Women Have ZERO Loyalty

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Yes, but doesn't that seem to be setting up average guys, ugly guys, or gargoyles, as you put it, for a toxic type of set-up? Not saying everyone would be like that, but if they are double-dipping then that means they are also not quality LTR/wife material because they can double-dip and you've got chads that would take them on. That makes the crossover category a sort of damaged goods. It's like saying, I might have a chance to date a hor for another chad if I really improve my looks, game, or whatever. Nobody likes to get sloppy seconds or date someone that's a hor for someone else but makes you jump through allot of hoops and humiliates you.
Girls fall into this category for two reasons:

1. they're a little less hot than the girls who get snatched up right away

2. they go to grad school for some mickey mouse master's degree that shuts them out of the dating market for several years, and they re-emerge in their mid 20's with less free time than ever, and fewer dating options than during their college years

3. the most significant problem is if they get addicted to their crossover power over-estimating how long they can remain players in this game (a relatively short 5 years between 25 and 30, after which point their looks drop off significantly)

Many more women are falling into this crossover category because of affirmative action programs favoring women into college, grad school and the workforce. This is especially true with feminism taking over science/math/engineering.

Also, more and more of these women make more money and have more career status than their male age peers as a result, making marriage less attractive. These women want to marry up in income and status, not just looks.

These women are becoming impossible to please and reducing marriage rates and destabilizing marriages that do hapen.

To respond to your points directly, your claims are largely correct, and increasingly so.
 
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Didn’t even read the first message. But this is the stupidest thread and a really sad outlook to have on women. They probably won’t be loyal to you because you already view them the way you do. Many men out their are disloyal also. Knife cuts both ways.
BluepillBoy defending how noble and moral women are now. Yeah, you don't have the stomach for redpill. Keep livin' that life of delusion.

Oh wait, you're just trolling again haha.
 

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BluepillBoy defending how noble and moral women are now. Yeah, you don't have the stomach for redpill. Keep livin' that life of delusion.

Oh wait, you're just trolling again haha.
If the definition of red pill is being a butthurt wimp for the the rest of my life, then I’d refuse to swallow; but that’s probably your favourite thing to do with your boyfriend right?
The only person that will stay loyal to you is your man who you met at ‘The Pumpjack’ last fall over a hot cider. Because men are the only loyal creatures on the planet; right.

Take the longtail out between your legs, sissy boy and be willing to fall. But you wouldn’t be able to get back up. Because it’s easier to be covered in cheetoh dust in your moms basement complaining women suck..
 

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If the definition of red pill is being a butthurt wimp for the the rest of my life, then I’d refuse to swallow; but that’s probably your favourite thing to do with your boyfriend right?
The only person that will stay loyal to you is your man who you met at ‘The Pumpjack’ last fall over a hot cider. Because men are the only loyal creatures on the planet; right.

Take the longtail out between your legs, sissy boy and be willing to fall. But you wouldn’t be able to get back up. Because it’s easier to be covered in cheetoh dust in your moms basement complaining women suck..
LMAO, let the butthurt flow faggot.

We all look forward to more of your hilarious incoherent drivel from our resident bipolar, 30+, internet addict. :)
 

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@longtail are you urbanyst or NN? Now you’re writing like Urbanyst.

Yes you are correct with relation to SMV currency. However, SMV is not looks alone. SMV is all STATUS, with looks being one form of status.

Take an ugly guy and position him in charge of a club, and he now has club 10s vying for him. Take him out of the club and he loses his SMV currency.

My point above was not that confidence (which is also an indirect form of status) beats SMV, but rather maximizes one’s chances with the SMV he already has.
Guys who aren't good looking have no idea how much pull guys who ARE good looking have.

You're just kidding yourself. As I've said before, the blue pill is very comfortable, but false.
 

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Yes but you have no choice if you're a male 7, that's your market.
With choices like that it's better to just remain single. This is why you have groups like MGTOW. The only confusion is whether this type of logic is taking a direction of "incel" or MGTOW. The MGTOW camp would say that the "incel" category is an illusion because if you are describing something that fits 70-80% of guys, and that you are making a choice not to settle for damage goods or scraps and you are a 7 guy, then you are not really incel but MGTOW. You are making a rational choice based on the market and you are not seeing any value for the goods. Nobody can force anyone to buy if the goods don't have value to the buyer at the price that its asking. Also, if something describes a large enough amount of guys, then incel loses validity as a special category because there is simply too much people that fit that category, and you can't even envy guys who have someone if they are subjected to humiliating or degrading terms for being in a relationship. It's just another part of the same coin. Some people don't want to buy into a bad deal, others are too desperate that any deal is better than none at all even if its a bad one. But either way a choice is involved and I don't think being a single person is a true incel with that level of an option as they are both hard choices.
 
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Here we go again

Men are no different, we are not loyal either lol almost every guy I know cheats on there gf......

You guys seriously think it's just women and men are just so loyal lol as a man I can honestly say, that's not true, it's not a man/woman thing, it's a people thing.

Most people are not loyal.
I dont think it boils down to loyalty as much as it does boredom/excitement of experiencing something new.

You could be dating or marriwd to a person and have zero intent of leaving them and be generally happy with them but still want to fvck other people.
 

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I dont think it boils down to loyalty as much as it does boredom/excitement of experiencing something new.

You could be dating or marriwd to a person and have zero intent of leaving them and be generally happy with them but still want to fvck other people.
Yea but most folks cant control getting attached to the new sex partner after half a dozen sessions. Their feelings for the actual spouse will subside and itll be a terrible deal for the spouse.
 

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You could be dating or marriwd to a person and have zero intent of leaving them and be generally happy with them but still want to fvck other people.
I know, try getting the Guys on this site to understand this
 

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Yea but most folks cant control getting attached to the new sex partner after half a dozen sessions. Their feelings for the actual spouse will subside and itll be a terrible deal for the spouse.
That's because they stop having sex with their normal partner...
 

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That's because they stop having sex with their normal partner...
I know. They get emotional distance from the partner. Often the partner starts to annoy them after they bonded to the new. Often theie sexual desire will tank for the partner.
 

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I know. They get emotional distance from the partner. Often the partner starts to annoy them after they bonded to the new. Often theie sexual desire will tank for the partner.
When you start getting no sex from your partner, you slow or cut off contact and rotate to another woman. Woman, these days, are good for three things.

1) Procreation
2) Sex
3) Companionship

I'm not looking to be friends with them, just fvck em. If any man is, then they will be hurt and are lost in the dating game.
 

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With choices like that it's better to just remain single. This is why you have groups like MGTOW. The only confusion is whether this type of logic is taking a direction of "incel" or MGTOW. The MGTOW camp would say that the "incel" category is an illusion because if you are describing something that fits 70-80% of guys, and that you are making a choice not to settle for damage goods or scraps and you are a 7 guy, then you are not really incel but MGTOW. You are making a rational choice based on the market and you are not seeing any value for the goods. Nobody can force anyone to buy if the goods don't have value to the buyer at the price that its asking. Also, if something describes a large enough amount of guys, then incel loses validity as a special category because there is simply too much people that fit that category, and you can't even envy guys who have someone if they are subjected to humiliating or degrading terms for being in a relationship. It's just another part of the same coin. Some people don't want to buy into a bad deal, others are too desperate that any deal is better than none at all even if its a bad one. But either way a choice is involved and I don't think being a single person is a true incel with that level of an option as they are both hard choices.
A brief view of the numbers:

At least 1/3 of all young adults will get at least some education at a 4 year public university. Half will be enrolled in some 4 year college or univ public or private. Most of these guys are relatively intelligent (average or above), in better health than average, and generally from middle class or wealthier families. In years past, these groups made up the bulk of the middle and leadership class. It is these men who have the best chances of landing a desirable mate: girlfriends and wives.

Below that, life prospects are significantly more uncertain: another third of men will also enroll in some sort of trade school or 2 year school. Maybe 10-20% will not graduate from high school or not attend college. Their life prospects are the worst although ironically it is these lower economic classes which reproduce at the highest rate.

Having said that, in retrospect, an astonishing percentage of my college mates went without girlriends at all. Same for a significant percentage of women. This means a very meaningful but unknown percentage of young adults 18-23 are largely sexless. Traditional girlfriend/boyfriend relationships were relatively rare. A lot of very hot gals never had a boyfriend. It was fvcking astonishing now that I think back about it.

Certain cliques were more sexually active and successful: athletes and greeks and certain cliques that formed around clubs, sports or even high school alma mater which had large enrollments. Otherwise, the independents largely scattered to the wind after class without clear cut channels for meeting a mate.

I don't think it's an exaggeration that the typical person has no more than single digit sex partners as young adults prior to marriage. This seems to conform to what I saw in college. It also seems to reflect the reality of post-college younger adults. For example, on Halloween weekend I met a lot of people who say that they had not gone out on the weekend the entire year. This was their first and only night out.

This notion that people are fcking all over the place post women's lib and post sexual revolution has not materialized at all. If anything, it's the exact opposite: men's prospects for sex, dating and marriage have largely collapsed. Incel and MGTOW are a real thing.

Women don't need men anymore to survive financially and a significant minority of women make more money their male age peers.

A significant percentage of men are being reduced to brown nosers, weasels, beggars, low status players in the dating market. A significant percentage of men are shut out almost completely.

The only thing that has kept western societies from total revolution is PORNOGRAPHY.
 

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When you start getting no sex from your partner, you slow or cut off contact and rotate to another woman. Woman, these days, are good for three things.

1) Procreation
2) Sex
3) Companionship

I'm not looking to be friends with them, just fvck em. If any man is, then they will be hurt and are lost in the dating game.
A nice idea in theory. I'd say this is difficult to impossible for at least 50% of men. Another 20-30% would find this strategy doable but challenging. Perhaps only 20% of men could easily adopt this strategy if easing the current gal out and replacing her within a short period of time.

"Oh look my Mercedes S Class' transmission is shot, let's just go down and buy that Hummer we've been thinking about in cash this weekend." No. Nice idea. Almost no one can do that. Some can, maybe 1% but 99% can't.

If you are looking to replace your current woman with a HOT woman, add to the level of difficulty, and the percentage drops further.
 

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A nice idea in theory. I'd say this is difficult to impossible for at least 50% of men. Another 20-30% would find this strategy doable but challenging. Perhaps only 20% of men could easily adopt this strategy if easing the current gal out and replacing her within a short period of time.

"Oh look my Mercedes S Class' transmission is shot, let's just go down and buy that Hummer we've been thinking about in cash this weekend." No. Nice idea. Almost no one can do that. Some can, maybe 1% but 99% can't.

If you are looking to replace your current woman with a HOT woman, add to the level of difficulty, and the percentage drops further.
Bro, stick around. Read the threads here and you'll get over your hump and fear of women. It's really not that hard once you SGAF. Yea, at the beginning, it's hard, but after you do it a few times it becomes second nature. Never allow the woman to control the relationship. Eventually, men who act like you described switch from a beta in waiting to a cuck in waiting.

As for your Mercedes S Class to a Hummer? Three problems. One, the majority of women rather have the S-Class than a Hummer. Two, Hummers haven't been made for nine years. Three, doubtful anyone would drop 80k large in cash for a Hummer back in 2010 (last model year). Unwise idea to pay cash for a car back then when they were offering 1% - 2% financing anyway. I know this because most people weren't buying them anymore due to the recession. Wiki has the production levels if you'd care to review.
 

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Bro, stick around. Read the threads here and you'll get over your hump and fear of women. It's really not that hard once you SGAF. Yea, at the beginning, it's hard, but after you do it a few times it becomes second nature. Never allow the woman to control the relationship. Eventually, men who act like you described switch from a beta in waiting to a cuck in waiting.

As for your Mercedes S Class to a Hummer? Three problems. One, the majority of women rather have the S-Class than a Hummer. Two, Hummers haven't been made for nine years. Three, doubtful anyone would drop 80k large in cash for a Hummer back in 2010 (last model year). Unwise idea to pay cash for a car back then when they were offering 1% - 2% financing anyway. I know this because most people weren't buying them anymore due to the recession. Wiki has the production levels if you'd care to review.
For your sake, I really hope your psychiatric meds kick in. I'm sure there are plenty of practitioners who can help you out with prescriptions for your multiple mental illnesses. And it's not anything to be ashamed of. Better to acknowledge it and get treatment.

Your main problem right now is your ADHD. You ramble, are incoherent, and can't even recall what the topic was that you were responding to. Either that or your brain is fried from internet addiction and too much weed and alcohol. Lay off all three for now, get yourself cleaned up and see if you can start up a normal life for yourself. It's not too late. Clap clap. Giddyup soldier!
 
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Only the weak men here blame, Sazc. I and others shame those men as it should be an insult to one’s manhood to point outward screaming “victim” when the issue lies inward.
This is exactly what some of us are doing. We are even sicker of reading the trash. There are a couple that continually perpetuate it.
It’s all inside the man. He’s doing to himself.
 

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For your sake, I really hope your psychiatric meds kick in. I'm sure there are plenty of practitioners who can help you out with prescriptions for your multiple mental illnesses. And it's not anything to be ashamed of. Better to acknowledge it and get treatment.

Your main problem right now is your ADHD. You ramble, are incoherent, and can't even recall what the topic was that you were responding to. Either that or your brain is fried from internet addiction and too much weed and alcohol. Lay off all three for now, get yourself cleaned up and see if you can start up a normal life for yourself. It's not too late. Clap clap. Giddyup soldier!

Whatever you say bro.
 
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