Women & Stock Behaviour

[crumpiteer]

LOL, you are correct, a PUT would be dangerous since you will be CALLed later... unless the decides to Let It Ride even though she may be In The Money...

then, you're the winner~!

 

[Stackthestyles]

do you mean real stock trader?

i think a good way is to take a dealer/remisier course, sit for the exams & then obtain a dealer/remisier licence. with this you can join the stock brokerage as a broker. from there you can experience the roller-coaster ride of the markets without risking your money. from there, once you made some money you can start small & start trading a bit by yourself, & grow from there...

I was thinking like a stock trader bootcamp. We begin to view women as stock, and judge them according to their monetary value.

Dates are commission, closes are gains, flakes are losses, just friends are holds, etc...

 

[crumpiteer]

I was thinking like a stock trader bootcamp. We begin to view women as stock, and judge them according to their monetary value.

Dates are commission, closes are gains, flakes are losses, just friends are holds, etc...

that's a cool idea!!

for a start, one idea worth exploring goes like this:

Prediction Markets Basics
for example, you define an outcome to get laid by HB"X" for which you would like a reliable estimate. Then you invite fellow Don Juans with relevant knowledge to trade "virtual" stock based on their confidence in this outcome.

The result is a trading price that tracks the consensus opinion (in contrast with the average opinion that a poll would yield).

for example, the stock quote is

DJ "ABC": I Will Get Laid by HB"X" within 2 months.

Each DJ ABC contract will be worth X$100 if he gets laid by HB"X" before Midnight 7/Aug/06. Otherwise, it will be worth nothing.

While the outcome is uncertain, the trading price is decided by the participants themselves and the dynamics of supply and demand. Right now, the DJ ABC contracts are trading at x$61 (virtual money).

Because the price is constrained between 0-100, it can be read as a probability estimation.

Thus, according to the current market price, the traders' consensus is that there is a 61% probability that DJ ABC will get laid by HB"X" within the next 2 months.

 

[Stackthestyles]

What about insider trading though?

 

[crumpiteer]

What about insider trading though?

i think even if there are so-called insiders, the final outcome is still quite beyond them. nothing is certain until the outcome is established. Say, if DJ ABC gets laid on 8/Aug/06, it's still considered a NON-EVENT, coz he didn't get laid before 7/Aug/06 midnight.

anyway, just a wild idea here we are discussing...

 

[crumpiteer]

Professional investment may be likened to those newspaper competitions in which the competitors have to pick out the six prettiest faces from a hundred photographs, the prize being awarded to the competitor whose choice most nearly corresponds to the average preferences of the competitors as a whole, so that each competitor has to pick, not those faces that the competitor finds prettiest, but those which he thinks likeliest to catch the fancy of the other competitors, all of whom are looking at the problem from the same point of view. It is not a case of choosing those which, to the best of one's judgment, are really the prettiest, nor even those which average opinion genuinely thinks the prettiest. We have reached the third degree where we devote our intelligences to anticipating what average opinion expects average opinion to be.

— John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money

 

[n00bPimp]

I get you.
Another similarity is great companies with low p/e ratios and attractive women with low self-esteem. Find an attractive company with a ridiculously low p/e before anyone else and its like striking gold!

 

[Stackthestyles]

p/e ratios?

GO DEEP into that one. I am hungry to hear about it.

 

[crumpiteer]

p/e ratio = price to earnings ratio

Definition

The most common measure of how expensive a stock is. The P/E ratio is equal to a stock's market capitalization divided by its after-tax earnings over a 12-month period, usually the trailing period but occasionally the current or forward period. The value is the same whether the calculation is done for the whole company or on a per-share basis. The higher the P/E ratio, the more the market is willing to pay for each dollar of annual earnings. The last year's price/earnings ratio (P/E ratio) would be actual, while current year and forward year price/earnings ratio (P/E ratio) would be estimates, but in each case, the "P" in the equation is the current price. Companies that are not currently profitable (that is, ones which have negative earnings) don't have a P/E ratio at all. also called earnings multiple or (P/E ratio).

noob is inferring from this that companies with high p/e is somewhat like an attractive woman with a low self-esteem...

 

[Stackthestyles]

LOL only good for short term relationships.

When a womans p/e ratio begins to rise... which value will begin to drop?

I know in the "real world" when a womans self esteem raises her opinion of you becomes stronger and YOUR true value drops inversely.

 

[crumpiteer]

LOL only good for short term relationships.

When a womans p/e ratio begins to rise... which value will begin to drop?

I know in the "real world" when a womans self esteem raises her opinion of you becomes stronger and YOUR true value drops inversely.

it's ok that she raises her self-esteem to a point where her market price equals her 'intrinsic value'

Intrinsic Value: The actual value of a security, as opposed to its market price or book value. The intrinsic value includes other variables such as brand name, trademarks, and copyrights that are often dificult to calculate and sometimes not accurately reflected in the market price. One way to look at it is that the market capitalization is the price (i.e. what investors are willing to pay for the company) and intrinsic value is the value (i.e. what the company is really worth). Different investors use different techniques to calculate intrinsic value.

Intrinsic Value: The value of someone or something in and for itself, irrespective of its utility for people.

your challenge is to ensure that her self esteem never exceed her intrinsic value.

 

[Vulpine]

Funny thread.

The new number close:

V: "I would like to analyze your prospectus a bit further before I invest, what is your number?"

 

[Stackthestyles]

it's ok that she raises her self-esteem to a point where her market price equals her 'intrinsic value'

your challenge is to ensure that her self esteem never exceed her intrinsic value.

What I was worried about is when her self-esteem reaches a certain point that she recognizes your low intrinsic value. When she realizes the market price you have set for yourself was too high.

I don't even know what that is... when an investor finds a high stock price, for a company that is going to crash in a week, has filed bankruptcy, and lost all of it's partners. You are that company, but you are selling for such a high price, and giving false information. Fraud?

 

[crumpiteer]

What I was worried about is when her self-esteem reaches a certain point that she recognizes your low intrinsic value. When she realizes the market price you have set for yourself was too high.

I don't even know what that is... when an investor finds a high stock price, for a company that is going to crash in a week, has filed bankruptcy, and lost all of it's partners. You are that company, but you are selling for such a high price, and giving false information. Fraud?

i see your point, that you'd rather take profit & run with a new investment

 

[Sapiens]

The new number close:

V: "I would like to analyze your prospectus a bit further before I invest, what is your number?"

LOL :crackup: You know, we REALLY have too much on our hands... ROFL!

Excellent thread Crump! For some reason I can see clearly what you mean. (Yikes)

-Sapiens

 

[Stackthestyles]

lol well not really, I thought that was assumed

I was thinking about the p/e ratio. When you find a stock with low earnings and high value, than the earnings increase... You don't necessarily get all of the benefits... when this comes into play, the relative value to your own p/e drops. When the relation drops to a certain point, the stock dumps YOU?

 

[Sapiens]

I don't even know what that is... when an investor finds a high stock price, for a company that is going to crash in a week, has filed bankruptcy, and lost all of it's partners. You are that company, but you are selling for such a high price, and giving false information. Fraud?

You can hedge your Forward Looking statements with certain Safe Harbor Provisions. LOL

-Sapiens

 

[Stackthestyles]

Too deep there Sapiens....

I don't understand either of the concpets. Forward looking statements and safe harbour provisions. Please relate

 

[crumpiteer]

lol well not really, I thought that was assumed

I was thinking about the p/e ratio. When you find a stock with low earnings and high value, than the earnings increase... You don't necessarily get all of the benefits... when this comes into play, the relative value to your own p/e drops. When the relation drops to a certain point, the stock dumps YOU?

at this point, you are right. value is relative.

the solution is to convince her that you are currently putting in efforts to not only increase your market value, but also your intrinsic value. In this case, you present yourself to her as a "forward contract", of which she's not buying into your current value, but the expected value in the future (a typical contract usually is 3 forward months ahead). In this case all your value is based on "forward terms", including your p/e:

Forward Contract:
A cash market transaction in which a seller agrees to deliver a specific cash commodity to a buyer at some point in the future.The price specified in a forward contract for a specific commodity. The forward price makes the forward contract have no value when the contract is written. However, if the value of the underlying commodity changes, the value of the forward contract becomes positive or negative, depending on the position held. Forwards are priced in a manner similar to futures. Like in the case of a futures contract, the first step in pricing a forward is to add the spot price to the cost of carry (interest forgone, convenience yield, storage costs and interest/dividend received on the underlying). Unlike a futures contract though, the price may also include a premium for counterparty credit risk, and the fact that there is not daily marking to market process to minimize default risk. If there is no allowance for these credit risks, then the forward price will equal the futures price

forward P/E
Price/earnings ratio, using earnings estimates for the next four quarters.

depending on the delivery date of the future contract, it lets your stall for time while you try to improve yourself.

That's why we are in this forum reading the DJ bible, trying to improve BOTH our intrinsic value & our market price..

 

[crumpiteer]

my brains are almost fried by all these financial wizardry, so i'm gonna call it a day & give further commentaries tomorrow...see ya~!!