k on this girl and all the "help" and "good deeds" i did that i will NEVER help another single mom at all for the rest of my days. why? because they will never apreciate it, it will never be enough no matter what you do, and even when the babies daddy is dead, you're STILL behind him.

honestly i hope karma bites her square in the @$$ for what she did to me and how she used me. true i let her, but i felt like i was doing the right thing at the time. live and learn my friends, live and learn.

 

[Robert28]

the one thing i've learned the hard way about women with kids is that every single d@mn one of them is A) always complaining about how hard their life is and B) they always have their hand out to you, or anyone that will "help them". maybe not directly, some are more descrete about it but trust me, they're ALL looking for all the "freebies" they can get and not return any of the favors.

i got burned by a single mom who's baby daddy passed away when the kid was just 3 weeks old. unique situation to say the least. well i figured since baby daddy wasn't around this shouldn't be too much of a problem. i was wrong! you see, everything started out great, fine and dandy. then she started asking for money. not directly at first, but in sort of guilt you into it and make you feel sorry for her type of ways. "Boo hoo life is so hard, i have to raise my baby all by myself since my ex died. boo hoo, my job sucks and i'm not making enough money. boo hoo, blah blah blah." now i may sound like a cold hearted b@st@rd by not caring about her babies father passing away, and you're right i don't. i mean sure its sad, but why would i care?

anyways things were going fine. then i didnt hear from her until she needed money or something. then i stopped hearing from her all together. i was told she was having a hard time and going through alot thinking about her ex. why 6 months down the road?????? why was she so happy and availible and chipper when i met her 2 months after he died????? it's like her grieving process was backwards. i made a promise to myself after losing about $3k on this girl and all the "help" and "good deeds" i did that i will NEVER help another single mom at all for the rest of my days. why? because they will never apreciate it, it will never be enough no matter what you do, and even when the babies daddy is dead, you're STILL behind him.

honestly i hope karma bites her square in the @$$ for what she did to me and how she used me. true i let her, but i felt like i was doing the right thing at the time. live and learn my friends, live and learn.

 

[Robert28]

the one thing i've learned the hard way about women with kids is that every single d@mn one of them is A) always complaining about how hard their life is and B) they always have their hand out to you, or anyone that will "help them". maybe not directly, some are more descrete about it but trust me, they're ALL looking for all the "freebies" they can get and not return any of the favors.

i got burned by a single mom who's baby daddy passed away when the kid was just 3 weeks old. unique situation to say the least. well i figured since baby daddy wasn't around this shouldn't be too much of a problem. i was wrong! you see, everything started out great, fine and dandy. then she started asking for money. not directly at first, but in sort of guilt you into it and make you feel sorry for her type of ways. "Boo hoo life is so hard, i have to raise my baby all by myself since my ex died. boo hoo, my job sucks and i'm not making enough money. boo hoo, blah blah blah." now i may sound like a cold hearted b@st@rd by not caring about her babies father passing away, and you're right i don't. i mean sure its sad, but why would i care?

anyways things were going fine. then i didnt hear from her until she needed money or something. then i stopped hearing from her all together. i was told she was having a hard time and going through alot thinking about her ex. why 6 months down the road?????? why was she so happy and availible and chipper when i met her 2 months after he died????? it's like her grieving process was backwards. i made a promise to myself after losing about $3k on this girl and all the "help" and "good deeds" i did that i will NEVER help another single mom at all for the rest of my days. why? because they will never apreciate it, it will never be enough no matter what you do, and even when the babies daddy is dead, you're STILL behind him.

honestly i hope karma bites her square in the @$$ for what she did to me and how she used me. true i let her, but i felt like i was doing the right thing at the time. live and learn my friends, live and learn.

 

[Tiguere]

My brother is 5 years older than me and married a single mommy in 2006. He was my age when he married her. He now has a 3 year old boy of his own with her.

Everytime he comes home he bust my balls for refusing to grow up( meaning settling down)

I don't have the heart to tell him like it is. That I lost. My respect for him when he decided to avoid going out there to get what he is worth.and eventhough I love him for the brother that he is I simply can't take his advice.