Women today: Rant!

[DJDamage]

Today I was sitting on a university campus outside and observing the many young chicks passing around (they were in their late teens, early 20's) and it downed on me how girls in the looks department ( were talking 8 and up) behave. Many of them had similar traits which I found appalling:

- Most of them cannot walk around by themsleves without an outside stimuli ( either have an Ipod plugged in their ears or chatting on the cell phone).

- Those that walked in groups with guys and girls tended to be in the centre of attention and they couldn't stop yapping, while the other guys just prance around them like dogs waiting for a bone to be thrown their way. It just amazing to see guy's change their behaviour to accomodate those princesses so she will grace them with attention.

- They talk about the stupitest things, maybe I am getting old but I find most of them to be shallow (and by shallow I don't mean their selection of men but rather their beahviour which tends to be superficial, naive, materialistic, petty,unimaginative) and annoying. Other then a good body and a pretty face they have nothing worth going for them. I feel getting dumber just by talking to one of them.

- I did not see one of them walking around by themsleves with a pleasent face. They all had cold miffed look on their face as if they are annoyed at something. It seems that alot of them are depressed, they have empty lives and in order to escape it they need to be surronded with attention and parties.

Rant's over! maybe I am the only one that thinks like that but the quality of women seems to be getting worse and worse.

 

[RedPill]

Today I was sitting on a university campus outside and observing the many young chicks passing around (they were in their late teens, early 20's)...

These are adolescents. The undergraduate university experience for most equates to 12th through 16th grade, with little maturity needed to get through it. Since you're observing a sample of adolescents, it's not surprising then that you're witnessing adolescent behavior. Naturally, the young hot ones will tend to have a princess complex as they attract an orbit of equally naive supplicant chumps. Some will grow out of it, some won't have to.

A woman who's hot and has a winning personality is as rare as a man who's both masculine and has a compelling reality. You're looking at the majority and expecting the exception.

 

[ducaro]

i agree with both the above posts..

but at the same time i feel as less and less women are growing out of it and turning mature after their college years.. today you have 30 year old pusssies enacting 18 year olds! its the era of fashion, freedom and greed.
god help us

 

[joekerr31]

the women you are describing never grow out of it if you ask me.

when they get older they tend to become snotty b8tches in the work place as well.

they typically marry some guy with money and drive around in their BMW like they are the sh*t.

the only difference however is the peopel around them. when you get in to your 30s there are less morons will to follow them around like lost puppy dogs.

as a result they end up with a very small click that keeps to itself while everyone blantantly acknowledge what b*tches they are.

as for the hb8 and up. to be honest, an hb8+ is fine to screw, but for something like an LTR i've always advocated an hb8 or 7 - they are much more low maintenance and the returns you get are the same or better (ie. more sex, less drama, more honesty and committment, etc.)

it is EXTREMELY rare to find an hb 9 / 10 who isn't full of herself - and thats at any age.

 

[azanon]

I'm totally with you DJDamage. The most a shallow or dumb woman could ever hope for from me is just a f*** and then I'll send her on her way. I'll take a 7 or 8 that is pure quality and substance over a dumb/shallow 9/10 (for a LTR) any day of the week.

 

[WestCoaster]

Hmm, I'll change this dynamic a little bit. Yes, the cell phone/I-pod/constant talk thing is annoying. I see a ton of guys also on their cell phones/I-pods.

I work at a university and I observe human behavior every day, and I meet with students every day. I work at a commuter/city university, which has students from 18 to 50 on up. It's not unusual for me to meet with as many 30 somethings as it is 20 somethings in a day. I would disagree with much of what was written in the original post, based on my daily experiences.

My observations regarding college women 18-23:

1. Very enthusiastic, it doesn't take much to get them excited about something. A simple cell phone chat is fun. Yeah, it's shallow, but the truth. Not sure what school this guy is looking at, but where I'm at, the gals are always smiling and having fun. It's very refreshing. Of course it's sunny about 300 days a year here, which doesn't breed cynicism.

2. They're still finding themselves, but in most cases, they are more focused than men at this same stage. Men (at least at my school) are plodding along academically and career-wise. Most of the women seem to have their goals set earlier and go for them.

3. Here's the biggie and no one believes me: They actually like men and enjoy being with them all the time. We have a busy lobby outside my office where a lot of people study. The women with the men are always smiling, laughing, giving kino, etc. The men often aren't picking up on the signals. I saw a nerdy-looking hippie type yesterday chatting up a 9.5 about a class project and she was smiling and enjoying his company. In a few years that might not happen. College isn't like the rest of the world.

4. At around age 28 on up, the bitterness gene sets in with women. It usually revolves around a series of bad breakups/divorce/life isn't what they thought. This bubbly, enthusiastic persona? Sadly, it's often gone. Don't get me started on the late 30's/40's women. The ones returning to college (single or married) no longer like or enjoy men. They hate them. So if you think the air-headed 18-23's are bad, just wait a few years bucko.

5. I find this age group refreshing. Yeah, they're not rocket scientists, many aren't even very deep, but THEY'RE NOT BITTER! The world is ahead of them and they seem to be enjoying it. American society through Oprah, The View, women's magazines, their girlfriends, etc., will tell them to start hating men in due time, and they will. They may jump into bed with guys, but that doesn't mean they still don't hate men. More often than not, this will happen.

6. You want to complain about women? I'd start with the 40/20's: my term for 40-year olds who act 20. That's more pathetic. I find the 18-23's infinitely better than that age group when I was an undergrad many years ago. Back then women were very suspicious of men and were much more confined sexually and socially.

7. You need to observe at a different university.

8. The women hating here gets to be a bit too much.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

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- Most of them cannot walk around by themsleves without an outside stimuli ( either have an Ipod plugged in their ears or chatting on the cell phone).

Welcome to the "wired/wireless" generation, constantly needing to be entertained without having to entertain.

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- Those that walked in groups with guys and girls tended to be in the centre of attention and they couldn't stop yapping, while the other guys just prance around them like dogs waiting for a bone to be thrown their way. It just amazing to see guy's change their behaviour to accomodate those princesses so she will grace them with attention.

College has become in most instances the real-life MySpace. Social interractions is the main purpose of most students. Kinda pricey way to perform social promotion if you ask me.

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- They talk about the stupitest things, maybe I am getting old but I find most of them to be shallow (and by shallow I don't mean their selection of men but rather their beahviour which tends to be superficial, naive, materialistic, petty,unimaginative) and annoying. Other then a good body and a pretty face they have nothing worth going for them. I feel getting dumber just by talking to one of them.

What do you think they listen to on their iPod's and other media devices. All they are doing is regurgitating what they see/hear from the mainstream media which mostly caters to the lowest common intellectual denominator IMO.

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- I did not see one of them walking around by themselves with a pleasent face. They all had cold miffed look on their face as if they are annoyed at something. It seems that alot of them are depressed, they have empty lives and in order to escape it they need to be surrounded with attention and parties.

I question whether people know how to be genuinely happy in their own presence. This is probably why they travel or socialize primarily in packs/herds/colonies or whatever. Gotta love fraternities and sororities.

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Rant's over! maybe I am the only one that thinks like that but the quality of women seems to be getting worse and worse.

Welcome to the "Old Farts Club," here's your membership button.

 

[STR8UP]

I'm with West.

Yea, I know the kind of women you are talking about. My biggest peeve is the yapping on the cell phone. Any woman who uses her phone incessantly without a good reason (business) is bad news.

But I actually like the attitude of a lot of the younger ones. I have some pretty cool female friends who know a lot of younger women, so I get to meet quite a few of them and a few are very smart, witty, cultured, and mature for their age.

Of course, nothing makes up for wisdom that comes with age. But that's another aspect of dealing with younger ones that makes it fun. She hasen't "been there done that" and it's a lot more enjoyable for me to share a first time experience with a younger chick. Took my ex to Vegas, where I had been several times before, and to see her reaction to everything was priceless.

The other advantage to younger women is that it's a lot easier to mold them into a better woman, unlike the older ones who are set in their ways. Had a couple of younger g/f's that really seemed to look up to me and accept my guidance. Too bad I was still in la-la land and didn't have it all figured out as to which direction I needed to be leading them.

 

[WestCoaster]

The biggest shocker for me as I got older, got into my professions (plural, I've changed careers) and started dating so-called older/professional women was that the same sh-t that got played on me in my early 20's got played on me a decade and more later. It's more frustrating because I naively thought women would mature and get better as they got older. I could excuse that early 20's stuff to immaturity.

Boy was I wrong. American single and/or divorced women in their 30's and 40's just simply do not know how to handle their baggage and they take it out on others.

The goofball game-playing by women in their early 20's? Some of it is planned, a lot of it is stupid stuff they're not aware of. Frankly, that's better than the cleverly disguised games that have been played against me by so-called mature women. Plus, the younger women are a lot hotter. I'm probably not going to date young 20's now, but I'm very down on game playing divorcees. It's maddening.

Those who think the 18-23 year olds are spacey, vacuous, and self-absorbed? Yeah, that's partially right. It gets worse folks. At least the majority of the ones I see now actually enjoy men and their company. As they get older, they turn into man haters. Reminds me of an ex-gf, yeah, she liked to fool around, and she quickly did on me, and I heard she screws around a lot. But guess what? She still hates men and trashes them all the time. She's not a lesbo, she's a sl-t who sleeps around and still hates men. There are TONS out there in the 30's/40's set.

Trashing the 18-23 year old set? Man, just wait ... just wait till they get older.

 

[DJDamage]

Westcoaster it seems that you come from a different place then I do. Women's behaviour are affected by the area that they live in. I am from Toronto and I have been to the west coast and east coast and that bad behaviour in those places were the exception and not the norm.

 

[WestCoaster]

Must be a location thing. I went to Vancouver, B.C., this summer and was impressed with the beauty and friendliness of the women. Very diverse, all kinds of races, which I like. It was very warm out, all kinds of women wearing skimpy clothing, it was a feast for the eyes.

Toronto must be different.

I don't find women in the Northwest to be particularly friendly, but the college gals are waaaaaaayyyy better than the bitter single mommies who inhabit this region.

 

[jophil28]

Undergrads are supposed to be airheads in their social behavior. It goes with the age range .It is disturbing,however, when you encounter a 40year old still behaving like a college freshman.
The most noticable change in mature women's behavior im the past 30 years is in their rather grandoise expectations of what the world (and men ) owe them,and their hostility when it does not easily come their way.. They act like rude snotty brats in many cases.
Try this experiment.
The next time that you are driving in traffic and you slow down to allow a car to pull out of a side street or a driveway, pay particular attention to what the driver does after they pull out into the traffic flow. If the driver is a man, he will wave and acknowledge your consideration. If it is a woman she will look straight ahead without a glance in your direction. Why the difference ? Probably because she is a woman and women are ENTITLED to have the rest of the world make way for them .
THis is the "princess" mentality at work..

 

[STR8UP]

I'm in FL, maybe that has something to do with my experience.

I do see a lot of these Paris Hilton wannabes, but I generally stay away from that crowd. Maybe I'm lucky that I have some pretty cool friends who tend to attract other cool people so I get to meet some of the better ones.

Like the 21 yr old I met last year. She was 20 at the time. 14 years my junior. Friends describe her as having an "old soul". I hear that from a lot of younger girls I like. Anyway, she's smart, carries herself well, has great taste in music, friendly, the list goes on.

She's coming into town in a couple of weeks and I even offered to let her stay with me for a couple of days. I wouldn't do that for some bubble headed chatty patty who walks around with her nose in the air and a pissed off look on her face.

Some people will say "What the hell do you have in common with a chick that age", but it's really pretty simple. She acts OLDER than what she is, and I still feel like I'm in my 20's. As long as she's cool (and legal) I don't care how old she is.

It's like with some of the guys I run into often. they get a call on their cell phone and I can't even imagine why someone would want to socialize with them, whether they are basically stupid, or rude, or whatever.

And I don't have much experience with older women, but the limited exposure I have had confirms Westcoaster's observations.....THEY DON'T CHANGE. If anything, their bad qualities intensify.

Dated a chick last year who was 33. That's about as old as I have been with. She was more jealous of other women (particularly the younger ones, hehe) than 99% of the women I have been with in the past.

Then there's my friend who is 37ish. you would think she would have grown up by now, but she still has the AW tendencies I see in much younger women.

 

[WestCoaster]

The problem is the lack of maturity in the 30's and 40's women. I've been stunned at this.

To use a golf term, women 18-23 get a lot of mulligans for their immature behavior. Not always, but a lot of it is understandable. Women in their 30's and 40's shouldn't be screwing everything in sight, getting tats and strange piercings, wearing 20-something clothes, dropping F-bombs, talking like a teenager, etc. ... yet, I'm seeing this all the time.

If you're gonna get that crap, why not just date 20 somethings? At least they're hotter.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo WestCoaster,


The reason that the 30-somethings are acting as immature as some of the younger girls is because the 30's are the NEW 20's!

But in the WORST ways...

Haven't you heard????

 

[jophil28]

Older women never really grow up. They THINK that they do, but is is so pathetic seeing a 42 year old strutting around a club in a pair of hip hugger jeans two sizes too small. Why dio they do this? Because they have very simple minds - their thinking is primitive and crude (" Young chicks look HOT in tight jeans and they get the guys. If I wear those hipsters, I will get some male attention ")

That gentlemen, is a women's mind at work. How scary that a lot of them are mothers.

 

[WestCoaster]

Yo WestCoaster,


The reason that the 30-somethings are acting as immature as some of the younger girls is because the 30's are the NEW 20's!

But in the WORST ways...

Haven't you heard????

Ha, so true!

Sadly, today's 18-23's have horrific role models. I'm very unimpressed with today's so-called "mature" woman. I've said this before but what opened my eyes was when I went back to grad school in my late 30's and was surrounded by undergrads as well as grad students. I dated both younger and older women at the same time (to quote Rollo, I was spinning plates pretty well) and one day it hit me: the older women are often more immature than the young ones.

I was stunned. I just expected the youngsters to be too immature and the older ones to be mature. Nope. The younger ones were more fun, too. That experience totally changed my beliefs in buying into the old stereotypes.

 

[Phyzzle]

Yo Westcoaster, glad to see you back. I was wondering what kind of "games" older women have been giving you recently. (Partly for the schaudenfreude, but partly for instruction.)

I have to say, my experience is different from a lot of other guys here, in that women don't really game play me or test me, unless she's already decided to break it off.

 

[STR8UP]

I won't fault an older chick for keeping up with the times. I do the same thing. I wear clothes that wouldn't be out of place on a guy in his 20's. Hell, some of the people i hang out with are in their 20's, even some of the guys.

I'm assuming you're talking about women who obviously go overboard to the point of it looking tacky. It's not right for ANYONE to dress like they are younger if they don't have the look and the attitude to match.

Chick from my last comment even bought me some American Eagle stuff awhile back. A 20 yr old buying a 35 yr old clothes that are normally worn by college kids. I doubt if she would have done that had I not been able to pull it off easily. Some older women can do the same. Some, not all, but some.

So as long as the woman doesn't come off like she's trying way too hard, I don't have a problem with her staying fashionable.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Actually DJDamage you have described the reality of things!! Welcome, to the real world!! Ohhhhhh the irony, the hottest women being the coldest!!